In the above video, Eve Nunez, candidate for LD 12 Senate, is characterized as opposing SB 1070.Â She claims she’s against illegal immigration and that she believes in securing the border. Then she says at 4:22, “[w]e need to treat the immigrants that are here humanely.” She also says that Leviticus 19:33-34 directs that, “[w]e should treat immigrants as we treat our own.”
A point of semantics, but an important point none the less: “Immigrants” are here legally and if an individual is in the U.S. illegally, they are an “illegal alien.” If one believed in deconstruction, the subtext of Ms. Nunez’s quotes is that she believes illegal aliens are legal immigrants. Do the quotes above sound like statements from someone who believes in secured borders and stopping the flow of illegal aliens into the U.S.?
I don’t see how, under SB 1070, law enforcement officers are being inhumane by asking if someone is here illegally if they have no ID AFTER the individual has been stopped for some unrelated offense.
The Left has criticized the U.S. for sending mixed messages, for claiming it wants to stop the flow of illegal, yet it offers benefits at taxpayer expense to illegal aliens. By asserting that the U.S. should coddle illegal aliens, Ms. Nunez is sending those mixed signals. One could conclude that Ms. Nunez’s quotes are exactly what the Left wants to hear: that the mixed signals will continue and the flow of illegal aliens will continue unabated. One could conclude that Ms. Nunez is actually sympathetic to the Left’s hopes.
Ms. Nunez tries to use the Bible to shame citizens into not supporting the enforcement of immigration laws. I ask Ms. Nunez and illegal aliens, “What would Jesus Christ do?” Would Jesus break the laws of a neighboring country and enter illegally? Would Jesus pay a criminal a large sum of money to smuggle him into a foreign country? Would Jesus be a mule for a drug cartel? Would Jesus be unwise and allow coyotes to hold him hostage for ransom? Would Jesus associate with individuals known to be rapists or would he show them the error of their ways? Would Jesus remain in a country illegally? Would Jesus work under the table in contravention of U.S. labor laws? If the law required a work permit, would he work without one? Would Jesus lie to get a drivers’ license? Would Jesus drive without a drivers’ license? Would Jesus acquire a fake ID or Social Security card? If Jesus were going to pay taxes on his illegal labor, would he illegally acquire and use the Social Security number of another or a deceased individual? Would Jesus use an emergency room at U.S. taxpayer expense? Ms. Nunez, is it humane for illegal aliens to cost Arizonans $2 billion a year or are illegal aliens doing economic violence to the taxpayers? Would Jesus sneak his pregnant wife across the border so that his child would be born a U.S. citizen? Would Jesus, as an illegal alien, send his children to public schools at taxpayer expense? Would Jesus loiter on private property hoping to get a job? Would Jesus submit fake documents to an employer to illegally obtain work? I think everyone can see that every illegal alien breaks multiple laws and it is not Christ-like activity. In fact, Jesus Christ, in the New Testament, tells us to, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” I think most believers and scholars would agree that the admonition applies to more than just taxes. I’m sure most believers and Bible scholars would agree that being law abiding is the Christian thing to do. Illegal aliens simply aren’t law abiding, yet I don’t see Ms. Nunez asking illegals to return home like Jesus Christ would do. Instead, I hear Ms. Nunez, in contravention of what Jesus Christ would do, saying, “Hey, make illegal aliens comfortable so that not only are more illegal aliens encouraged to come to the U.S., but those already here have no incentive to return home.” In essence, Ms. Nunez is urging us to encourage illegal aliens to remain in the U.S. and continue to break laws.
Let’s also not forget the “Golden Rule”: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Does anyone believe illegal aliens in the U.S. would have their countries invaded by illegal aliens from other countries? Would illegal aliens in the U.S. welcome others to come into their country and break laws repeatedly? Would illegal aliens in the U.S. have others come into their home countries and impose billions of dollars in costs to the government and ultimately them as taxpayers? The truth is that illegal aliens are not doing unto U.S. citizens as they would have others do unto them in their home countries. Would Jesus Christ approve? One could argue that Jesus would stay home and try to change things from within in his home country before illegally seeking opportunity in a foreign country, continuously breaking laws in a foreign land, and leeching off foreign taxpayers.
