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Justice Department exonerates Arpaio & Thomas on prosecution of County Supervisors and judge
September 1, 2012 by 66 Comments
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!! Stop spending our money on frivolous witch hunts against conservatives!!!!!!!!!
Good for Tom Morrissey stepping up to the plate. Glad to see the GOP leadership standing up for truth and justice.
What is wrong with supervisor Andrew Kunasek? He opposed the million dollar payoff to Wilcox, so I thought he had figured out how dirty and slimy the others are. He DISAGREES with the liberal Obama administration, and would rather continue to spend MY MONEY on a fruitless witchhunt? He is up for reelection this year against a Randy Parraz Democrat. You’d think he would run to the right, not the left of the Obama administration!
It’s a “Heads I win, tails you lose!” game, County Employee. Give voters a choice between a “modearte” Republican and a “progressive” Democrat and the leftist, corrupt agenda can’t lose! THAT is what the big battle within the Republican Party is all about.
County Employee,
Kunasek has long been an Andy Thomas opponent. He has gone to Republican District meetings and castigated Thomas. He needs to be thrown out of office.
Thanks to American Post-Gazette and teaparties like Arizona Project 2012 for continuing to cover this growing scandal. I was unaware of the part about Judge O’Neil. Sounds like he needs to be removed from office. Maybe this is something the Arizona legislature can look into. Abuse of the judiciary and the State Bar needs to be stopped.
Arizona Project 2012 is not Tea Party, never will be, taking money from QC and having members put up false PAC’s is not Tea Party.
JPG, The 2012 project is exactly that, a Tea Party. Oh I forgot they did nto endorse Jimmy Deakin or VanStynwick, or Ron Paul. Your prefered fools like yourself.
Frankly, the Board of Supervisors and County Manager should have been
under investigation not Arpaio and Thomas.
But the Federal Government and Maricopa County officialdom have a very
strong interest in protecting, not stopping or even reducing, illegal immigration.
The issue has also created an ugly alliance between the militant ethnic-centrists of
the Democratic Party and Republican business elites!
This will not change until Arizona alters it’s “Tourism uber alles” business template!
In ten years, Maricopa County will another Los Angeles County….and with the same
social and fiscal problems!
Some future!
The man who SAVED Arizona from being another LA County TODAY has been removed by the Mormon pro-illegal, anti-law, pro-amnesty cabal in Mesa, and installed two amnesty-sucking Mormon RINOs in his place. And the think their boy Romney is well on his way to the presidency where the Mormon agenda will cram the Utah Compact down America’s throat. Then you have the dirt-eating hard core party Republican primary voters who said YES! to illegal immigration with their overwheming votes for Jeff Flake. The Mormons and the GOP can stick it up their ass. The Republicans STILL think they can have their cheap-labor cheap-sales and take over Washington? They are going down for the absolute last time.
Of course you meant to say STICK IT SIDEWAYS!
Forget about the Utah Compact check out the Arizona Accord http://www.azaccord.com/ and their endorsers.
Forgot about the RINO Mormon faction within the GOP and ask why Mitt Romney, is he the fabricated White Horse Prophet http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/. ?
How many of muslim prophet Muhammad predictions fail, all it takes is one to be a false prophet. How many of mormon prophet Smith prophets failed?
This pamphlet http://www.reynoldsnet.org/lds_teachings_mitt_vs_paul_2012.pdf was originally created in 2008 and updated for the 2012 elction, by young Mormon adults in the Phoenix area, who completed their mission and entered the real world. If anyone has a grasps of their faith and those within their faith, it’s them as expressed in this handout.
Now ask yourself, who voted for Flake besides Cardon by forcing the early ballot vote to Flake by dropping his TV ads on the first day to early vote, along with The Arizona Republic National Political Reporter Dan Nowicki writing two articles stating that Cardon looks like he’s dropping out of the race.
The filth backing the “Arizona Accord” is the same filth that fought Prop 200 eight years ago. Filth never sleeps.
“…When we learn how many people there are and what their individual circumstances are, then we can decide how to proceed with each individual…” – Mitt Romney 2007
http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=416117
In an NBC interview before Romney’s acceptance speech, Paul Ryan basicially stated that the GOP platform and Romney’s agenda do not necessarily track – when the topic was abortion. So where else dosen’t it track?
For extra texture, here is the Chile Con Carne Republicans (Feb. 2012) praising Paul Ryan’s 2005 amnesty suck, two years before the Bush-Kennedy-McCain AmnestyThon:
http://cafeconlecherepublicans.com/paul-ryan-deserves-conservative-praise
The Republicans brought us Obama by racketeering-in amnesty whore John “Sell’m Bud Light” McCain to pick right up where George W. Filth left off. Now they’ve done it AGAIN with Romney. In this case, two strikes and you’re out. The perfect storm.
Interesting finds, Zoo!
There are several questions in my mind. First, is Romney going to follow the stated policies of the LDS Church regarding illegal immigration and illegal immigrants? We saw the LDS Church play out that one politically with Lewis versus Pearce.
Secondly, I’m wondering if there will be a Jon Huntsman appointment in the Romney administration and, if so, to what position would he be appointed?
Lastly, I’m wondering how the American people are reading what is behind this push by both “establisment” Republicans AND “progressive” Democrats for amnesty for illegal aliens? Do they think that it’s only about “cheap labor” or do they detect something deeper and more far-reaching than that?
IMHO, Zoo, it would help in making your points if you would turn down the “colorful” speech. Sometimes the content can end up taking second place to the rhetoric.
