Reality Check.

     Last we checked there was no Devine Right of Senators. In fact since 1913 the commoners themselves have been allowed to decide on who will represent them in the Senate. Many people have been wailing about the attacks on poor Jon Kyl. Is it permissible to criticize an elected official? Yes it is. That is one of the tenants of our Republic. The people can speak up.

     Is it warranted in the case of S.1348? That is a good question.

     First, this is a conservative political blog. While most or all of the writers may be registered as Republicans that does not make this an official part of the Republican Party. Therefore we are not bound by the same constraints that party officials are.

     Certainly Senator Kyl has spent the vast majority of his time in office as the point man for the conservative cause. The issue then becomes is it possible to commit an act that negates or minimizes that past record and opens the Senator to current criticism? That is a valid question and one that people should be allowed to discuss. Another relevant point is the issue of whether the Senator is being candid in how he represents S.1348. People may disagree on that issue but we should still be free to debate the manner in which this bill is being sold to the public.

     Frankly I do not understand what all of the fuss is about. Kyl is not up for re-election for several years. If the moderate Republicans are at all interested in the future of the party they should be on the phone to the White House and to the Senate telling them that they cannot sell-out a large block of the party and still have a party left. The choice is clear, ignore the base or listen to the base. But please do not ignore the base and then tell us not to be upset that we feel betrayed. Many of us genuinely believe that granting immediate legal status to tens of millions of illegal aliens is a short sighted fix to the immigration / border security issue and that it is also an egregious affront to the citizens who obey the laws of the land. Many illegal aliens have committed multiple crimes such as illegally entering the U.S., obtaining forged or fraudulent documents, providing false social security numbers, not filing income taxes, etc. If they get a pass then we should all get a pass. During the Iran Contra scandal the press loved to say that this was a nation of laws not of men. Well the same applies today. This should still be a nation of laws not of protected political classes, Senators or illegal immigrants.

     The glue that holds together the legal system is not that we enjoy being held to the law but that we like it when everyone one else is held to account before the law. S.1348 weakens that glue to such an extent as to weaken the fabrick of society. So yes some of us may be concerned about that and may even critisize a servant of the people who tries to tell us otherwise.


Comments

  1. Frank Soto says

    “If the moderate Republicans are at all interested in the future of the party they should be on the phone to the White House and to the Senate telling them that they cannot sell-out a large block of the party and still have a party left… ignore the base or listen to the base.”

    I guess that moderate Republicans would probably say two things in response to that comment. First, it is not so clear that we actually ARE the base anymore. Most demographics show that most people are somewhere in the middle/independent, which actually makes them the base. You might be overestimating the importance of ‘us.’ Second, why shouldn’t they ignore us? The people on the far right (specifically religious right) have made themselves the champions of a few causes (namely abortion, sometimes homosexuality, and border security). As long as there are only two parties, which is surely going to be the case for a long time, moderate Republicans don’t care if the far right is upset about an issue. We aren’t going to vote democrat if they are pro-abortion (for the most part) and we aren’t going to abstain from voting because we recognize the foolishness in that. Therefore, the only time the right matters is in Republican primaries, outside of that time, we have put ourselves into a very poor strategic spot.

    I think for the most part it’s not that moderates are upset that we feel betrayed (forget about Sproul), they just don’t care.

  2. Just about every Republican candidate runs as a conservative, especially on illegal immigration and taxes and spending. Yet when they get to Washington most of them vote like liberals. This is what ticks people off.

    The Washington wing of the Party is ignoring the party faithful and independents. Instead of listening to the majority of voters, the Washington Republicans are trying to silence (intimidate) us local yahoos. Washington Republicans refused to stop pork-barrel spending and corruption and became the minority. Now they refuse to enforce our laws.

    Washington Republicans, what are you more afraid of? The New York Times and lobbyists, or voters leaving the party?

    However, we cannot split the party. That is how Democrats win (think Bill Clinton in 1992). Tearing up your voter ID card on TV is stupid.