In the end, Ms. Nunez selectively quotes the Bible to support her position. That is not Biblical. It’s also an example of the trouble with allowing lay worshipers to call themselves “Reverend.”
LD 12, you have a choice in the Senate race. Please, make a wise choice at the ballot box on August 24th.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,’Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers!”
Its amusing to read people who clearly have zero understanding of the narrative of the New Testament claim Jesus would ‘do this’ or ‘do that’ in following laws. While there are several takes on what happened to Jesus in the four Gospels, one thing that is very clear is that he was crucified for BREAKING THE LAW..
We should treat all illegal immigrants humanely as we arrest them and send them back to their country of origin.
What we need is Sheriff Joe to set up a detention facility for those arrested for immigration violations similar to his current jail. The violators need to spend 60 to 90 days as a penalty then shipped back. This revolving door policy is ludicrous.
I know I said I’d just ignore Todd’s thoroughly idiotic posts, and I know ad hominem attacks don’t add much to a debate, but his statements are just so outrageously stupid that I can’t resist responding in this case. Also, he engaged in such attacks when he claimed Maltorus had “zero understanding” of the New Testament.
The Sanhedrin charged Jesus with heresy, but since he was the Son of God, it wasn’t heresy. The Sanhedrin forced Pontius Pilate to crucify Jesus, but he did so to keep the mob quiet.
So, since the Sanhedrin falsely accused him of heresy, and Pilate executed Christ to keep the mob quiet, he was NOT killed for “breaking the law,” he was killed because it was God’s plan.
I’m sure Todd is so dumb he has NO CLUE he’s stupid, ignorance is bliss after all, but that he inflicts his stupidity on the rest of us drags our intellects down.
I read Todd’s “Jesus got what he deserved” comment several times and can’t make out the logic in it. Jesus was innocent of his accused crimes and was wrongfully crucified.
ILLEGAL aliens have broken a large number of laws and deserve their punishment.
Not sure how anyone can seriously equate the two. Although I’m sure Eve Nunez and Todd will try.
Show me where in the new testament Jesus Christ would condone breaking up families and sending them out of your country because they came here for a better life and work? Where? Are you kidding me?
You think most Christians would condone deporting a father, mother, or both of their US citizen children? Even deporting the aunt or uncle of family members.
Supporters of this law also condone punishing a teenage child who knowingly drives their parents to the store…maybe even if they are just riding with them.
Finally, no matter how much it says racial profiling is illegal, how on earth do you establish reasonable suspicion that someone is here illegally without raise or just some damned guess?
We already deport those who are hear illegally and who comitt a crime. But to do this for any old traffic stop…is a wide wide wide net.
Yeah, the undocumented kids you wish to deport from our local high schools is just plain Christian.
Go to church and pray for your own soul.
Yes…and Jesus Christ was brutally punished for breaking a barbaric and unjust law.
I think this law is barbaric and unjust as well.
Thank god a large portion of our citizens and police think so too.
Jesus broke no laws of the land. We have the Governor, Pontius Pilate’s testimony on this.
“Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, and said to them, “You have brought to me this man as one who was inciting the people to ebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him. Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death…”
“For the third time, he spoke to them, ‘Why? WHat crime has he committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty.”
“Do not have anything to do with that innocent man for I have suffered greatly in a dream because of him.” Matthew 27:19
Pilate’s historic failure was that he failed to uphold Roman LAW: legal protection of the innocent, for he was afraid of the mob. He CAVED and let a partisan MOB scare him off his lawful DUTY and as a result an innocent man was executed.
There are numerous lessons to be learned in the account of the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus, including the failure of government officials to do their jobs, and the folly of caving to terrorizing and threats.
May 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Go to church and pray for your own soul.
It’s worse than that. WE have to go to church to pray for YOUR soul, even though you totally misrepresent the law, and purposely ignore the responsibility of the parents who broke the law for their own family circumstances. You want to blame others who had NOTHING to do with it, and oimniously insinuate anyone who disagrees with you is going to hell.
So, exactly what are we supposed to pray for at this “church” you invoke? ANd what god do you invoke that supports that nonsense?
