Brewer to sign SB1070 this morning

Our sources indicate Governor Jan Brewer will sign SB 1070 this morning and release a statement around noon. Stay tuned.


Comments

  1. Thanks for the update guys!

    Long time no hear…

  2. Jon Altmann, PC, State Committeeman LD11 says

    My prediction: if Gov. Brewer vetos SB1070, she will lose the Republican primary.

    If Pres. Obama does not like SB1070, then immediately send Federal officers to the border to secure it – use the Natl Guard to do support roles to free up Federal officers.

    We need a Border Security Stimulus Plan. After all, GM just paid back the loan, so there’s some cash!

  3. I applaud the bill but will it do enough? That remains to be seen but I still feel we can do more for those who live along the border. Our government has failed us for so long on this issue and that will likely continue. This is a national security issue and should be treated as such. We cannot continue to stick a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

    I think we need to expand our Castle Law in Arizona to cover livestock and land as well as homes and automobiles. Those that live along the border should have the right under the law to protect their livestock from slaughter and their land from vandalism and destruction. It’s how they make their living and right now if they say boo loud enough they are sued by people who are not citizens of this country and are here illegally. ENOUGH.

    Tragically, we have already seen that those who come here illegally are willing to take life and they are willing to bring their drugs through certain corridors in Arizona with impunity. As American citizens, we should absolutely have the right to defend our lives, our livestock and our land and homes from foreign invaders.

    This is a national security issue and our government is failing us at every turn. It is past time for the state of Arizona to empower its citizens to protect themselves when the federal government refuses to. As a state, our budget is riddled with holes. We’ve spent more than we’ve brought in. We’d have to put a milkshake at McDonald’s on a layaway program. We cannot afford to send the National Guard to the border without bullets for their rifles just to get overrun by drug runners or without the capability to detain illegal crossers for very long. Their rules of engagement are ridiculous. Let’s actually do something that will make a difference and quit worrying about whose sensibilities we offend.

  4. Obama most definitely don’t like it:
    via DRUDGE link this morning:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281

    Noticed the msnbc choice of words: “Obama warned”

  5. ………….
    Jon Altmann, PC, State Committeeman LD11 Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 am

    We need a Border Security Stimulus Plan. After all, GM just paid back the loan, so there’s some cash
    ……………..

    I agree with your points, but a quibble with the last, today’s commentary coming out: GM didn’t pay back the loan, they used money from a TARP escrow account to put on a publicity SHOW that they paid back. It was the equivalent of, as the analyst said, “Paying your MASTERCARD with your VISA.” Lee Ioccoca they aren’t, though with their little PR this week, they were definitely trying to copy his big payback bailout announcement.

    The question had come to mind instantly when GM announced they had paid back ahead of time: “HOW?” NOBODY is buying cars.

    What should we expect with GM now run by Democrats? They don’t have any background in running businesses – just TAXING and UNION gutting them.

    So, we must look elsewhere for financing. Perhaps to some of those massage parlors that got stimulous funds.

  6. If this passes, it could seriously harm the GOP for a generation. The GOP will lose any chance at the Hispanic vote for about 20-50 years. The RNC knows this…and are helpless. This bill signing will catch prairie fire with other states doing the same…

    Last, I think this is going to have a serious impact on the traditional business base of the party. Look. Biz is already starting to question what the GOP can deliver for it. They are even behind the 1 cent sales tax increase (for what ever reason).

    Anyway, this is a wedge issue and I am not quite so certain that the GOP wins after this wedge goes into the log.

  7. I do not agree. I don’t believe that this will hurt the GOP. The political pundits have always said that the Hispanic vote will go to to he Democrats. However, I think they are smarter than that. People who have come here legally, and who have worked hard and are law abiding US citizens don’t want to reward people for breaking the law. They will vote for the person or party that enforces the law, and defends their freedom. And that is the GOP. (most of the time) 😉

  8. ……………
    Hispanic vote will go to to he Democrats. However, I think they are smarter than that. People who have come here legally, and who have worked hard and are law abiding US citizens don’t want to reward people for breaking the law.
    ………

    Hispanics are generally more conservative in values than the American culture is currently displaying. And if they are here to escape drug violence and corruption in Mexico, to seek a better life, then Rule of Law is very very very very important to them.

