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A m e r i c a n P o s t – G a z e t t e
Distributed by C O M M O N S E N S E , in Arizona
Wednesday, September 5, 2012
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“The sacrifice of my law license in defense of the rule of law was small in comparison.” Um, you and Joe may have been on the right trail but badly botched the investigation and attempted litigation and that’s why you lost your license. Many of the allegations in the RICO suit were likely accurate but the handling of the matter by you and your “team” is why you lost your license. Your political agenda superseded your ethical responsibility. Instead of pushing you to victory it put you on the sidelines as an irrelevant object lesson in the need to control ambition. Too bad, too, because those who put you there (O’Neil especially) certainly are not without sin.
This is most certainly an appropriate forum in which to express your subjective opinions, EVRed, but let us not conflate subjective opinion with objective fact! The fact remains that the investigation was closed and no charges were brought. What would constitute more of an objective exoneration than that? Are you able to accept that objective fact?
As to the loss of license issue, I think we need to look at the process by which that comes about. It starts with a complaint filed with the State Bar of Arizona. Here are some facts which you may not know about the State Bar of Arizona:
“The State Bar of Arizona is a special administrative arm of the Arizona Supreme Court. The State Bar of Arizona is Arizona’s licensing authority for attorneys, and the de facto statewide bar association. The State Bar of Arizona has existed in its current form (as an integrated mandatory membership organization) in 1933.”
“The State Bar of Arizona Board of Governors oversees the policy making and operation of the organization. The Board is comprised of 30 people: four non-attorney, public members appointed by the Board; three at-large members appointed by the Arizona Supreme Court; 19 attorney members elected by fellow Bar members in their district; and four ex-officio members (immediate past president and the deans of Arizona’s three law schools).”
So there are four non-attorney, public members of the Board of Govenors of the Arizona State Bar BUT those non-attorney, public members are APPOINTED by the Board itself!
Three, out of thirty Board members, are APPOINTED by the Arizona Supreme Court.
Ninteen attorney members are elected BUT by fellow Bar members!
Four Board members consist of the immediate past president and the deans of Arizona’s three law schools!
In short, the people of Arizona have no means of exacting accountability from the powerful legal entity known as the State Bar of Arizona! It is a closed, self-regulating entity which functions entirely outside of the direct or indirect control of the electorate while it has far-reaching potent powers. There is also a potential conflict of interest inherent in the disbarment process!
A judge is involved in the disbarment process. In order to be a judge in Arizona one must hold a license to practice law. In order to hold a license to practice law in Arizona it is mandatory that one be a member of the State Bar Association. So all Arizona judges are beholden to the State Bar for their continued ability to serve as a judge.
So we have an organization charged with the management of disbarment procedings which is not accountable to the people and which holds sway over any judge involved with disbarment action! Do you think that allows sufficient latitude for political considerations to rear their ugly head?
Gosh CA thanks for the detailed if tedious lesson on the Arizona Bar Association. I didn’t need it but it kept you busy for a few minutes.
I bet the burden of trying to keep all us lesser minds in line is pretty exhausting by days end. Maybe a nap would help.
You say, “The fact remains that the investigation was closed and no charges were brought. What would constitute more of an objective exoneration than that? Are you able to accept that objective fact?” Well CA if you are referring to the DOJ investigation ending without charges, I refer you to “wherewasI’s” post below. His comments are right on point.
The “objective fact” is that there simply was not enough material evidence to move to the charging phase…something that never deterred Thomas and his team. The other fact is that Thomas’ handling of the matters he investigated and later charged were so biased and muddled that there was no way a competent prosecutor could have salvaged the cases for legitimate prosecution after he was out of the picture.
And I’m really glad to hear it’s okay by you that I post my “subjective opinions” here. Gosh, I’d hate to think I had to stick to unconflated subjectivity. Thanks for the permission.
LOL! Nice snark, EVRed!
Let’s cut to the bottom line, EVRed. The investigation was terminated. No charges were brought. Nothing you say changes that one iota. Sorry that you are disappointed. Now you have to dismantle the gallows you built and were so eager to use, LOL!
As regards the comment by “wherewasi”, it seems that you need to hear the same thing I told him/her.
This is The United States of America. Our legal system incorporates the idea of “presumption of innocence”. That means that an idividual is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law. So the failure of Eric Holder’s Department of Justice to prove guilt in a court of law equals innocence. No proclamation of innocence by B. Hussein Obama’s Department of Justice is required.
I know it hurts, EVRed. I feel your pain but you need to toughen up for the even more painful news coming in November when B. Hussein Obama gets his White House eviction notice.
Have a nice day, EVRed!
Everybody in Arizona knows the Maricopa Country Board of Supervisors is as corrupt and “open borders” as they come, primarily due to that sitting pile of Crisco, Mary Rose Lardcox. ALL of this battle started when MCBOS, via Lardcox, pulled funding from the MCSO for human smuggling – which had been allocated by the Arizona legislature. Thus, we see pro-illegal street scum cheering the lost law license of Thomas.