It’s not a sin to insist people follow the laws on the books.
Illegals did not have to break the law to enter this country. We have an immigration process. They CHOSE to go what they THOUGHT and were TOLD byt enablers was an EASY ROUTE, being squatters. They are finding out that it’s not.
And it remains a fact that illegals are still treated better by Americans than ANY other country ON THE PLANET, so until it gets as bad as say, the Mauritanian mass expulsion of the Senegalese, we have nothing to be ashamed of in this very orderly process.
All these “so-concerned” “I care” social justice lawyers and priests could have spent the last three decades working on improving our immigration process or establishing offices to help illegals become LEGALS correctly, but they DIDN’T. Why NOT?
Go yell at them for the potential broken families, because to a Christian, it reeks of using people for political expediency and political agendas, which is incredibly cruel.
ANd what kind of family would leave here and leave their children behind? Most “anchor babies” we know of have dual citizenship – USA and their parents’ home nation.
She is part of Somos Republicans, fully endorsed by John McCain, Jeff Flake, and the rest of the CoC usual suspects. Read their website and see for yourself what she stands for:
“I know I said Iâ€™d just ignore Toddâ€™s thoroughly idiotic posts, and I know ad hominem attacks donâ€™t add much to a debate, ”
Besides ad hominem attacks – what else do you post here?
Anyway, the Gospels are inconsistent on who or even if he was tried, but you seem to have constructed your own little simple narrative. I guess that is one way to deal with the contradictions. You also seem to have adopted the most anti-Semitic reading in which Pilate is ‘forced’ to execute Jesus by the Jews.
Anyway, Jesus is much more accurately said to be a law-breaker than a law-follower. In the scriptures there are numerous laws Jesus breaks -and, based on which telling, was accused of working on the Sabbath and also driving money-changers or bird sellers, from the temple. OF course Jesus also broke numerous other Jewish laws as well.
I am not the one looking for justification of actions from the Bible, but the post above is arguing that Jesus would have supported current immigration law. I find that contention to be without basis and the argument behind it absurd.
In particular I would point to this – ” Iâ€™m sure most believers and Bible scholars would agree that being law abiding is the Christian thing to do. ” Really? because most of the early Christian martyrs were killed for not following the law that required display of piety to the Roman Emperor and Gods as well as refusing other laws. Early Christians were law breakers, not law followers.
And no, Westward Ho, this is not an argument that ‘they got what they deserved.’ It is simply pointing out that the following of a law is neither Christian nor un-Christian.
You wrote, “Would Jesus sneak his pregnant wife across the border so that his child would be born a U.S. citizen?”
No, but Joseph did sneak his wife, Mary, and his son, Jesus, into Egypt. See The Gospel of St. Matthew, chapter 2. I guess Jesus was an illegal alien for awhile.
Actually, what is more pertinent in the New Testament is that every one of us has broken the Law and as a result deserve death. It’s very black and white. What would Jesus do with lawbreakers and criminals like us. â€œBut Jesus was saying, â€œFather, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.â€ And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves. â€ (Luke 23:34)
What would Jesus do with a thief dying on a cross (Lk 23:43)? What would Jesus do with a woman caught in adultery (Jn 8:11)? What would Jesus do with a sick man on the Sabbath (Lk 14:4-5)? What would Jesus do with an unclean woman who broke the law by entering the crowd and touched His robe (Mk 5:34)? Why would Jesus tell the story of the good Samaritan (Lk 10:36-37)? Why did Jesus tell that rich young ruler to sell everything (Lk 10:20-21)? Why did Jesus allow his disciples harvest wheat and eat on the Sabbath (Matt 12:7)? And what would Jesus do with a “dog” begging bread under the table (Matt 15:25-28)?
Does any of this mean Jesus was anti-nomial(anti-Law) – not even. â€œâ€œDo not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. â€ (Matthew 5:17, NASB95) – that’s the prelude to the sermon on the mount. Probably a good idea to spend a little time there before making any claims about what Jesus would or wouldn’t do with respect to the Law.
