Dumping & Receiving the Welfare Class

With California poised to dramatically slash its welfare programs and Arizona still trying to determine how it will close the Napolitano spending spree deficit, I have to wonder if our legislators are thinking far enough ahead to prepare for a mass exodus from California? When (it’s not a matter of “if” anymore) California’s government “folds,” Arizona, Nevada, and other surrounding states should expect to be overwhelmed by those in the California welfare class crossing our border to jump on our roles. Unlike illegal immigrants, we can expect these folks to be more demanding with really no other place to go.


Comments

  1. The region called California should be so lucky as to have its government fold. I can imagine that there may not be much of an exodus as if tax consumers (government welfare recipients and government employers) were forced to get productive jobs in the private sector then demand for labor would increase, the cost of doing business would drop and all would be well.

    Is there anything I can do to end the Arizona government fold? Oh, I forgot, the Democrats, the Republicans and Jan Brewer are doing pretty well on that front.

    Tick-tock.

  2. Just curious, what people are in the “welfare class?” I guess if talking about CA, you mean people who have lost jobs or are unemployed and need assistance from CalWorks. Or is the “welfare class” the 1 million children of the working poor who will lose their health insurance? On the national stage, are all those people on Social Security and Medicare part of the “welfare class?”

  3. todd,

    Those dependent on the State of California for aid or assistance in any form. When it goes away, where do you think they will go to get it? Or, do you think they will heal thyselves, pick themselves up by the bootstraps and become taxpayers and contributors to society once again?

  4. The welfare class I think is properly defined as everyone who requires a check from the government to pay their bills, live their life, etc.. That includes public “employees” as well.

  5. DSW,

    My Grandmother’s 89-years-old, has a bad heart, and can’t drive anymore due to atherosclerosis. She relies on California’s social safety net.

    What line of work do you suggest she get into to pick herself up by her bootstraps?

  6. Sammeer,
    So teachers, nurses, doctors, secretaries, janitors, etc. who work for a living for the public are all part of the “welfare class” as well as all elderly people, disabled people, and children who are in poverty? I can’t wait to see more attacks on the “welfare class” from the right.

  7. The welfare class refers to those who are absolutely dependent on the gov. for the daily necessities. Now I am not against people receiving assistance who are outside the free marktet, ie elderly people and disabled people. Call me crazy but I believe in people, if the welfare assistance were not there people would find a way to survive and change their circumstances. Society suffers in the long run with a large dependent class.

    Klute why don’t you help you grandmother out so that money can be spent elsewhere helping people? Don’t you worry Klute a lot of people think just like you just not DSW or myself.

    Sammeer,
    “So teachers, nurses, doctors, secretaries, janitors, etc. who work for a living for the public are all part of the “welfare class”…”

    dumb comment

  8. Locke , why is it a dumb comment. Now, I don’t expect you to write an essay or anything, but explain to me how this is not what Sameer is saying.

  9. Locke,

    I was waiting for someone to say this:

    “Klute why don’t you help you grandmother out so that money can be spent elsewhere helping people? Don’t you worry Klute a lot of people think just like you just not DSW or myself.”

    I debated including it in my original comment, but I didn’t want to come across as a martyr (I wouldn’t want to muscle in on your turf).

    My uncle takes care of her, making up the slack that her pension, Social Security, and state help doesn’t cover. My cousin helps when he’s not on duty (currently he’s stationed in Dubai), and I help when my uncle asks me to come out, so he can get a weekend off here and there. I’ve offered money, it’s been refused, that may change.

    Would you also like to audit my charitable contributions and time as well?

  10. Klute,
    Interesting, your uncle refused your money but takes government welfare money. I wonder if Granny owns her home?

  11. Freedom Fighter,

    No, she doesn’t. It was sold in order to move her from Florida to California so my uncle could help take care of her better, and that was about a decade ago. Money’s all gone. She lives in an assisted living facility after she started suffering from PTSD flashbacks from her experiences in WWII, exacerbated by the atherosclerosis.

    What’s next? Attacking my cousin for accepting money from the feds to live off-base in San Diego?

