CD-8 race heats up.

     President of the Senate Tim Bee made it official this weekend and formally announced that he is a candidate for congress. The event marked former Congressman Jim Kolbe’s return to the political stage. Michael over at Blog for Arizona even had some nice photos of the event. I was not able to attend due to a scheduling conflict with Tucson’s largest annual pro-life event.

Bee for Congress.jpg

     Tom over at ThinkRight has been diligently posting links to news stories about the race. One of his links led us to Congressional Quarterly. While on the site we noticed they are forecasting the race as Leans Democratic.

     Senator Bee will be facing off against incumbent Representative Gabrielle Giffords and independent Derek Tidball. Mr. Tidball is not that well known in the district but received some nice coverage in Tuesday’s Tucson Citizen. While local party insiders have been busy archiving Reagan and dismissing Lincoln candidate Tidball is praising Newt Gingrich and agreeing with State Representative Russell Pearce. Yes, the same Russell Pearce that strongly supported the last Republican nominee for CD-8, Randy Graf.

What is it they say about politics and bedfellows?


  1. kralmajales says

    Hmmm strange bedfellows? Maybe not. Candidate Tidball appears to be interested in what anti-immigration and social conservatives say. He very well may be interested in capturing the dissatisfaction with some in both parties about immigration and certainly may be making a play with some conservatives who might see Bee as a bit too much of a compromiser on such things as the Governor’s budget last year, Rio Nuevo funding, etc.

    Sounds pretty smart to me…but he will need money.

  2. Tidball+$=Giffords win

  3. If Derek Tidball had a “-R” after his name and the ability/backing to raise several hundred thousand, Kral would be bashing him.

  4. I got this email from an influential blogger here in Cochise County.:

    Randy Graf is a more gracious person than myself.

    Gail Griffith needs to expand the “no fly zone” to include all of eastern Cochise County.

    “You are known by the company that you keep.”

    My neighbors and I have some serious reservations concerning any support for Tim Bee because of his affiliation with Jim Kolbe. Kolbe may still have political clout but that is only valid once elected. In the mean time if the affiliation causes a loss of votes, of what value is the clout?

    The antics and tactics of Mr. Kolbe during the last election cycle has put off a number of people who are considering joining the ranks of the Independents. Mr. Kolbe’s clout is apparently sufficient to have the State Republican leadership turn a blind eye as to what was happening in CD8.

    His bringing in big national dollars to influence the primary elections, with the apparent indifference of the state party leaders, was a slap in the face to the local voters. He blatantly campaigned for Gabby. I do not know, but would like to, if any of the national Republican dollars brought in were spent on Gabby. Now he wants us to believe that he wants to unseat her?

    He was working for the Democrats, and may well still be. He was paid for his efforts by Governor Janet appointing him to chair a commission. That position is a political plumb and I doubt that the Governor appointed him because of his winning smile. There are not many political plumbs that a Arizona Governor has and are sparingly dealt out to people to whom the Governor’s party owes favors.

  5. kralmajales says

    Oh Bob,

    Don’t get me wrong…I WONT be voting for him and I DONT accept his policies. Let me come clearly clean on that, as you suggest in your post.

    What I AM saying is that he may very well appeal to some in your party like the persons that James (in the post above me note), he might appeal to veterans and soldiers, etc.

    I find it fascinating and see his campaign as a big big problem for Bee…he won’t raise enough dough to win, he won’t get enough votes to win (I think), but he will provide a great deal of discussion about what Bee lacks for conservatives…

    My guess is that you are as worried about him as I do know that he is a danger to Bee.

  6. Kral, Derek told me he will pull out of the race if he is no polling enough to win. So put it out of your mind. This is happening within the District by two bloggers who LIVE IN THE DISTRICT!

    Tim Richardson and R.W. Masterson

    Tim Richardson wrote:

    Mr. Masterson

    I could not agree with you less.

    The flip side of “Let’s get over the petty attachment to the past” is the consideration that those that do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

    I for one do not believe that the good old boys, incumbents, in Washington should be able to attempt to influence a primary election. As has been done in the last three elections.

    I do not believe that the self described elite at the party headquarters in Phoenix should meddle in the primary elections.

    And I believe that the people in the leadership positions at the State level should be making honest efforts to ensure that those influences do not occur.

    Many of those staunch Republicans did not vote because Jim Kolbe influenced them not to. They had a greater loyalty to Jim Kolbe than they did to the Republican Party. When it came to the general election Kolbe dumped the party.

    So much for Republican Party loyalties. And your philosophy that any Republican is better than none.