    Now, if all the Hispanics in the country voted, then it would split that vote, legal versus tolerating illegal status. But … illegal Hispanics as with all other illegals are not … supposed to … be voting …?

  9. 8. Excellent.

  10. According to Roger: “If this passes, it could seriously harm the GOP for a generation. The GOP will lose any chance at the Hispanic vote for about 20-50 years. The RNC knows this…and are helpless. This bill signing will catch prairie fire with other states doing the same…”

    Roger, with all respect, I disagree. We are assuming that all legal immigrants will continue to vote democrat. Like many other hard working immigrant families, with real education about issues, they often choose limited government. Why are the Cuban Americans often republican? They understand that protecting rights means keeping the government out of one’s life as essential.

    This is not about voting in the future– this is about right now, states rights, and once again, President Obama and his thugs threatening states.

    Maybe the bill is not perfect. Okay, well, go through the legal process and fight it, or vote against those you do not like. But the legislature deserves a governor who will support the majority: the legal citizens.

    Then, get conservative message clearer, and concise. I’m not good at that, but others are. Educate young to see that their rights are at risk. Do not assume that people cannot understand.

    Republicans must stop bowing to pressure and tolerating thugs. I for one, am done worrying what is politically correct and choose to state my view. Amnesty is a weasel stance by wimpy republicans looking at re-election and not what is best for this state. Weaseling is the real reason Republicans have lost their way and many of the loyal voters. Quit trying to please everybody as that is exactly what the left wants republicans to do! That is the tactic that puts republicans always on defense. Wake up! Geez. See you at the capitol as a real citizen.

    Thugs be damned.

    10th Amendment is the issue.

  11. Wanumba,

    what you say is true but time and time again they fail to show that at the ballot box.

    So its a nice talking point but in the end hispanics vote in high numbers for Dems. And I dont see this helping.

    Its like the Jewish population in the US, vote in HUGE numbers for Dems but older jewish voters and much of the jewish community is much further to the right on foreign policy and are even hawkish on issues. Yet it doesn’t sway them to vote for the GOP.

  12. Gayle,

    Cuban Americans are predominantly republican because we made an exception and let them in because we hated Castro, Cuba, and communism so much. We fought their govt. and at the same time allowed basically anyone who touched soil to stay. Muriel Boat lift? 175,000 came in in about a week.

    With all due respect, I was a republican once. I believed what you believed about minority voters…conservative, share our values, etc. But you cannot at the same time offer up what many perceive as a slap in the face to their families and justify a bill that will racially profile them.

    After Pete Wilson did his damage in California with strict strict laws, voters went the other way in droves.

    You all are seriously wrong. Seriously wrong. Bush got the highest percentage of votes because he worked with Hipanics, listened, learned and spoke in both Spanish and English and actually went out of his way to enjoy the cultural differences.

    The GOP will forever be viewed as the party that shut out and even attacked Hispanic Americans…by attacking their culture…heritage…and by not caring to look deeply at this problem and what effects it is going to have on legal and undocumented communities.

    I am so right about this. Bury your heads in the sand or stand up and just agree that you dont care.

  13. The GOP needs to bend a little…somehow…some way…or it will break.

  14. Gail and all,

    Take a look at this post on Sonoran Alliance. Read the angry and sometimes hateful rhetoric that republicans use on this issue. If it is not calling a person a “wetback”, it is a lesser calling of a human being an illegal.

  15. roger Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 am
    The GOP needs to bend a little…somehow…some way…or it will break
    ……

    How about the same thing about Democrats?
    It’s THEIR way and shut up, racists.

    Talk about brittle.

  16. ……………..
    “it is a lesser calling of a human being an illegal.”
    …..

    WHAT ARE you talking about?

    Since WHEN is a CORRECT LEGAL designation been “dehumanizing?”

    NO ONE CARES about LEGAL HISPANICS. WE are ONLY discussing ALL those people of 100 countries who are here without applying for PERMISSION from this nation to ENTER, to sojourn or to reside inside the boundries of this country.

    Unbelievable.

    Don’t YOU appreciate it when people knock at your door and wait for your permission to enter your house? You think it’s dehumanizing for YOU to refuse to allow entry of a stranger, who you don’t know at all, at your door?

