Vile criminal defense lawyers equate Andy and Joe with Hitler; trivialize the Holocaust

AZ Common Sense

Vile criminal defense lawyers equate Andy and Joe with Hitler
Their protest trivializes the Holocaust

In all of recorded history, there has been but one Hitler, a madman whose goal was the total eradication of an entire people down to the last infant. No one, not Pol Pot, Genghis Khan or even Joseph Stalin can compare. Only one man ever, has orchestrated such a systematic elimination of human beings. To equate anyone else with Hitler is to spit on the graves of the millions he crushed.  There are scarcely words to describe what such an equation means to the living survivors and their descendants, and yet on Monday, a few radical Arizona criminal defense attorneys, who dubiously claim membership in the human race, organized a rally in front of Maricopa County Superior Court comparing County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Sheriff Joe Arpaio to Hitler.

When people resort to violence and vileness, you know they have run out of ideas. The more they do so, the more they indicate a lack of intelligence and/or judgment. Apparently, these defense attorneys must have been born on a day when both were in short supply. When someone plays the Nazi card, you know they have no substantive argument.

In addition to displaying pictures like the one above that places Hitler next to Sheriff Arpaio, several protesters held large white signs actually equating Arpaio and Thomas with Hitler. They were the usual suspects, a mob of far left angry, radical left-wing attorneys upset that Thomas doesn’t cave in to them on illegal immigration, the death penalty, and other pet left wing causes.

Although it looked as if there were at least 200 protestors, that was deceptive. Most criminal defense attorneys spend half their day downtown at Superior Court, which recesses at 12:00 noon for lunch, exactly when the protest started. Not only were numerous criminal defense attorneys already down there by default, but many standing in the crowd seemed to be court employees, defendants and other litigants who stuck around to enjoy the show.

The protest was organized by criminal attorney Jim Belanger, who represents the Home Builder’s Association which profits off illegal immigrant labor, something Thomas and Arpaio have fought against in the interests of protecting American jobs, a fact he neglected to mention even once in his speech. We are struck by the title, criminal attorney. Does this mean an attorney who represents criminals, or an attorney who is a criminal? You have to admit that there is a bit of ambiguity in the term.


Comments

  1. The speakers at the protest were laughable. The farthest left wing criminal defense attorneys in Arizona. Of course they hate Thomas and Arpaio because they’re tough law enforcement. Yawn. Nonstory.

  2. These protester do not support the rule of law and the Constitution. They are load, but few in number evidenced by the popularity of our County Attorney and Sheriff in election. There are a handful of these chronically unemployed loudmouths that can sit around all day while the rest of us work. They added to their ranks a bunch of opportunistic defence attorney’s. These attorney’s care only about making money, not justice! Now they can say they are out fighting for the rights of the downtrodden. Bull!!! It was just a free media opportunity for them. Let’s see what the trial brings for Stapley and Wilcox. There is so much smoke, it would be hard to believe there is no fire. The calendar moves on and we will get an answer.

  3. Frank Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    The speakers at the protest were laughable. The farthest left wing criminal defense attorneys in Arizona. Of course they hate Thomas and Arpaio because they’re tough law enforcement. Yawn. Nonstory.
    ……………..
    That’s pretty funny given how many times a very similar tactic has been invoked by posters on this blog.

  4. alicia gegner says

    Hey Wanumba Umgawe or whatever your name is – no poster on this blog has ever equated anyone with Hitler, and certainly not I. That was an astonshingly creative and uninformed comment.

  5. “alicia gegner Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    Hey Wanumba Umgawe or whatever your name is – no poster on this blog has ever equated anyone with Hitler, and certainly not I. That was an astonshingly creative and uninformed comment.”

    Anyone can see that this blog is descending into one sided hackery even if you agree with the people posting. Wanumba is right about the hypocrisy of this post. Here are some exapmles:

    http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/09/08/and-the-children-shall-lead-them/

    http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/09/11/obama-corps-and-the-children-shall-lead-them/

    http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/06/11/right-wing-extremism-myth/

  6. “Hey Wanumba Umgawe or whatever your name is – no poster on this blog has ever equated anyone with Hitler, and certainly not I.”

    Alicia,

    Wow, you don’t read here much. Veritas “Obama is Hitler” Vincit does it all the time.

    In fact, it’s a fun drinking game I have. Every time he posts, I take a shot anytime a reference to the Reich is made. I’m generally hammered by the 3rd paragraph.

