Fear & Loathing in the Homosexual Community

I am astonished by the reaction by homosexual activists across the country toward the passage of all state ballot measures upholding the definition of traditional marriage.

Here in Arizona, letters have continued to run in local papers labeling those who supported Proposition 102 as “bigots” “haters” even “Nazi’s!”

Proposition 102 simply codifies into the Arizona Constitution what was already state law under Arizona Revised Statutes.

Where were those critical of Proposition 102 before it even became a ballot measure? Why were they not protesting in the streets since it became Arizona law?

In other states where voters approved traditional marriage, homosexual activists are now engaging in illegal activities and the very hate they accuse supporters of traditional marriage of falsely engaging in.

Here are a few examples from the headlines:

Washington Post“Protesters Target Supporters of Gay Marriage Ban”:

In Sacramento, a high-profile theater director resigned from his job of 25 years after a boycott threat over his $1,000 donation in support of the measure. In Los Angeles, a Mexican restaurant owner, a Mormon who donated $100, was reduced to tears and left town after hundreds of protesters confronted her at work, by phone and on the Internet.

“You express your beliefs and you have to be punished for it?” said Arnoldo Archila, an employee at the El Coyote restaurant. “This is not right, not in this country. This is not Iraq.”

The FBI reported Friday that white powder found in envelopes that had been sent to the Salt Lake City headquarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormon Church is officially known, and to a Mormon temple in Los Angeles turned out to be nontoxic. It has not been determined whether the substance, which forced church officials to close the facilities, was related to Proposition 8, but church leaders said they would not be surprised.

“It’s very clear that we’ve been singled out,” said Michael Otterson, a church spokesman.

Time“What Happens If You’re on the Gay ‘Enemies List?'”:

The Mormon Church is not the only group being singled out for criticism. African-Americans, 70% of whom voted yes on Proposition 8, according to a CNN exit poll, have become a target. According to eyewitness reports published on the Internet, racial epithets have been used against African-Americans at protests in California, directed even at blacks who are fighting to repeal Proposition 8.

In addition to protests, gay activists have begun publishing lists online exposing individuals and organizations who have donated money in support of Proposition 8. On AntiGayBlacklist.com, individuals who gave money toward Proposition 8 are publicized, with readers urged not to patronize their businesses or services.

KTVU – “Anger Over Prop 8 Erupts in San Francisco”:

Members of the gay community said that almost every Friday night, a Christian group meets at the corner of Castro and 18th Streets. They try to convert gays and lesbians into a straight lifestyle.

This Friday night, the message didn’t go over well. Some gays and lesbians reacted by trying to chase the group out of the Castro.

“Their rights were respected,” said Joe Schmitz, an opponent of Prop 8. “They got a chance to go ahead and pray on the sidewalk and I had the opportunity to express my freedom of speech which is telling them to get out of my neighborhood.”

San Francisco Police officers in riot gear formed a line and escorted the religious group into a van to safely get them out of the area.

FoxNews.com“New Yorkers Protest Gay Marriage Ban Outside of Mormon Church”:

“I’m fed up and disgusted with religious institutions taking political stances and calling them moral when it’s nothing but politics,” the 36-year-old Manhattan resident said. “It’s hypocrisy. Meanwhile, they enjoy tax-free status while trying to deny me rights.”

“I was particularly disturbed to see the number of African-Americans who supported Proposition 8 given our people’s historic struggle for equal rights,” said Williams, who is black. “I want all my rights as a full American citizen, not just as an African-American.”

KFSN – “Mysterious Powder Sent to Mormon Church“:

And Pastor Jim Franklin who was named along with Autry in that e-mail threat believes supporters of same sex marriage are going too far. “What this is, is religious bigotry that now religions are being targeted. It really shows what this was all about it really was about freedom of religion and freedom of speech.” Franklin said.

Tucson Citizen – “Gay Marriage: Arizona loses more than money” (Guest Opinion by Senator Paula Aboud, LD-28):

Proposition 102 will also drive a wedge between families, forcing couples to leave their home state or forgo the essential protections and equal social status afforded by civil marriage.

Proposition 102 will also have a harmful economic impact on Arizona and trigger cultural strife at a time when we desperately need to come together to battle the bigger social and economic ills facing the state and the country.

In these hard economic times, for a state that is $1.2 billion in debt, every dollar counts.

But what Arizona has lost is far greater than the mere dollar. It has tarnished its reputation and doomed itself to another national spotlight of negative proportions. And that harms all of us for a long time to come.


  1. GOP Boomer Gal says

    What disgusts me are the demon filled radicals disrupting religious services because they are hate filled toward those who disagree with their viewpoint.

    Todd is referring to the wrong people as haters. Sorry if you don’t understand discernment.

  2. Tucson Vice says


    Reems of paper are great, but history is better. The Roman Empire recognized gay marriage and they had a pretty good run. Canada, Spain, Holland and Belgium all recognize it as well. As a matter of fact, they all have lower rates of divorce.