    NO you don’t. Who cares what color they are. It’s YOUR house. Most people walk off, never to bother you again, but YOU would instantly call the police if that stranger breaks your window and starts crawling in.

    WHat a crock. Get a grip.

    “wetback” was pumped in by a “helpful” troll. It’s not the usual discourse found on this blog, day in day out, and you know it.

  17. http://azstarnet.com/article_708a2411-488b-5cf7-a653-d6211a0d1011.html

    Details what people think and are saying about the state. The Economist was the most shocking and Fred Barnes didn’t help.

    And Wanumba…be a little sensitive. If people take offense to a term, you might consider adjusting a little. This problem is so much more complex than this bill and the angry rhetoric attached to it gets you.

    It is no fun to be called a racist. I understand that. But it should also make you take notice. Listen. If you care whether you offend people and turn people off to your message, then you’d better adjust. If you don’t bend some, you will break.

    Arizona is looking like a laughing stock. And NOTHING…NOTHING is worse for business than that.

    Any of my Chamber friends on here? Acting all tough doesn’t mean you are tough. You just look stupid.

  18. Scott Zalaznik says

    I personally am NOT willing to be stopped, detained, arrested without evidence at the discretion of any police officer. It is an affront to common sense that those who claim to be defenders of Constitutional liberty would support much less propose this. No, the brown people who are here legally will NOT see the ‘justice’ and common sense of reducing their constitutional rights in the name of the greater good. You DO NOT give up some Constitutional rights in order to protect them. This idea that if you can do it and survive at election time – it must be right is foolishness.

    We seem to be clearly headed towards tyranny and it will be welcomed, even embraced it as long as the tyrant(s) marches in claiming to be a conservative patriot, defending the Constitution (or in reaction to the same). I cannot fathom the blind support people give to Obama and I am astonished to see the same ‘followership’ within the GOP. No analysis of the consequence of actions, only reactions.

    The ends DO NOT justify the means. Tyranny from the ‘right’ is no better than tyranny from the left. It is still tyranny. Just keep putting the pieces in place. I see no greater comfort in the America my children will inherit that this false ‘conservativism’ is appears bent on creating than in one the radical liberals seem bent on creating.

    In both cases individual rights will be trampled underfoot beneath their respective different versions of the ‘greater good’.

    Where can wisdom be found. Not in this bill. The GOP has relied far too long on folks like me not being able to stand what the Dem’s stand for and tolerating what seems to the lesser evil. I’m getting pretty sick of both.

    All those who idolize Reagan sure are failing seem intent to do the opposite of what he did – unite the ‘base’ and the ‘others’. Bills like this will have great success in driving a wedge rather than building a bridge. You can guess which of those camps I fall under.

    Lest anyone question my ‘conservativeness’ or motives – I have historically voted a straight Republican ticket. Not sure who I can vote for with a clear conscience anymore. I guarantee I wouldn’t vote for anyone supporting this bill any more than I would anyone supporting the Federal Healthcare (Abortion expansion) bill. GOP take note – Don’t think for a minute that I’m alone in this sentiment.

  19. Scott,

    Really, really well said. I was thinking the same thing. The party is moving in the direction of what most definitions of facism sound like. The worlds greatest dictators threw terms out like freedom and liberty while doing the exact opposite. I see the same happening again. I just can’t imagine how many good republicans have left the party over where this party his traveling.

  20. Just out of curiosity, if Governor Brewer signs the bill, are any of you more likely to vote for her?

    A lot of people are saying that if she vetoes the bill she will lose the Republican primary but I’m wondering if Republicans will ever be behind Brewer? No matter what she passes…?

  21. Wanumba…we don’t even call murderers “illegals”. We don’t call speeders illegals. We don’t call those who get DUI’s illegals. We say what they DO is illegal…but we don’t call THEM illegal.

    There is a rhetorical difference. Everyone will get all huffed about this but again, verbage and language is meaningful. It is why the GOP is getting so stiffed at their policies being called racist…after all.

  22. GOP Boomer Gal says

    Roger and Scott, The bill does not allow police to stop people on the street to check their ID>

    State Senator Frank Antenori explained it very well on MSNBC; if you are stopped for a valid reason. ie traffic violation and don’t have proper ID, that is when this law would kick in.

