Boy Scouts morphing into Brown Shirts?

IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.   The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM!

New York Times, May 13, 2009 Link Here “Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists and More”  Pay attention to who the ‘bad guy’ was in this drill…

This program is operating in one of California’s poorest counties and is recruiting marginal kids with a “C” average as young at 13 years old.  And once these kids are trained, how long will it be before some will find the wages offered by Los Zetas much more attractive than what Homeland Security can offer?

Please when you read this, go back to this article on the nexis of H.R. 2159 and the Ministry of Internal Security’s “you might be a terrorist if” list.

When a government begins to act out of concert with its people, and tyranny begins to take form,  Officer Friendly soon becomes ‘The Enforcer’.

I’m leaving you with this jewel of a research piece by the CATO Institute,

Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America

footnote: the title is not a reference to race for my liberal readers, it is a reference to history.


  1. “footnote: the title is not a reference to race for my liberal readers, it is a reference to history.”

    While it’s obvious what you’re refering to, perhaps your familiar with the literary device the “double-entendre”?

  2. This is a strange post. Certainly the Boy Scouts have a long history as a militaristic youth organization, but I am surprised to see the criticism on this blog. Just as the Scouts were originally started to help impose patriotism during a time of worry about immigration, what is happening now seems likely to have the same purpose or as one person said in the article – “…this is about being a true-blooded American guy and girl,”

    It is also somewhat strange to see criticism of a program that is clearly meant to direct young people into the career of law enforcement. The summary of the article here makes it seem like these are all ‘C’ students but in factt his is only the minimum that is needed to be in the program, it says nothing about the averages of those actually participating.

    Rather than being ‘marginal’ kids (interesting that this is what was interpreted from the article even though one kid said he wanted to be a lawyer) these sound like kids who are looking to be involved in extra-curricular activities that will keep them off the streets and expose them to some opportunities.

    VV, says this is not about race, and maybe the title wasn’t, but if these were white kids I bet you this would be applauded. What I am hearing in this argument is that these kids aren’t worth helping because they might wind up in a mercenary army – a truly amazing claim. Really, think about what is being said here.

  3. Veritas Vincit says

    Klute, that’s even a stretch for you. Nice try though, but history’s on my side.

    And I’m remembering the famous German quote; “When they came for the Jews I didn’t speak up, when they came for the Catholics, I didn’t speak up, when they came for the Protestants, I didn’t speak up. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak up.”

    Maybe its “rightwing extremists” today…

  4. Veritas Vincit says

    Todd, where do you ever make this stuff up???

    the Boy Scouts “…have a long history as a militaristic youth organization”

    That’s really over the top.

  5. Veritas Vincit says

    Todd, go learn history before you continue to embarrass yourself further.

    “…if these were white kids I bet you this would be applauded”

  6. Veritas Vincit,
    Actually it is not over the top at all and maybe you should learn your history. The original idea for the Boy Scouts came from Britain and come from the experience of Lord Robert Baden-Powell who had formed a troop of boy volunteers during the Boer War. So from the beginning this is where it comes from. Later in Britain there where Air Scouts and Sea Scouts who were related to the Air force and Navy.

    It made its way across the Atlantic when the founder of the Boy Scouts of America, Ernest Seton, read Baden-Powell scout training book. Scouting in America was certainly model after aspects of the military with its salutes and uniforms. I mean seriously VV, Scouts are organized in ‘troops’ and ‘patrols.’ You are really suggesting these are militaristic? They were setup to prepare boys to join the military.

    I also understand who the Brown Shirts were and as I said that is besides the point. The main reasons you cite for being concerned about this is because these Boy Scouts are receiving some training they might join a Mexican mercenary army rather than become law enforcement officers. If they were white this would not even be brought up. Instead of seeing kids who are trying to find a career path in what you conservatives would normally see as a positive occupation, you see ‘marginal’ brown skinned kids who are ready to betray their country or persecute good, white conservatives.

  7. JR Snyder Jr says

    This other story also from the NY Times “Mexican Data Say Migration to U.S. Has Plummeted” ( )

    It’s amazing the amount of money spent after 9-11 militarizing local police forces and no one batted an eye. We have legitimate concerns about terrorists and illegal immigrants but some of us, who aren’t liberals or squishy, warned that it could be turned against any of us if we didn’t safeguard our own liberty. Of course all that happened is we were called liberals…but who knew about Obama?

    With that as backdrop it seemed inevitable these Explorer Troops that started well over a decade ago would become fast track training for kids to become Border Patrol Agents, Corrections Officers, Riot Police…they start so young they never even think about what they’re doing.

    How odd for a liberal to argue that this is a good career path for these “brown skinned kids” and to assume conservatives see it as a “positive occupation” for “white kids.” You ought to study labor history (not the unionist state university claptrap) to see that historically, since the Industrial Revolution major companies and the federal agencies, routinely technologically displaced workers, inherently not a bad thing, to save costs. The jobs however became more unskilled and mass recruiting occurred of large minority groups to fill those jobs as an “upgrade” to them because white workers weren’t taking them. See Detroit Auto Makers and The Bell System, et al.

  8. JR Snyder Jr , I do not label myself a liberal and was quite worried about the militarization of local police forces and the extension of police powers after 9-11 which of course was actually a trend initiated under Clinton. I certainly batted an eye as did many people who are on the left so perhaps you should have been looking for some common cause with us. What I heard from conservative Republicans were unqualified defenses for every post 9-11 abuse of civil liberties and extension of state police powers. I believe when we pointed it out we weren’t called liberals – I believe we were called traitors.