Getting back to fixing our broken immigration system – if you really want a thorough analysis and biblical perspective of the issue: http://erlc.com/article/a-white-paper-principles-for-just-immigration-reform/
We should treat them as subhuman and vote for JD.
“So he got up and took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod.”
Where does it say they were in Egypt illegally?
They snuck OUT of Judeah so Herod couldn’t kill the baby to lay low in Egypt, ie quietly, discreetly so Herod wouldn’t follow them for the highly illegal purpose of murder. But, suddenly, 2,000 years later, during which NO ONE deduced anything of the sort, a political partisan with an agenda just arbitrarily decides they were “illegal.”
“Early Christians were law breakers, not law followers.”
ANother fast and loose self-serving argument.
They were and ARE commanded to “OBEY THE AUTHORITIES.”
That means, “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” – ie. observe the worldly affairs of men and society : taxes, laws, regulations.
The persecution was politically motivated to find a scapegoat for acts they didn’t do, and the demand that they perform a pagan loyalty oath to prove their loyal citizenship when they had been responsible citizens was a political entrapment. They would have had to deny their God to perform that act.
Like the entrapment of the prophet Daniel by the Babylonian court schemers, they had no legal grounds whatsoever to accuse him of anything, so they concocted a fraud of a law specifically designed so that Daniel would break it, the CHristians were targeted by the political class which came up with a law that was meant to force CHristians to deny their faith or be killed.
killed by being torn apart by lions, leopards, gored to death by wild bulls, slashed to pieces by gladiators, used as human torches by Nero for his garden parties.
And to hear the whining and whinging and caterwaulering and words of “brutal” and “barbarbic” and “unfair” and “inhumane” and “meanies” and “racists” from the illegal immigrant apologists today for the horror of POSSIBLY packing up the SUV, the mini-van, the sedan and driving off into the sunset on the world’s best highways to be in a matter of hours in 5 other states OR Mexico is absolutely pathetic.
Never heard such crybabies.
May 16th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
We should treat them as subhuman
You are the bigot.
I’m treating them as EQUALS to ME. I do not expect or demand ANYTHING of them that I have not done myself and expect of myself, that I practice and instruct my own children to be diligent about.
You treat illegals as inferior, unable to adhere to high standards that everyone else has to maintain.
The “soft bigotry of low expectations.”
Even though I am largely opposed to SB1070 I can see that the accusation of it forcing the break up of families to be a crock.
Our two children were born to us abroad. If for whatever reason we had been unable to renew our visas and needed to leave our host country, we would have BROUGHT OUR (young) CHILDREN WITH US! Now, if they had been of high-school age at the time, we certainly would have certainly considered leaving them in the care of trusted friends so that they could finish their education there. In either case the decision and responsibility would have been ours.
A government decision to refuse to renew a visa (or to deport) does not _force_ a family breakup — it forces the family to make a difficult (and perhaps costly) decision.
How about treating Arizona citizens with a little humanity and humaneness?
Arizonans are being called “racist” “bigots” “mean” and are now being subjected to hysterical economic boycotts based on gross stereotyping, rumor and hysteria. So far, the demands for dignity and sympathy, compassion and understanding are a one-way street.
It’s useful, though, for it exposes the lie in all this.
Don’t waste your time trying to debate using logic and reason with todd as that presumes a level of intelligence and wit lacking in liberals. You would as well argue with an ass (which explains the symbol for the Democratic Party).
Stephen Kohut Says:
May 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Donâ€™t waste your time trying to debate
Not to worry. I don’t trouble my mind with things like trying to make Todd a better man. The points raised are typical boilerplate, so it’s useful to provide the general readership the facts, and in my case specifically to provide a new perspective – sort of freshen the same old up a bit.
For example, where we’ve been, the “Browns” were the slave owners of the “Blacks” and the “Whites” were the abolitionists. And that is not an exageration and “slavery” is precisely the word, not a metaphor or hyperbole.
So, the desperate snarks that people like me who oppose illegality somehow can’t handle the concept of this curious category of “Brown People” fall flat, to put it mildly.
Not even speaking the same language, even though all the words are in English.