    It doesn’t say anything about white, brown, or black. It’s about illegally being in this country, no matter where you came from, be it the Middle East, China, Guatemala, or Canada.

  23. GOP Boomer Gal says

    Furthermore, have you seen some of the photos taken at the anti-1070 rally? One HUGE sign carried by marchers…”Abolish the Border”…..so Republicans are supposed to endorse the end of our country?

  24. roger Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Wanumba…we don’t even call murderers “illegals”. We don’t call speeders illegals. We don’t call those who get DUI’s illegals. We say what they DO is illegal…but we don’t call THEM illegal.

    There is a rhetorical difference
    ………

    We DO call them IllEGAL if they ARE illegal aliens in addition to the OTHER crime of murder. If they were pulled over for DUI and LO! it is discovered that they are not legally permitted to be in this country then they are “illegal” ALSO. TWO crimes. DO we have to say it the long way every time for knuckleheads to catch the drift? A murderer “who entered this country without properly going thru correct immigration procudures and approvals?” Can we shorten that to “illegal” and murderer without hysterics wailing we can ONLY be thinking of ONE thing? Is there any sense in having to articulate “He was a ‘legal’ murderer”?
    WHat’s the difference between an illegal Bulgarian murderer and an illegal Mexican murderer? BOTH shouldn’t have been in this country to do harm to our citizens. HOw about a LEGAL Bulgarian immigrant and a LEGAL Mexican immigrant who then murder while insaide this country? They are both murderers. Neither are illegals; THAT they did right, they can’t be charged with that offense.

    Every time someone says “illegal” YOU associate it ONLY with Central and SOuth AMericans. YOU are locally biased, and YOU are PROJECTING that BIAS onto people who don’t think in such NARROW terms, because YOU are carrying a bigoted belief.

    WHy don’t you try living for five minutes without the idea that citizens who want our borders secured are NOT racists, that “racism” is NOT the motivation.

    Try it. IF racism ISN’T it, then then … hmmm what is going on?

  25. …………..
    It is why the GOP is getting so stiffed at their policies being called racist…after all.
    ……….

    NO, it’s because the Democrats in lockstep cry “racist” every three minutes.

  26. Boomer Gal–

    You are only partly correct. The bill requires all law enforcement officers to check the status of anyone they have a “lawful contact” with and find there is “reasonable suspicion” to believe the person may not be in the country legally. That is not merely restricted to situations like traffic violations. Cops can stop you for a variety of reasons, whether you (the person being stopped) believe they are justified or not.

    What I wonder about, however, is what qualifies as “reasonable susicion” for police officers? What are those criteria? I have yet to be able to discern a standard that wouldn’t be primarily based on race, especially in a state like ours where there is little doubt that virtually all of the illegal immigrants are Hispanic.

  27. roger Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 am
    http://azstarnet.com/article_708a2411-488b-5cf7-a653-d6211a0d1011.html

    Details what people think and are saying about the state. The Economist was the most shocking
    ………..

    Europeans do not know what they are talking about. I have had to listen to their idiotic ill-informed drivel for DECADES.
    A Dane thinks the USA is the same size as Denmark, because he lectured us convinced that the massive floods of 1993 that covered much of the Midwest were because the USA should have built a dam. A dam. The Brits still tell Americans with great glee how they burned down the White House in the War of 1812, and do NOT know they were defeated.
    A Tanzanian doctor told us that he and his wife drove from Louisiana to Chicago and were ASTOUNDED at the FORESTS. From everything they’d read in the European press, America had no more trees from deforestation.
    WE had our dear British and Indian friends visit us in the Midwest one year – and we took them to a terrific outdoor fireworks show. On the way back, due to heavy traffic, we were redirected out of town by the sheriffs via a route we’d never been on. No bigga deal.. WE checked the map, found the route and after a half-hour drive through dark rural routes, got back to the highway. Our guests remarked the next day that they had been SCARED. They had been lead to believe that America had wild gun-toting crazies ambushing drivers out in the hinterlands and were SUPRISED and RELIEVED that wasn’t true.
    One Brit we took to WALMART. He spent two hours walking in a daze thru the store, and he finally stood there and said, “WE are being CHEATED in England.” You should have seen their faces when we showed them the local real estate listings – a two story Victorian mansion with a yard for the same cost as their two-bedroom duplex half in UK.

