It’s wrong for illegal immigration sympathizers to tell illegal immigrants not to cooperate with the police

We want you to break the lawThe Arizona Republic has a front-page story today on the latest tactics illegal immigration defenders are using to thwart law enforcement deportation efforts. Led by activists like Salvador Reza, these fringe organizations – including some religious organizations, sadly enough – are training illegal immigrants on how to avoid cooperating with the police by refusing to answer questions about their immigration status. Although it may be within your right not to tell the police anything except your name, it is still a violation of the law to be in the country illegally and encouraging illegal immigrants to mislead the police is just one step away from encouraging someone to ignore our laws. Our tough laws against illegal immigration may seem unfair, but they’ve been passed by the majority and represent the views of most – and Arizona voters in particular overwhelmingly support tough illegal immigration laws, having voted with 70%+ margins in favor of four anti-illegal immigration measures in 2006. Encouraging illegal immigrants to make the job of the police tougher is going to waste more tax dollars as the police have to figure out their citizenship status some other way – because if they don’t, and that illegal immigrant is released and kills someone, there will be hell to pay and it will be all over the news, likely resulting in disciplinary action against that officer. it’s unfair to put our law enforcement officers in the middle of this. Proponents of amnesty should work on getting the laws changed, not violating the law. Encouraging lawbreakers not to cooperate with police starts down the slippery slope to anarchy. Why have police if citizens are taught to do their best to thwart them? Illegal immigrants shouldn’t receive the full panoply of rights as U.S. citizens; if the police require their citizenship status, they should be permitted to determine it without wasting massive resources trying to get around someone who refuses to speak.


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  1. nightcrawler says

    Near the end of your post you brought up the million dollar (or should I say 20 million person) question….

    Do those who are in this country illegally deserve to have the same rights as those who are citizens and/or those who have proper documentation ?

    Do they have the right to assemble and protest ?

    Do they have the right to a trial before deportation ?

    I don’t know the answer to these questions perhaps someone out there does…

    If they do have all the rights of a US citizen, well then, they do have the right to counsel and advice.

    These are profound questions we need to ask ourselves.

  2. Stop the Madness says

    Lets stay focused on the word illegal. If they are illegal what gives them any rights? They have broke the law and do not legally belong here.

    “Immigration advocates say they are simply trying to protect the rights of illegal immigrants, not teach them how to beat the system.” Are you kidding me? If you are illegal how do you have any rights? You are a criminal, illegal = criminal.
    So give me a break, they are TEACHING THEM HOW TO BEAT THE SYSTEM.

    “It’s preventing people from being deported because they know their rights now and they remain silent,” said Magdalena Schwartz, a Mesa pastor. Again why do they have any rights? They are criminals. I know I’m going to get a lot of posts about how inhumane I am but if you break the law, any law, you are a criminal. And before I hear from all you, I do own an agricultural business and I do check the legal status of my employees. If I have to pay higher wages to employ LEGAL employees I will. The funny thing is, I have legal employees, pay the same as I always have and I live very comfortable. Now, if we can keep a Dem out of office and keep my taxes down, I might be able to retire at a decent age.

    “Roberto, who did not want his last name published because he is an undocumented immigrant, said he refused to answer questions about his immigration status. Roberto said he also asked to call a lawyer. After three hours, Roberto said, he was given several traffic citations and released.
    “I was very, very scared,” he said.” He should be scared, he is illegal, which means he should not be here. ” undocumented immigrant” why? How about Illegal immigrant?? But no, we have to play nice

    Okay tell me because I will confess to not being the constitutional student I should be, how does an ILLEGAL.have any constitutional rights?
    “The pamphlet includes a card that can be handed over in case of arrest by an immigration officer. It says, “I am asserting my constitutional right to remain silent. I will only tell you my name. I will not answer any other questions. I demand my right to be represented by an attorney (and) to make a telephone call.”” Yea right try that one on the Mexican Police when they come after you in Mexico.

    My son, now at the age of 26, was pulled over at the age of 16, I believe because he looked Hispanic and was driving a nice car in a not so nice neighborhood. We happen to be a higher tax bracket living in a poorer area. He is 1/4 Mexican, but looks a lot more. Did I go to defend him him , of course! Did I understand the police officers questioning, of course. Racial profiling?? Give me a break, I would rather be a little inconvenienced than pay the fees of education, health care, and welfare for illegals.

  3. regardless of how we fell nightcrawler, the rights you mentioned are for the most part constitutional rights and they do apply to everyone. non-citizens and legal residents have all those rights. That is why when a foreigner is arrested they still have to have a speedy trial and so forth.

  4. “I know I’m going to get a lot of posts about how inhumane I am but if you break the law, any law, you are a criminal.”

    Sorry, no. If you’re convicted of breaking the law, you’re a criminal. What part of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” is hard for you to understand?

    “Okay tell me because I will confess to not being the constitutional student I should be, how does an ILLEGAL.have any constitutional rights?”

    Because the US Constitution applies to everyone on American soil?

    “Yea right try that one on the Mexican Police when they come after you in Mexico.”