    The campaign finance “reforms” from Watergate to McCain-Feingold have moved Congress farther from the voters and give power to special interests who can bundle donations. If you want to make Congress more accountable to individual voters, remove all the campaign finance restrictions.

  3. First, the original idea… I have defended Senator Kyl but expressed concern over the bill. While this is a conservative site not a party affiliated venue, the open expression of ideas and positions is the expectation. My “heartburn” came from the chosen method of defined party leaders to express themselves in regard to the bill and how they chose to send the message from the membership. It is my belief that the elected leaders have a two fold responsibility; support the elected officials and represent the membership. So, what happens when the two have a difference? That is the true test. Some would say it was handled just as it should have been. I disagree; believing that the party leadership could play the role of a clearing house and messenger for the people and to the elected officials as a vehicle of advocacy for both. We have the absolute freedom to speak our mind, but the party leadership represents ALL members and is not a free agent in that regard. The idea is to strengthen not weaken. You are correct; the Senator is not up for re-election. But our party is always up for re-election. To be so divisive and contrary in nature doesn’t do us any good. The rabid dog faction will love it, but in the living rooms of the average R who has never even been to party offices and has no idea who Randy Pullen is BUT does vote, who is tired of the name calling and ugliness in politics… it is not playing well at all. I was told this week that the Dems are counting the votes they are getting from the show of non-support the party leaders have shown to McCain and now they’ve got Kyl, too.

    It does seem the definition of “base” as well as “Conservative” and “Moderate” seem to have really changed while those of us who believe we fell into one of the categories have seen the walls shift. I am now and have always been pro-life. I am an Evangelical Christian. I strongly support the Second Amendment. I want our borders to be secure and English to be spoken. I believe a strong military is vital. Federalism is the key to the origination of this country and something we desperately need to restore. Yet I have been accused of not being conservative enough, of being out of line with the base. Maybe it is because I also do not believe it is necessary to label everyone and put them into a box then hold to the regulation that if they aren’t in my box that makes them bad and of no value.

  4. Oro Valley Dad says

    Ann,

    “in the living rooms of the average R who has never even been to party offices and has no idea who Randy Pullen is BUT does vote, who is tired of the name calling and ugliness in politics… it is not playing well at all.”

    Oh, and this amnesty bill that in FACT does little to secure the border is going to play well?

  5. PartyGuy says

    In those living rooms, its not playing at all. The average Republican isn’t paying much attention anymore than the average voter is. The problem is that the base of the party, its worker bees that the politicians rely on to get signatures and turn out the vote, those folks were in open revolt over this bill. Pullen has kept them on board, essentially keeping the party base together, which is both his job and a good thing. Especially since these same politicians are going to be back soon enough asking for our help in getting reelected.

  6. OK guys, first the entire border security thing is huge….to us. I’m not so sure what definition of border security the average voter uses or can live with. But, my guess is the trade-off will settle some and not others. A wash. You are partially right party guy, but the base could have been served AND the dignity of all parties maintained by a different handling of the “open revolt” by Pullen. I do see a divide among the base on this, though. There are just as many who fall into a variety of categories; they either absolutely disagree with Pullen’s actions, like the bill, or are neutral. That is why he is the leader of the whole party and not just those with whom he agrees.

  7. nightcrawler says

    OVD,

    Bravo. You are right on the money. Communication is the key. The Sonoran Alliance and other blogs absolutely do have the right to tell it like it is. I don’t agree with everything you or the other posters say, but I do defend your right to say it.

  8. Ann,

    I would like to quote you and agree with you for a change.

    ” . . . the party leadership represents ALL members and is not a free agent in that regard.”

    All of the members of the Republican State Committee unanimously voted on the provisions that are contained in this bill, and directed the Party leadership to oppose any such provisions.

    To follow your own directive, Randy, as a party leader, must represent the members and is not a free agent in that regard. It is interesting that when he does what you say he must do, you criticize him. Talk about schizophrenia!

    As a friend said last week, “Game, Set, Match!”

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