Wake up Arizona!

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It looks like some rich business fat cats want a free pass to hire illegal labor without consequence. They are considering starting a PAC to campaign against the recently signed employer sanctions bill.

Wake up indeed. Michelle Malkin has a spine tingling piece on the cost of this county’s don’t ask – don’t tell policy toward people here illegally, even convicted sex offenders. Oh and yes, he was registered to vote!


Comments

  1. I am just curious about how each of you think your daily lives will be impacted once the new law takes effect?

  2. Oro Valley Dad says

    If the law is actually implemented and enforced.

    Short term – slight increase in prices for good and services. Long term – slight increase in wages, slight decrease in crime, slight decrease in income taxes, slight decrease in congestion (economy slows to a more sustainable rate of growth.)

    Works for me.

  3. I do not know for sure how it will be impacted, but I believe could actually turn out to be exactly the opposite of the picture painted by the scare tactics of the purveyors of illegal workers. It will to some extent be determined by how rapid there is a reduction in the illegals.

    However, don’t forget if one and a half million people leave the state there will be less demand and therefore the price will be reduced. Under that scenario, there will be a bigger housing supply at lower cost for first time home buyers; based on the City of Phoenix Police Department Report there will be a HUGE reduction in the crime rate; there will be a HUGE reduction in state costs for education, health care and criminal justice; there will be a reduction in everyone’s insurance premiums; emergency rooms will reopen since the major cause of non-payment patients will be gone; traffic congestion will actually be reduced; and so on.

    I do not think it will result in an increase in any area including the food industry due to the lower demand. In addition, I just read a story today in the Oregonian of the new mechanical grape harvesting machine that can harvest as many grapes in twenty minutes with two people as thirty people can do in an hour. The side benefit is because they can harvest them at night there is less loss due to fermentation that occurs in daylight harvesting and because of the reduced time to harvest they can be taken to the refrigeration sheds quicker further reducing loss.

    It sounds like grapes will be getting cheaper and without illegals dying crossing the desert to do the work. A good deal all around.

  4. nightcrawler says

    Those HUGE reductions ofcourse assume that people will cross the border(s) and leave. More likely they will cross state lines or simply stay put. Now instead of working, those idle individuals will put a bigger drain on the system.

  5. Pat -Globe, AZ says

    I’m sick of being told “They’re only doing jobs lazy Americans won’t do”. That’s the biggest load of Bravo Sierra that’s been unloaded on John Q. Public. Right out of High School, one of my brothers became a framer on a construction site. The other, a construction plumber. I became a FARM WORKER! That’s right, a LAZY WHITE KID from the ‘burbs was out in the summer sun chopping cotton next to the illegals. We’ve been sold out by Republicrats who want illegals here for cheap labot, and Demublicans who think said illegals are instantly going to vote for them. The end result, Americans lose their country. WAKE UP! Build the fence, protect our sovereignty.JOIN THE MINUTE MEN!

  6. If you take that argument, then you are saying that the opportunity to make higher wages here is not the incentive for them to come here in the first place. That is a circular argument.

    If they cross state lines, it will be up to their legislatures to solve their state problem, and I believe that, under those circumstances, they will.

    In addition, with the two initiatives on the ballot that also eliminates Sanctuary City policies, it will become more unstable for them to stay in Arizona – and the historical evicence is that an overwhelming majority will actually return home.

  7. Thanks Pat! obviously, my post 56 was to nightcrawler.

    You are right. Build the fence – Stop Sanctuary City Policies – Stop illegal hiring practices – Require government employees to establish legal residency

  8. nightcrawler says

    Actually the argument is valid. It is better to be poor in the USA than in Mexico. They may in fact stay put. The higher wages did in fact attact them here in the first place, the standard of living, even for the poor, will keep them here. And there in lies the rub. It all comes down to their day to day existence.