Andrew Thomas is one of few politicians you can count on one hand who did EXACTLY what he promised when running for county attorney, and this is his reward. Had the guy who shot Lardcox in the ass a few years back aimed a little higher, none of this would have ever happened. Now this gob is STILL in office, stuffing her ballooned gut with a million dollars of taxpayer money, and the open-borders filth are creaming their jeans.
Your points get lost, zoo, when you say something like: “Had the guy who shot Lardcox in the ass a few years back aimed a little higher, none of this would have ever happened.”
I could be wrong but I don’t believe that you would engage in or actually condone that kind of violence. If I’m right, please don’t misrepresent yourself as having a cavalier attitude about that sort of thing. You do yourself a disservice when you say things like that.
Point taken, CA.
Thanks for being receptive, zoo!
You can be awesome when you discipline yourself to make an objective case based upon facts. You have a LOT of useful and valuable information in that impressive brain of yours. We need your voice. Give us your best and clearest voice!
Mr. Thomas was rightfully disbarred. He needs to put on his thinking cap and re-read the letter from the US Dept. of Justice to Bill Montgomery.
NO WHERE in that letter does the DOJ say that anyone was “cleared” or that they “did nothing wrong”.
What the letter says is that there is insufficient proof of criminal intent to pursue charges.
A lot of double-speak, to be sure. (Read page 4 about Donahoe’s federal right to do a state job – that was just talking in circles.) But I did not see anything that says “Arpaio and Thomas did nothing wrong”. In fact, I believe that they have closed the current investigation because of double-jeopardy rules that would preclude them from filing charges in the future, should they pursue this now. I would not be surprised to find that a new grand jury may be seated after the November elections and with Eric Holder out of the picture.
Excuse me, wherewasi, but here in The United States of America our legal system presumes people to be innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. So it isn’t necessary for anyone to declare that Arpaio is “cleared” or that he “did nothing wrong”. It is presumed that he did nothing wrong unless and until wrongdoing is proven, beyond reasonable doubt, in a court of law.
Your specualtion about the future is just that, speculation. It would be good, however, if you were to become clear in your mind that we don’t need declarations of innocence here in America.
@CA — I totally agree with your above statement. Problem for you is, that same argument applies to Supervisors Staple and Wilcox. Just sayin’.
Hey, Slim!
Your only error is in thinking that that would constitute a problem for me.
Not my problem!
“Stapley”
“Lardcox”
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg23/scaled.php?server=23&filename=recallwilcox.png&res=landing
ROFL! That IS pretty funny, zoo!
Thanks CA. Just trying to ‘a-slim-ulate’ the downtrodden.
“Federal judge OKs section of Arizona immigration law allowing police to question status of suspected illegals”
“Published September 05, 2012
Associated Press”
“PHOENIX – A federal judge ruled Wednesday that Arizona authorities can enforce the most contentious section of the state’s immigration law, which critics have dubbed the “show me your papers” provision.”
“The ruling by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton clears the way for police to carry out the requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those they suspect are in the country illegally.”
“The provision has been at the center of a two-year legal battle that resulted in a U.S. Supreme Court decision in June upholding the requirement, ruling against the Obama administration, which filed the initial challenge.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/05/federal-judge-oks-arizona-immigration-law-section-allowing-police-to-question/?test=latestnews
More bad news for the Reconquistas! First, the “abuse-of-power” investigation into Sheriff Arpaio by the Obama DOJ is dropped. Then, after losing before SCOTUS, the Obama DOJ has to resign itself to the “show me your papers” provision of SB 1070. Looks like something is rolling downhill for the “open border” folks!
Mr. Thomas, you should be ashamed of yourself for touting the value of a grand jury in determining charges. You apparently forgot how you and Ms. Aubuchon ignored the findings of the grand jury who voted to ‘end the inquiry’ on the RICO case. You lost your license because you only believe in the grand jury when they agree with your opinion. Read up on your Bar Ethics on that topic.
Actually, wherewasi, it is the Arizona Bar Association which needs to read up on “ethics”!
While the State Bar has no problem conducting disbarment proceedings, it does so while knowingly tolerating an inherent conflict of interest. That is not ethical by any standard!
When the State Bar seeks disbarment, it goes before a judge. In order to be a judge in Arizona one must be a lawyer. In order to be a lawyer in Arizona, it is mandatory that one be a member of the State Bar of Arizona. That is not optional.
So we have a situation in disbarment proceedings where the State Bar of Arizona is asking a judge to find in favor of their findings and their recommendation for disbarment while that judge is beholden to the State Bar of Arizona to continue to serve as a judge! That is classic conflict of interest and the State Bar of Arizona knows that… and that’s just the way they like it!