    Traditional marriage is not subversive to the 14th amendment. Denying the homosexual community freedoms to which they are entitled (marriage–not gay marriage…they aren’t asking to be “gay married”) is.

    37 years is not a very long time. It took slaves 89 years to gain their freedom (more if you go back before the Constitution was ratified) and 94 years for black men to get the vote. It took women 144 years to gain the right to cast a ballot. We have seen discriminatory barriers just like this one fall before.

    It isn’t a question of if, but when.

  3. GOP Boomer Gal makes a great point. What would be the response if “Bible Thumpers” disrupted a meeting in a Metropolitan Church or a GLBT event….throwing out flyers proclaiming all gays are going to hell? Screaming at the top of their lungs that sodomy is a sin and against God’s law? (Please no lengthy threads on the actual acts of choice for gay men…)

    For all the high and mighty rhetoric of who is and who isn’t a fascist or a Nazi and past history aside, the recent history is that an election was held. I find abortion abhorrent and morally so wrong it betrays my ability to express it. I do not impose that deep response onto others; it is the law of the land and I will learn to adjust and filter my feelings. There is a process for change and I will work within the process.

    Somehow, the far left just can’t seem to understand that concept.

  4. Tucson Vice,

    I’m not really interested in taking my modern morality directly from the ancient Romans. Perhaps we should go back to slaughtering Christians in the Colluseum as well. Every credible scientific study done on the subject shows that children do best in a family with a mother and a father. This point isn’t really even debatable.

    All of those countries you mention have a lesser rate of divorce because they have a lesser rate of marriage. Additionally, each are dying as a distinctive nationality. Eighty years from now there will probably be half as many Spaniards on the Earth as there are today (birth rate < 1). Those examples show precisely the concern of supporters of traditional marriage. If marriage can mean anything, then it means nothing.

    And again, you can feel however you feel about the fourteenth amendment, but it is quite acceptable for someone to feel differently and not be a bigot. It is the law of the land, with years of legal precedent, jurisprudence, and reasoning.

    And comparing same sex marriage to slavery is just plain laughable, and intellectually lazy.

    Your pathway to victory is set, convince a majority in each state to agree with you. A good start is to stop referring to the majority as bigots, and maybe perhaps listen to opposing viewpoints and incorporate some of their concerns into your “solution.”


    Understandable that you may like John Lewis more than me, but I would refer you to the majority opinions of Baker v Nelson, Lockyear v San Francisco, Wilson v Ake, Morrison v Sadler, Hernandez v Robles, Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning, Anderson v. King County and exit polling among black voters voting on prop 8 to show that Mr. Lewis is full of crap.

    Again, it is possible to disagree with you or Mr. Lewis and not be evil or a bigot.

  5. framer,
    It’s clear you do not know who John Lewis is. Yet another reason to question your opinions relating to gay marriage and the civil rights struggle.

  6. Indeed I do know who John Lewis is, and I appreciate his service and sacrifice in the civil rights movement. It does not, however make him the sole owner or the civil rights issue. You are correct in that his opinion may carry a bit more weight, but he is now a politician which somewhat discounts my opinion of his opinions.

    I agree that “full of crap” was over the top, and he deserves better.

    So on the subject of John Lewis, who is the John Lewis of the Gay Marriage campaign? Who is standing in front of the fire hoses or attack dogs? I saw a little old lady with a cross assaulted, I don’t remember John Lewis doing that. And the degree of courage and sacrifice is significantly different.

    You want to create a new right, simply convince the voter. The way is open, and persecution is almost non-existent for the pro gay-marriage folk.

  7. Duke the Dog says

    Will one of you guys please post a new story for crying out loud!

    This one is worn out, the election is over, gay marriage in AZ is dead, let’s move on.

  8. Vucson Vice says


    The simple fact is that while you laugh at the comparison, most don’t. Marriage between homosexuals is going to be legalized. It’ll take same time, but it will happen.

    The truth is, I have no passionate stance on the issue one way or the other. I am passionate about our Constitution though and I believe that these people are being denied a right to which they are entitled.

    lastly, I don’t think you are a bigot. I never said you were. I just think you are wrong, and that your real reason for being against this has less to do with science and law than it does your religion. I don’t think you are a bigot. I’m sure you’re a nice guy or gal. I just think you’re wrong, which is fine with me.

  9. Vucson VIce,

    Gay marriage IS legal. You can walk into any gay church and have the marriage performed today in Arizona. There are no laws against it.

    There are also legal mechanisms for obtaining most any right you wish that is granted by the state’s recognition of a traditional marriage.

    For the ignorant, or blatantly dishonest fear-mongers, including Paula Aboud, Prop 102 did not change anything in Arizona in actual practice. Prop 102 was current law-light. It merely took a small portion of current marriage law and codified it into the state constitution. Anyone who knows anything about our pre-Prop 108 marriage laws should know this. Those speaking as if knowledgeable on the subject who insist on claiming that Prop 108 has denied, removed, or somehow taken away a right that was previously present should apologize and do their homework before coming back to the conversation.

    A little intellectual honesty puts the protests into perspective.

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