  7. Vile, indeed says

    Hugh,

    If you’re so upset by comparisons to Hitler, you should have a word with Veritas

    http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/09/11/obama-corps-and-the-children-shall-lead-them/

    http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/09/08/and-the-children-shall-lead-them/

    And these are just the most recent examples – complete with pictures.

  8. Arizona Ranger says

    The “”real” villain in this little charade is the front man for the Home Builder’s Association: Jim Belanger. The home builders absolutely profit, quite illegally, from the hordes of uneducated but hard working illegal immigrants-99% Mexican. Sure they are mad–mad at the two people among our elected officials who are actively doing something about the illegal alien INVASION!! Sheriff Arpaio and Attorney Thomas are doing exactly what we elected them to do-enforce our laws. This also includes finding and deporting illegals. And it also includes going after the homebuilders who illegally employ the illegal immigrants.
    The home builders don’t have the cajones to stand up themselves and state their position-they hire a two-bit attorney to do it for them. I have little to no respect for this kind of person. They are nothing more that a sniveling bunch of cowards. Cowards that could (and should) be a target of our Sheriff and Attorney.
    We support the activities of Sheriff Arpaio and Attorney Thomas. They are both decent, dedicated and hard-working people who have suffered much, but have accomplished a great deal.
    Joe and Andy-we salute you!

  9. “Two” must have been all the “whine”

  10. The “Commonsense” author of this piece missed several very important and pertinent points to this story. But first, let me preface this commentary with one statement – I am a registered Republican and a conservative voter. With that being said, the author has misrepresented the facts of this protest and the facts need to be presented for the readers of this blog to be informed and knowledgeable.

    -First, not all the attorneys present at the rally are criminal defense attorneys. How do I know this? Many of the attorneys there are close personal friends of my family and are personal injury attorneys, litigation attorneys, family law attorneys…the list goes on. Furthermore, there were people at that rally who are not lawyers, just citizens who wanted to support the underlying message. There were attorneys and citizens from all political, religious, and ethnic backgrounds present. Not to mention, attorney Jim Belanger did not organize this rally – Tom Ryan did along with numerous other attorneys. Mr. Ryan is a lifelong Conservative, pro-life, Republican.

    -Second, these attorneys are not about making money. Many of these attorneys do pro bono work for the community and dedicate much of their time and effort trying to make the county a better and safer place for all of us.

    -Third, there was no act of violence perpetrated at the rally. It was a purely peaceful, legal demonstration of people exercising their CONSTITUTIONAL rights to gather and free speech. There is nothing violent in their words, just a call to the fine, intelligent, people of the state of Arizona to be aware of the gross abuses of power in our county government.

    -Fourth, the people at this rally are trying to inform those people in the state who are unaware of the gross abuses of power being executed by Thomas and Arpaio. Time and again they have illegally, and unconstitutionally, invaded the privacy of civilians’ and judges homes, used tactics of intimidation, stripped Arizonans of constitutional rights, and assault our intelligence and trust. Why stand up for men who are trying to strip you of your basic, American rights? Why let them stand behind the cloaks of their office? When they were voted in to office, they were entrusted with the grave and awesome responsibility to uphold the constitution and protect the innocent. When have they done that?!

    Please take the time to look at the facts. Please take the time to thoughtfully scrutinize our public officials, Republican, Democrat, Independent alike. There are abuses of power being perpetrated by Thomas and Arpaio and if we’re not careful, their witch hunt will spill beyond illegal immigration, DUIs, attacks on the judiciary and board of supervisors, but into our own homes.

    Please be informed.

  11. Ah.
    Never mind.

  12. Why is my last comment still “awaiting moderation”? Is saying that this blog has decesended into hackery beyond the pale?

  13. soccerlisawoods says

    “You know there really weren’t 200 reporters there.” Hugh Nuze you should go work with that Iraqi General that denied the existence of Marines in the Baghdad.

  14. soccerlisawoods says

    Sorry meant attorneys.

  15. While I disagree with the attack on defense attorneys I have to point out several errors in Alisha’s post. First point out that Tom Ryan is Tim Ryan’s big brother. Tim did his level best to stop Prop 1oo from being put in effect. Tim also said bad things about Thomas at meetings three years ago and has continued to insult county attorneys although he is often rude to defense attorneys as well.

    How is interviewing potential witnesses at their homes illegal or unconstitutional? If a deputy comes to a court staff member’s home all the person has to do is say go away. There has been nothing at judge’s homes.

    I disagree atrongly with the criminal charges against Judge Donahoe even though Judge Donahoe has been a terrible presiding criminal judge. The fact he ruled Thomas had a conflict with the criminal tower investigation but ignored his own conflict. Donahoe ruled even though Tom Irvine was representing the court and the county at the sames time.