    I am not making ANY of this up. These are EDUCATED PEOPLE. If you stare at them with a dropped jaw, they think they’re right, so we’ve been forced to correct them … frequently.

    AMericans should not be cowed every time the Europeans are invoked. They’ve got screw-ups over there that Americans would never dream of. AND their immigration policies are ONE of them.

  28. Stephen Kohut says

    Brewer just signed the bill. The +70% of Arizonans that have voted for every ballot measure to control illegal immigration thank you. For those that think the less than 30% who have opposed illegal immigration ballot measures will sink the GOP, 70 is bigger than 30. I’ll take the 70% each and every day and so will any other politician.

  29. Oh! Thank you for the update. Was just looking about to see if she had.

  30. kralmajales says

    Look…the Economist is one of the more conservative, economic magazines in the world. It is also among the most prominent news sources in the world. But oh those Europeans are the problems now, huH?

    GOPBoomerGal,

    The police can, if suspicion, ask anyone…and I mean anyone…their papers. Period. Whether they pull them over or not.

    I think they should do it for everyone so you all get the point about what this really means. This WILL create more racial profiling. Even if it didn’t it is still embarassing to Arizona and it is NOT what America is about. It is an afront to all of our freedom.

  31. kralmajales says

    “We DO call them IllEGAL if they ARE illegal aliens in addition to the OTHER crime of murder.”

    Roger’s point was pretty clear. You reserve calling human beings illegal only if they are violating immigration law. We dont call murderers illegal unless they are here under-undocumented status.

    And…folks…I am sorry but the police don’t go around looking for Britans who are here undocumented. This state goes wild about the southern border and those with Brown skin. We don’t place a 1/10th of the resources on the rest. You know it, I know it.

  32. Just for the record, I’m the “real” Roger. I don’t know the driveling liberal coward that tried to hi-jack my name, but I strongly support the new law.

    I reject the claims of racism and the rants of people who stoop to that level when they don’t get what they want. Over using the term has rendered it meaningless to the general public. This bill is about law enforcement plain and simple.

  33. GOP Boomer Gal says

    Now let’s see….who should I rely on to tell me the truth about the law….. kral or Senator Antenori……tough choice….

  34. And…folks…I am sorry but the police don’t go around looking for Britans who are here undocumented. This state goes wild about the southern border and those with Brown skin. We don’t place a 1/10th of the resources on the rest. You know it, I know it.
    ……..

    The police in the North East do have an eye out for the illegal Irish IRA, AND the illegal BASQUE ETA, not a usual problem in this state, but for years there were a lot of illegal Irish in the Northeast states, and there are Basque enclaves in the Northeast as well.

    Our concern now is the cartel drug wars being waged in Mexico and the violent spill-over, already well-established in the state capital of Phoenix, and the second major city, Tucson, plus the violent Salvadoran MS-13 gangs – a big and very nasty problem around the Washington DC area, especially Virginia, but already established up the Eastern Seaboard states.

    What’s driving ALL of this isn’t skin color, it’s VIOLENT CRIME. If it wasn’t for that, few people would care – no one did at first – did they, blithely hiring Hispanics right and left, until the criminal element got established inside our borders.

  35. kralmajales Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    Look…the Economist is one of the more conservative, economic magazines in the world. It is also among the most prominent news sources in the world. But oh those Europeans are the problems now, huH
    ……..

    I would LOVE to send that to the editors of the ECONOMIST just to watch their faces turn purple.
    They are Progressive LEFT and proud of it.
    You didn’t know that?

  36. This goes back two centuries – not much has changed.
    Europeans told THomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin to their faces at a dinner party in Paris that it was a FACT that everything in AMerica was STUNTED due to the unhealthy living conditions.
    Ben Franklin absorbed that for a moment, then he offered that they would continue their debate on one condition: if they all stood up.
    The Europeans agreed, only to find all the Americans towering over them. End of debate.

  37. Look…the Economist is one of the more conservative, economic magazines in the world. It is also among the most prominent news sources in the world. But oh those Europeans are the problems now, huH?

    ———————–

    LOL! Sorry, but that was funny! Conservative? Did you know that they endorsed Obama for President in 2008?

    http://www.economist.com/world/united-states/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12516666

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