    1. That’s because the Mexican constitution doesn’t guarantee this right.

    2. Possibly one of the reasons why so many are fleeing here.

    “Racial profiling?? Give me a break, I would rather be a little inconvenienced…”

    And many people who are not here illegally would like not to be pulled over and questioned by the police for the “suspicious’ activity of driving a nice car and being brown.

  5. “If they are illegal what gives them any rights?”

    As others have demonstrated, obviously every criminal has a right to a fair trial, to be told of the charges against her, to be represented by an attorney, to be free of cruel or unusual.

    Human beings cannot be “illegal.” They may break the law — that is, commit illegal acts — but it is wrong to describe any person as “illegal.”

    Otherwise, everyone who commits a crime or a violation of a regulation, could be called “an illegal.”

    “Illegal” is not a noun. It’s an adjective.

    You should check out a piece in yesterday’s Washington Post by a Hispanic conservative who said the Republican party is doing nationally to itself on the immigration issue what Gov. Pete Wilson did with that proposition he championed; he won, but California has been a blue state ever since.
    This conservative said that immigration trumps everything for Hispanics.

    It’s a good thing the party has nominated the one candidate who can appeal to Hispanic voters, but even Sen. McCain must make sure he can recapture at least some of the Hispanic vote.

    In 20 years, perhaps 40% of Arizona voters will be Hispanics — including those grown-up children born in this country who members of the Republican party now think they can make noncitizens. These people will have long memories.

    The GOP’s demographics are horrendous anyway with the millennial generation, and the party will go the way of the Whigs unless it manages to appeal to a growing segment of the electorate.

  6. Wow, stop the madness, do I know you? I think you’re living my life. I do agree with a lot of what you said. But that is what makes our country great, we are fair to those that other countries would not be.
    Klute
    “If you’re convicted of breaking the law, you’re a criminal.” I agree with that but illegals are different, I think. They have no documentation and don’t have to be tried and convicted to be deported. Doesn’t that mean they are criminals?

  7. 70%+ of the Arizona electorate votes against benefits for illegals at every opportunity. Does McCain represent his constituents? Obviously and absolutely not. Republicans don’t take positions that could be construed as anti-hispanic. We take positions sanctioning illegal activity. We are in step with 70% of the Arizona electorate. We don’t need to cower to the hispanic vote. What we do need is representation that follows our platform and follows the will of the voters, including the citizen voters of hispanic descent.

    It’s always the left that plays a nonexistent race card. Where’s the fence? Catch and deport! These “guests” have entirely worn out their welcome. Stand up for U. S. sovereignty. We want Fair (legal) Trade, not Free (amnesty) Trade. Where’s the mccain border security bill? mccain is no American “hero” in any sense of the word. When Republicans become synonymous with border enforcement is when our numbers will swell to an insurmountable advantage.

  8. “Republicans don’t take positions that could be construed as anti-hispanic. We take positions sanctioning illegal activity.”

    This is where we are going to disagree. The activity is only illegal because we have chosen to make it so. Some of us believe that the law should be changed, to make it so that it is not illegal, easier to be legal, etc. It as not as if immigration laws correlate directly to natural law, or absolute theories of morality (like murder, robbery, etc). Those of us that disagree with the immigration laws see them anti-hispanic sometimes because their enforcement comes almost solely at the hands of hispanics, when there are plenty of illegal Irish and eastern block Europeans in the country as well.

    If McCain doesn’t represent his constituents, then how did he get reelected? It’s not like y’all just started to dislike him.

    “When Republicans become synonymous with border enforcement is when our numbers will swell to an insurmountable advantage.”

    Randy Graf sure proved that point, didn’t he?

    Richard Grayson’s post is perfect, and should be listend to.

    Lynn: “They have no documentation and don’t have to be tried and convicted to be deported.”

    This is incorrect. Go down to Sandra Day O’Conner Federal Courthouse on a Friday morning.

  9. Okay, I stand corrected Frank. But here’s my question then: Do they actually have a trial and conviction or do they just determine they do not have documents and do not belong in this country legally, so they deport them?

    “see them anti-hispanic sometimes because their enforcement comes almost solely at the hands of hispanics, when there are plenty of illegal Irish and eastern block Europeans in the country as well.” Frank- doesn’t the fact that we deal with hispanics have to do with it is Mexico we border with? In Arizona the problem is mostly hispanic, what about the north border or Florida, I bet they deal with others. If we have Irish (How’d you know I was Irish? You guys are getting spooky putting my life on here like this :)) or eastern Europeans same rules apply to them as do the hispanics. We have to stop making this a race issue and keep it directed on what it is, a border issue.

  10. boredinaz-
    Thank you that, it was very informative and what I needed. I’m always open to learning, education is the key to a more informed voter.

  11. Wrongo, Richard Grayson..
    Illegal IS a noun.
    You and others will just have to deal with it.

    noun (plural il·le·gals)

    Definition:

    illegal immigrant: somebody who has entered a country illegally

    http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/illegal.html

  12. Even criminals have rights. Convicted murderers get to appeal their conviction all the way to the Supreme Court, waste millions of dollars, tax payer dollars, before finally being given the needle.

    Illegal immigrants, most of whom are good people, deserve more rights than convicted murderers or child molesters.

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