Stephen Kohut and wanumba – what has become clear to me is both of you are uncomfortable engaging ideas that are unfamiliar to you and aren’t cardboard cut-outs. This is evidenced by the repeated attempt to argue with me about things I have never said, such as what wanumba brings up in #20, which is truly bizarre.
No way. Not letting you get away with that one. Forces them to make a costly decision of taking there kids to a country that dont even know because their parents …or one parent…came here illegally. By damned it will break up families…and if not…it will punish children for the sins of their parents.
There is nothing humane about that nothing. You all dont give a crap. And guess what, it is piling on. This whole state piles on and on and on people who are here for a better life. And for what, so you can continue to pay some of the lowest taxes in the country?
There are better ways that screaming illegal is illegal. Not all laws are enforced and this one was not originally enforced for the reasons I am talking about.
Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million because of what I am talking about. The f’ing hero of this blog. Ronald Reagan.
May 17th, 2010 at 9:06 am
such as what wanumba brings up in #20, which is truly bizarre.
Whining again. That’s a function of your lack of worldly knowledge. If you knew more, you wouldn’t be surprised. And if you weren’t so scared of new information, you’d make the effort to improve your mind by learning more about such things, so the problem is with YOU, not me. I spoke the truth, you can bank on it. You can repeat that, people will react, “No way!” and you will be vindicated when they come back later and say, I didn’t think it was possible, but it’s true.”
Hiding from what you will encounter in the world outside your fragile little bubble of willfull ignorance isn’t reasonable behavior, is it? And I can sleep peacefully, because I didn’t lead you astray. It is not my fault you are so immersed in propaganda you can’t recognize truth.
It’s willfull ignorance, because even without any traveling, it is easy to find corroborating info off the internet, and for the cost of a hot off the press X-BOX a person could have spent a week or two or more visiting another country, even as a tourist or student exchange.
May 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
No way. Not letting you get away with that one. Forces them to make a costly decision of taking there kids to a country that dont even know because their parents â€¦or one parentâ€¦came here illegally. By damned it will break up familiesâ€¦and if notâ€¦it will punish children for the sins of their parents.
There is nothing humane about that nothing.
SO save your bile and accusations and hate for the parents who made that decision.
If you don’t think they should be hated for their short-sightedness, that they are only human, then one what basis do you justify trasnferring ANY anger or hatred against people who had NOTHING to do with it?
I would NEVER set my family up to be in such a precarious position. I would never encourage anyone to take that route, KNOWING the problems it creates, ESPECIALLY for chidlren.
Did you? IS that why you are so angry? That you gambled and are pissed you have to face consequences for choices?
THat’s the behavior of an immature child not an adult. I took my kids to several countries were they “racially” were NOTICEABLY distinct from the locals they “didn’t know” with languages they didn’t speak and they did just FINE.
SO, I happen to KNOW for a FACT it is manageable. Stop whining and look at the benefits – multilingual (colleges LOVE that) internationally savvy. Always negative, never considering the opportunities.
I’ve actually traveled quite a bit outside the US and don’t own an xbox or any other video game console, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Again, what does #20 have anything to do with anything I have ever written here?
Several of the points don’t refer to anything you said at all, but to other points promoted in other posts. It gets tiresome to reply line by line, so I often bundle the discussion points from several posters, especially if they are of the same theme, and the nature of fast posting makes for perhaps too much shorthand so those delineations aren’t always obvious.
Sorry for the confusion.
“THatâ€™s the behavior of an immature child not an adult. I took my kids to several countries were they â€œraciallyâ€ were NOTICEABLY distinct from the locals they â€œdidnâ€™t knowâ€ with languages they didnâ€™t speak and they did just FINE.”
Absolutely shocking. You care nothing for others. All you care about is that you not have to pay a cent more in taxes. Your bravado does not make you a better man or woman, it makes you heartless.
The only thing that makes you any better than these people is that your momma chunked you out on US soil. Think about that.
â€œI tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.â€
– Jesus (John 10:1)
Heartless is a adult that does not consider the impact, the collateral damage, of their illegal actions on family members whether that action is illegal immigration, illegal drugs, murder, theft, physical abuse, and on and on. Responsibility and accountability stop with the person taking the illegal action that causes the damage.