    I followed the comments in the AZ Star for the articles for both Bee’s and Gifford’s announcements of opening campaigns over the weekend. The comments on either article indicated that not many are happy with Gabby, even those within her party. But there were a number of, appearing Democrats, who welcomed the participation of Mr. Kolbe as a positive for their side. Many of the comments concerning Tim Bee were cautionary supportive with the caution being the inclusion of Jim Kolbe.

    Jim Kolbe may be some sort of hero in Pima County and at the State Party Headquarters but he certainly does not garner that admiration in Cochise County and especially in Eastern Cochise County.

    I do not need to shoot myself in the foot to know that it hurts.

    Do you want someone in the seat that is a Republican or that merely calls themselves a Republican?

    The point being with things as they are, Tim Bee will have a more difficult time demonstrating that he is, in fact, a Republican to a significant number of individuals who have been loyal Republicans for a great number of years and are tired of the shenanigans that make their votes seem empty and of no value.

    From: Masterson
    Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM
    To: T
    Cc: Pete Davis; Meg Econ; PIMAGOP
    Subject: Re: Randy Graf and the 1200 Club

    This is the kind of attitude that elected Gabby. There were staunch Republicans who would not vote for Randy under any circumstances so we lost those votes.

    Graff and Kolbe have been mortal enemies since the 2000 election.

    Kolbe is the “honorary Chair”. If that makes you want to keep Giffords in office then we are in trouble and might as well just pack it in.

    Do you want a Republican representing you in CD8? If you do then get behind Tim Bee. If you don’t care one way or the other you could just stay home or you could work for Giffords.

    As for me, I want a Republican in this seat and I believe strongly that Tim Bee is our best bet. Let’s get over the petty attachment to the past and get something done for the people of southern Arizona.

  7. Kral

    We’re probably in agreement on the five things that Tidball needs to be a contender…money, money, money, money, and money, not necessarily in that order.

    So the Citizen and Star can give him some coverage in a lame attempt to help Gabby. The Star even went to the extent of making the Bee announcement all about Gabby. And they completely buried the story of the nice illegal immigrants coming here to improve their impoverished lives in a Hummer, killing–brutally running over–a US Border Patrol Agent of Hispanic descent, father of two or three, but I guess that’s another rant. Anyway, the point here is that Tim will have the money to reach out to the voters and he’ll have a unified GOP behind him. He’s got real leadership experience in the Arizona legislature, not the unremarkable tenure that Gabby had in state office. Tim’s a leader and Gabby’s a follower.

    I don’t know if Derek is a danger to Bee or not. I commend his service to our country and I am glad to see that Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans are starting to run for office, I think we need more of them. He’s a candidate and he’ll add to the dialogue in any bipartisan debates. In order to get his message out to the masses though, he’ll need to raise money.

    I think it’s highly unlikely that he and Tim would be throwing mud at each other…furthermore, I would have to think that Gabby would offend his sensibilities much more than Tim would. I think that once he got going he’d do more to point out what a fraud that Gabby is on supporting the troops and her promise to help Veterans manifested by her inaction on using her position on the HASC to further the Wounded Warrior Bill when it was stalled for months. I’d probably say that Gabby has more to be worried about with Derek in the race. She’s got a record now (opposes the “surge”, delayed funding for MRAPS putting troops in harms way for the sake of political gamesmanship, didn’t work to get a vote on Wounded Warrior Bill) and who better to call her on it than a fellow candidate who is a Veteran. Chips come down, I think she’s got a lot more to be worried about with Derek in the race. That coupled with the fact that she won’t have the crossover Republican votes she enjoyed in 2006 spells big trouble for her.

  8. Kralmajales says

    You really don’t think Giffords will get crossover GOP votes? I don’t think she will get as many as with Graf, but I don’t see her losing all that many. Bee desperately needs the independents…they are leaning strongly Democrat…and those that aren’t, I bet will have some appeal to Derek. Finally, Derek, are ya listening (free advice here), the anti-immigration, pro-soldier Republican is far more likely to support someone like you than someone like Bee…if you can get your message out.

    I suspect Mr. Tidball will be able to do some real damage in Cochise…the place that Bee has to win BIG…in order to win.

  9. Kral,

    You puffing without evidence. This isn’t like you. I know Derek and I like him. But he is a nonpresence in Cochise County. Few if any even know that he is around.

    Second, where do you get the idea that you get any cross over votes? The Kolbe-Graf thing has more play than Tidball. Graffites will not vote for Tidball. Even if they were to raki his site, his views on le migre are too soft. Graffites may withhold support. Rank and File and country clubbers will vote for Tim Bee. There too many of his supporters in the 1200 club and elsewhere.

    I can’t speak for the Pima party.

    Third, both parties are losing members. We still have more. Independents are moving away from conservatives not conservatism. Independents may have a feel good liberal wild hair but they are also rejecting liberalism though not individual liberals (like Obama).

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