  9. Normally, I would agree with you, but a part of the law that people have overlooked is the requirement that state employees must determine legal status when applying for any program that has ANY state funds.

  10. I see most comments are aimed at poor Mexican workers, but no one seems concerned with the undocumented children of any illegal parent, the non-Mexican who over-stayed their visa, the well educated from any part of the world, or any benefits that those individuals contribute to our society.

    I recently closed my business that employed an average of 22 workers. The pay rate was between $9 and $13 an hour. In the process of helping employees find new jobs, I found that 10 were illegal. I had 12 workers who were significantly better (conscientious, dedicated, hard working) than the others. Of those 12, 9 were illegal.

    Also try to remember that when many of your ancestors (mostly from Europe) came here for similar reasons (jobs, hope, conditions), there were no quota restrictions, as there were no laws at that time.

    The point I’m making here is that the focus here has been negative and has fundamentally disregarded the positive aspects that immigration brings to our country.

  11. Employer,

    THe difference is they came here legally and a large percentage were turned away. They had to pass physicals, background evaluations, prove they had needed skills, and many were allowed to stay while their family members were sent back on the next boat. They followed the rules.

    In addition, you guys seem to forget that we have a legal immigration policy that allows more immigration than any other country on the face of the earth. No one is in favor of shutting off the flow of legal immigrants. In fact, we now dispense about a million new permanent residents permits a year, not counting all of the temporaty visas. No exactly anti-immigration.

    What if your competitor had paid no property taxes, no employer taxes, failed to remit sales tax revenues, and broke all the OSHA laws that you were required to follow? I mean, it is no different except which laws people choose to violate with impunity and want government to allow without penalty.

  12. Would you favor a law that also forbids employers from hiring other types of criminals e.g. Murderers, rapists, child molesters?

  13. Depending on the industry, if they had served their time, were released, and not currently in violation of any law including parole violations, I would probably oppose a blanket law as you stated.

    I do favor that law as it applies to contact or influence over minors and also support such a law in other specific applications.

    Again, any support for such a law would require them not being in violation of any current state or federal law. That would eliminate the illegal alien situation where they are currently in violation of federal law and state law with the passage of HB2779.

  14. annette erker says

    From the L.A. Times
    1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants
    working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on
    Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican
    nationals here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens

    in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely
    illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

    (All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

    Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth
    (and over 90% of California , Florida and New York )
    results from immigration.

    29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

  15. Employer says

    GOP PK,
    I noticed you only responded to the part of my comment that dealt with past immigration and were also uninformed on the actual requirements for entry to the USA during most of our country’s early existance.

    In comparison to present immigration (about 3/10 of 1% of our total population), the immigration of the mid and late 1800’s was massive (as much as 3% annually). Obviously our country did not suffer, but improved, as immigrants were allowed to, and did, assimilate. What would our country, or the world for that matter, be like if we had the same restrictions on immigration then as we do today? Most likely Germany would have controlled all Europe and possibly North America too, seeing that 1 in 6 persons here have German roots and would never have been here to make our nation great and powerful, nor the English, nor the Irish, nor the Italians, etc.

    But enough of the past and the lessons to be learned. Let’s talk of the present and how you propose to deal with the problem. If you can answer in 500 words or less, then you have no idea of the complexity. The challenge is to create a financially sound, logical, humane, and equitable solution for all parties involved. Are you, or anyone else here, up to the task or is everyone content to just complain and offer nothing constructive?

    If you take the challenge, keep in mind that Microsoft has set up an office in Canada because they can’t get home grown quality high-tech employees at any price and can’t get visas to allow foreigners into this country due to quota limitations. So you need to resolve more issues than just building fences to keep out poor Mexicans.

  16. The Republicans truly are the party of the rich. The statement that they get most of their contributions from small donors is false. The large donors are coached by Republicans using legal and illegal methods for hiding their huge contributions, and making it appear as though they are small donors.

    See this link for the real story:

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/080200-03.htm

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