May 17th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
â€œThatâ€™s the behavior of an immature child not an adult. I took my kids to several countries were they â€œraciallyâ€ were NOTICEABLY distinct from the locals they â€œdidnâ€™t knowâ€ with languages they didnâ€™t speak and they did just FINE.â€
Absolutely shocking. You care nothing for others.
Shocking? You don’t know what the word means. My profession has been humanitarian aid, particularly food aid, emergency food aid and includes nutrition rehabilitation of severely malnourished children, specifically kwashiorkor and marasmus. That would be the worst cases of starvation.
I have to mention it, to provide a reality check to your hysterically nasty and uniformed bigoted accusations.
What do you do to show YOU care for others?
All you’ve done so far is to tell people like me, and there are a lot of Americans out there who are doing work you can’t imagine, in conditions that would scare you, that we’re going to hell.
Have YOU held an emaciated child in your arms, a toddler of three with the sunken face of an old man? Have you stood in the 125 degree heat of the desert, looking at 10,000 beaten and ruined people sitting on a piece of dirt under the burning sun – LEGALS and ILLEGALS and wondered how to get a functioning water delivery and distribution system to them in the next two hours FLAT or they will start dying on you? And when that’s solved, how to get food to them? Sanitation?
Illegals here in AZ are being given a VERY reasonable and orderly exit door. I KNOW what an unreasonable, brutal and chaotic exit looks like. It’s terrible, especially for children, babies and their mothers. This law, 1070 isn’t brutal or barbaric or nasty or unhumane or racist, that’s a FACT.
You dont’ show much of how you “care for others” by being rude and calling people purposely damaging names like “racist.”
You are displaying nothing better than an immature brat who is throwing a temper tantum because you want not little household rules bent or broken for your selfish interests, but NATIONAL LAWS.
Maybe you should stop wailing and start taking notes – if you were actually sincere that is. You’d see quick I could be a big help, instead of stereotyping me and others like me as some sort of enemy.
I don’t appreciate the ad hominem attack. Please address the argument itself.
Ironically, I join you in opposing SB1070. I am also a conservative in favor of some sort of comprehensive immigration reform, a modified DREAM act, and securing both borders and all airports. Thus I am subject to opposition by both side of this argument. So, rather than engage the arguments of someone who is able to see merit in both sides of this debate, you attack. Is this how you show tolerance of differing opinions.
BTW, as for not caring, like wanumba (whom I do not know) I too was living abroad engaged in humanitarian work. Imputing motives is a risky business, especially if you do not know the person.
Yes, the impact of immigration enforcement will, in many cases, result in families being broken up. That is tragic. But the decision to break up the family will, in most cases, be made by the parents as a consequence of the enforcement action. That is my point.
Of course, if the spouses are citizens of different countries with mutually exclusive immigration policies, then the immigration enforcement would indeed break up the couple and the family. That I will grant.
Don’t even DARE of accusing me of being anti-semitic. I went to a Jewish law school in New York. I wouldn’t have survived a minute in that law school if I hated Jews. I’m also a fan of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews (wish I were rich enough to contribute). I also sure as heck take Israel’s side in their conflict against radical Muslims that only care to see every single Jew killed. You don’t know me, you dumb child, and every word you utter drips utter stupidity.
I didn’t call you anti-semitic, I said your reading of the crucifixion of Jesus relied on the most anti-semitic version. This is backed up by the bloody history of Christians blaming Jews for Jesus’ death. What law school you went to hardly changes that nor does your level of claimed indignation.
I came across a good debatin website that allows you to post comment and cast votes either for or against the new immigration law of arizona without prior registration. I really recommend it: http://www.civiltalks.com
I find this posting to be pretty pretentious. Golden Rule? This author is guilty of the same accusation is he/she is accusing Rev. Eve Nunez of. Don’t try to manipulate Biblical verses to make a point. People here obviously don’t read the Bible. Matthew 22 says:
”Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the FIRST and GREATEST commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.
Love your neighbor as yourself. Yes. You read that right.
Also, how dare you call Eve Nunez a “lay worshiper”. Why don’t stick that forked tongue of yours back in your mouth and learn what this woman of God has done her whole life for the community?