    I did not say I thought this was a good career path – I don’t. I certainly agree that this is a type of indoctrination. My point, which I thought was quite clear, was to point out the blatant racism in assuming that because of these kids ethnicity they are less able to make good decisions than others. Comments about “brown skinned kids” were of course sarcastic. However, I do imagine that this image of Hispanic kids brandishing “weapons” might cause some of the regulars on here to go a little crazy when they would not if these kids were white. Are you arguing that this has nothing to do with the response?

    I am aware of labor history and you are correct that the government and companies have in fact utilized all sorts of power, including force, to manipulate labor. At times this has even occurred in areas of law enforcement. However, since I am not arguing for this program, I am not sure what your point is directed at me.

  9. JR Snyder Jr – one more thing. The article you link to is interesting, but illegal immigration has in fact been falling since its height in the later 90’s. Interesting that one would think the opposite if listening only to conservatives.

  10. Going after the boy scouts? Lame.

  11. VV,

    I am disappointed in you. Saying this is not about race does not absolve you from the fact this is about race. Your post tend to be highly intellectually and I considered to be even handed. Today, I felt a sickness in my stomach from your post. You imply because these kids are brown that they are some how going to be atracted to the Zetas? How about the chances are that they are more likely to end up in law enforcement or the military serving there country? Twenty percent of our military look like these kids. Because they are brown does not mean that will betray their country. This is the boy scouts for god sake, we should want as many children of immigrant kids to join the boy scouts and learn as much as possible about being a good American citizen.
    VV I can not honestly believe that you feel these kids are a threat to our nation? Your post is essentially saying that the boy scouts are training future terrorists. VV you and SA are better than this.

  12. While there is influence on each Troop by the National Boy Scout organization, the real influence is the leadership of each troop and the required adherence to the policies of the sponsoring organization. I was a Scoutmaster for 9 years. I am an Eagle Scout. My two sons are Eagle Scouts. Over the years I have found my disappointment with the Scouting program growing; not because it has become too “militant” but because it has become too liberal and soft. A lot of the requirements for advancement in Boy Scouts are being “dumbed” down rather than elevated for personal achievement. I taught my scout shooting skills and survival skills, games like “capture the flag” were common on camp outs as was “counting coup”. We strongly enforced the Citizenship requirements with knowledge of the Constitution and encouraged Patriotism and the quest of freedom afforded through the Constitution, supporting individual freedom.
    Just because there is one group doing “commando” style activities, doesn’t mean that all boy scout troops are. And, shooting activities, like this one, are actually against national scout policy. You can’t live in a society with a “what if” mentality and find any peace. Groups will constantly be at odds and wary of each other – not very conducive of a peaceful, trusting society. What if earth is hit by a meteor tomorrow, what if the insurgents get nuclear weapons from Pakistan, what if, what if, what if – eventually the watchers and controllers become that which they were watching and controlling. God Save America!

  13. tucsonbil says

    Todd .. take your meds dude and quit responding – You are making the author look intelligent.

  14. tucsonbil,
    Thanks for the advice. Lisa made my point more succinctly than I did so I have nothing more to say on the topic. It is unfortunate that on this site people respond to things in the manner you do – indicating anyone who comes from a different point of view as you is stupid or has psychological problem rather than actually determining the validity of what they are saying because, hey, anyone who disagrees with you can’t possibly be right. Good way to stay ignorant. I hope it keeps working for all of you who do this.

  15. Veritas Vincit says

    Todd, you are a sterling example of what our schools are producing today. Oh and Todd, I was a Scout and my father a Scoutmaster. Don’t tell us how it is ok, please?

    Lisa, do you know geography? El Centro is a border town and the Zetas are recruiting from our side of the border now. Do you know the history of the Zetas? Who trained the first group and why? Why they became the thugs for the narco-terrorists? How much they offer new recruits? How much training they provide their new recruits?

    There is no way the offer of the Zetas isn’t appealing – to any youth of any race. Drive into Agua Prieta and you’ll see recruiting signs for the Zetas.

    I am quite familiar with the economics of both the border and El Centro, Imperial County California. The Zetas have an advantage over Homeland Security in terms of offers.

    Bottom line is I didn’t like them selecting a poor border town with marginal kids (what Haamas does) to give them a sense of belonging to “the government” with “a badge” and using a Veteran as the “subject” of the raid.

    Folks, its not about race – get over it. As I’ve said, can’t go to a family event without our delegation of undocumented migrants in attendance. And next Saturday I’m going to my best friends 50th wedding anniversary fiesta complete with a Mariachi band from south of here…

  16. Veritas Vincit says

    … oh, and it wasn’t an Hispanic veteran either, but the “kiddie swat team” was. Racist? You make the call.

  17. “Klute, that’s even a stretch for you. Nice try though, but history’s on my side.”

    Actually, it’s not really a stretch. “Brown Shirts”, as historically contextualized by the 30s facists works in this context as well, as Latino kids militarized in service for a crime syndicate.

    But basically, what Lisa said. You believe there’s a better chance these kids will sell out their country because they’re poor and brown. That would be akin to a British person suggesting poor scouts in Northern Ireland are likely to join the Real IRA when they grow up.

    “Maybe its ‘rightwing extremists’ today…”

    For someone who claims to have a good grasp on the past, you sure need to crack open a history book.

  18. LOL my baby turned out soo cute using this baby face generator

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