  16. ………………..
    Alisa Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    if we’re not careful, their witch hunt will spill beyond illegal immigration
    …………………
    How is enforcing the law against illegal immigration a “witch hunt?”
    A whole roomful of lawyers who don’t uphold the law?
    The operative word is “illegal.” All else is secondary to that.

  17. Craig – Tom Ryan is Judge Ryan’s older brother. So what? Please cite all evidence that Judge Ryan ever “did his level best to stop Prop 100” from being put forth? He was a judge at the time the proposition was put forth and was not allowed to comment on it. What evidence do you have? What is your evidence for Judge Donahoe being a “terrible criminal presiding judge?”

  18. soccerlisawoods Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    “You know there really weren’t 200 reporters there
    …………….
    You referring to this quote?:
    “Although it looked as if there were at least 200 protestors …”

    Maybe we all need to take a speed-reading refresher course.

  19. Tom Ryan is Judge Ryan’s older brother. So what? What bearing does that have on the relevance of your argument?

  20. Note to whoever keeps trying to post a comment using an IP address anonymizer referring to Andrew Thomas as “butt-boil Candy Andy.” If you continue to try and post anonymous comments that are personal attacks, they will continue being deleted.

  21. You made Tom Ryan sound like an independent conservative without mentioning his connection to a judge who has tried to prevent laws concerning illegals being held without bond. I think that connection is relevant.

  22. 1. Thisis2Funny Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    # Not2Shabby Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    December 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Pemberthy Rachel Alexander doesn’t like our comments so she is deleting them and or not allowing them to post to protect herself.

    not2shabby@yesman.com
    67.159.44.138
    Submitted on 2009/12/22 at 9:39pm

    # alicia gegner/ Hugh Nuze / actually Rachel Alexander Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Hey Wanumba Umgawe or whatever your name is – no poster on this blog has ever equated anyone with Hitler, and certainly not I. That was an astonshingly creative and uninformed comment.
    (astonshingly?? Just back from a drive with the wine bottle?)

    Dear God Rachel what the hell has happened to you in the last six years when we first met? I have never witnessed anyone deteriorate into such an abhorrent liar and deviant manipulator in such time.

    There are HUNDREDS of examples of the Hitler references on this blog. Perhaps you will take the Christmas break to go back in and try to delete them all, sort of like you spent the last several months deleting internet material related to the questionable, suspicious and illegal activity you participated in at Thomas’s office.

    Why are you so determined to run to the gallows of Thomas’s ship and chain yourself there making sure you drown with him? Never mind don’t answer that, I’ve read your cookie cutter response elsewhere hundreds of times before.

    People will stand up to our loathsome diffident chicken-hearted sheriff and his pretty little butt-boil Candy Andy. They will stand up more and more, unified and unafraid. They will sacrifice if need be, because they know they are right and they are tired of being pushed around and intimidated by to such craven dolts.

    I can also promise you that Andy will throw YOU under the bus much sooner than you think…if you think otherwise you are a fool.

  23. As stated before – Tom Ryan is Judge Timothy Ryan’s brother. I again say so what?! Wouldn’t you want your brother standing up beside you when you’re being attacked. That being said, Craig, can you name 3 sources that support your statement that Judge Ryan, a sitting judge, opposed the proposition? You must have some reliable evidence? It would have been a huge violation of the judicial code of conduct and would have made news. So what is your support?

  24. “yet on Monday, a few radical Arizona criminal defense attorneys, organized a rally in front of Maricopa County Superior Court comparing County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Sheriff Joe Arpaio to Hitler.”
    …….
    Pathetic. On what sound basis would any competent lawyer use Hitler comparisons in a simple political disagreement?
    Hitler was a socialist. His political party was the Socialist Party. Left.
    We graduate that kind of history ignoramous out of law school these days?
    We must, if they do not even understand what “illegal” means.

  25. The extreme left equates anyone conservative with Hitler. They’ve been doing it for years, even tried doing it with Reagan (whose ’84 landslide fell a few votes short in Mondale’s native Minnesota of winning all 50 states).

    It doesn’t work, conservatives still win elections, Arpaio and Thomas will continue to win elections…the public won’t be swayed by the shrill protests of people who represent rapists and murderers for a living.

  26. This is Shane, Administrator of Sonoran Alliance. Due to the comments of someone who is falsely attacking a person not associated with this post, I am shutting down comments and conducting an IP audit/trace on the commenter.