    Boy, I can’t see any reason why people are fleeing the Republican Party in droves.

  12. Klute, with all of the time you sit on SA and a bunch of other sites, you could bring in more money and help grandma out. I remember when family helped each other and didn’t think it was the centralized gov’t job to create multi-generational entitlements.

    I understand the FEDERAL GOVT is hiring tons of grant writers. You’re a great writer actually and I am thinkin gram could do with some more cash. Better from a loved one than a taxed one.

  13. Reading all these comments coming after Klute, I wonder how these people all get to work everyday. You all do drive on roads subsidized by my tax dollars – you are on welfare too….

  14. Kenny Jacobs says

    Klute, you seem to have struck a nerve with all the good folks at SA. I’m blown away by their sense of decency.

  15. California has the largest and most powerful delegation in Congress, so I think it is likely that they will avoid the full trauma that their bad governance should engender. Those dependent on smaller state governments (with weaker delegations) are already starting to lose services, as evidenced by rural Michigan reverting to gravel roads:

    http://www.wwmt.com/articles/roads-1363526-mich-counties.html

    I suspect that the point of Klute’s example is that “welfare class” is a loaded term, bringing to mind Ayn Rand’s looters and moochers. When I think of my own recently deceased Grandmother, who worked and paid into the government for over 50 years, I feel she earned every penny of Social Security/Medicare given to her and then some. Not every dependent on the state is a moocher, and in as much as the term “welfare class” connotes such a person it is a distraction from DSW’s actual point that a collapse in California would result in problems for neighboring states.

    As to that point, of course it would.

  16. Abilard you are partially correct that one point is the use of “welfare class” and the insinuation in that term.

    As to the likelihood of a mass exodus from California, in fact studies have shown that it is quite difficult for people who lose benefits in one state to simply pick up and move to another and this typically does not happen. Also, since one requirement for welfare in AZ is being a bona fide resident and this requires proof of living in the state for 6 months, it seems a even more unlikely our system will be overwhelmed by people coming from California.

  17. Gayle,

    While I appreciate your praise of my writing abilities, you do realize that the grant writing I’ve been involved in has been for money from the government, right?

    Specifically, the NEA, the cities of Phoenix and Mesa, and other groups – most of which, even if privately managed, get cash from the government.

    What you’re suggesting is commonly know as “robbing Peter to pay Paul”.

    It also presupposes that I am opposed to government involvement in health care – I am not. In fact, I think it’s criminal that we don’t have a single-payer plan – having access to health care is not “the government handing out free Cadillacs”.

  18. Agreed, Todd, that the most desperate have trouble relocating from one apartment to another, much less moving cross-state or across country. However, if California’s government were to collapse, then I think a lot of people who currently view themselves as independent of the government there would rapidly discover that they are not and therefore have massive incentives to move to neighboring states. I don’t think California will be allowed to collapse in the short term, but, if it were then Arizona would have difficulty absorbing and employing all the formerly “middle class” folks who would likely head its way.

  19. Abilard – I agree the operative word is “collapse.” Yes, a true collapse would be devastating for the region and country as a whole.

  20. That was sarcasm Klute, as the only new jobs coming from the govt involve generating funds from the govt to others receiving the govt money–all of which is our money and our taxes.

    I still think you’re a good writer. I also think the concept of comments creates contention rather than civic debate. But I can’t jump in the pool or test the water, and still complain it’s cold.

    I honor it’s value and realize the tensions over politics are growing everywhere; so is the negativity. It’s like the Lakers game rioting. All love the game, know it’s a game, but then take it all too seriously.

    This writer wishes you well too, but know that the snake eating it’s tail of political chat gets old. I’m a feature writer at heart anyway.

    All the best Klute, et al — SA: DSW and the crew-have a great summer.

  21. Gayle,

    Know that I took the writer compliment sincerely – I’ve enjoyed your posts even if I disagreed with them. Enjoy your summer.

    P.S. – Didn’t get the sarcasm. 🙂

  22. Agh – and none of that above was sarcastic. I meant to say “I did not get the sarcasm of your previous post”.

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