CA, I found the material on Ryan the night he was picked by Romney. The one on Romney I found in 2007 when he was running the last time. Will Romney follow the Mormon doctrine? I think the odds are more than favorable, it just won’t be right away and it will be simply brushed off in the Republicrat vernacular: “well…gee…this ISN’T amnesty…they have to pay a fine with their Earned Income refunds…”
Imagine what a Romney-brand amnesty would do for his church’s (fast growing religion in U.S.) proselytising and recruitment. The GOP (2001-2009) strapped themselves to a time bomb and they now know a major amnesty is the only way to defuse it.
Huntsman, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and death-warmed-over McCain are highly suspect for administration slots. After ten years in the immigration battle, I think most every American has the incentives for the oligarchy’s murderous hunger for amnesty tatooed on their forearm: cheap labor, cheap retail sales, and cheap votes – all subsidized by a bankrupt America. Our government at every level has been infiltrated by Chamber of Commerce coverts, immigration lawyers, and religion-injected amnesty whores.
So now my personal November dinner plate includes Romney, Flake, Parker, and immigration lawyer and the AZCOC’s 2010 “Legislator of the Year” Adam Driggs (inherited from redistricting). No thanks, I’m not hungry.
The primary was eye-opening. The Re-Mormon-cans locked arms with Randy Parraz (a DEMOCRAT) and ousted a man who should have a statue at the Capitol. The AZ GOP’s bowels betrayed a clear, clean choice between a sovereignty fighter and a alien felatio artist. For me, it was the final straw. I am now convinced the oligarchy will gluttonously feed this country alive to Mexico, and I will not with my one vote, hand the keys to Romney etal. The GOP created this invasion and occupation mess beginning with GWB, let them fight their way out.
I hear ‘ya, Zoo! Pretty much coming from the same place myself! Two points to add for consideration.
First, I think there’s more than cheap labor behind illegal alien amnesty. I see it as part of the “One World”, “New World Order” effort. The idea is a world government to maximize exploitation of people and resources. To accomplish that end, America, as we have known it, has to cease to exist. We have “too many” rights and protections under The Constitution. As long as The United States stands as it has been, other nations and other peoples will aspire to the liberties we have and that causes problems for the “One World”, “New World Order” people.
Secondly, I don’t trust Romney to be at all conservative. Yet once again, we are being given a presidential election choice of bad or worse. Obama is, without question, worse, so there isn’t much choice but to back Romney. All is not lost, however!
The conservative strategy is to get more conservatives elected to Congress. The idea is that it is much easier to win a congressional race than a presidential race and that, once in office, conservatives can at least hold the line, keeping any president in check. We can aspire to bigger things after we’ve put a finger in the hole in the dike.
I see the root of the problem as being that both “progressive” Democrats and “establishment” Republicans are “One World”, “New World Order” people. That is what binds them together against the will of American citizens. In the end, both “progressive” Democrats and “establishment” Republicans will fail in their common effort and the American people will prevail.
You present some interesting, documented, factual material, JDP. That offers some real food for thought, as opposed to offering subjective opinion exclusively. Thank you for sharing information.
CA, I like zoo’s colorful presentation – have always said that is the right stays polite we are doomed. On my subjective opinion, I have all the documentation to back up anything I say, one just has to research beyond a casual attempt to become informed. Then again people need to start thinking outside the box.
It does make a big difference when there is evidence to back up statements. Then the whole effort becomes a form of education and readers hopefully have facts to use in decision making. That’s valuable.
Thinking outside of the box is the ultimate. Right now, I’d just like to see more thinking! With all of the weighty problems before the nation I’m surprised at how many people are apathetic! Yet some people still wonder how it was that some of the most notorious tyrannic regimes in history came to power: apathy!
Zoo, It’s been a while since I took the opportunity to tell you that you’re a racist, religiously-bigoted, knuckle-dragging idiot. And I’m glad that your racist cult leader, Russell Pearce, lost.
Eat me.
Actually Russell Pearce won as did all us true constitutional conservative.
http://patriothq.com/2011/11/28/hypocrites-jeff-flake-and-wil-cardon-russell-pearce-recall-where-were-they
zoo seems to be a realists that is refusing culture diversity that is being allowed to replace our American lifestyle.
What I am predominately refusing is a scum-sucking profiteering Republican cabal that gave birth to all of this between 2001-2009, and the wild-eyed pants down Democrats that picked up the batton and ran with it. The two-party oligarchy is a cancer on America who have put it up for sale, and everybody wonders why there are so many Americans who cannot even be persuaded to sign a petition, let alone vote.
The posted article covers a lot of ground.
First, and foremost, we have the Obama DOJ, headed by the first U. S. Attorney General ever to be found in contempt of Congress, dropping it’s investigation into Sheriff Arpaio for unspecified reasons. The U. S. Congress should investigate to find out why the DOJ ended it’s investigation as this could have bearing on related issues still in contention. What, precisely, did the Obama DOJ find in the course of it’s investigation? Does what they found actually undermine the arguments against Thomas and others? Let’s get the facts. ALL of the facts!
Secondly, the role of the State Bar bears close scrutiny. Looking at the performance of the State Bar in this instance, and the performance of State Bars across the nation, the question arises as to whether we need to have the functions of the State Bar assumed by persons accountable to the people through elections.
“The State Bar of Arizona is a special administrative arm of the Arizona Supreme Court. The State Bar of Arizona is Arizona’s licensing authority for attorneys, and the de facto statewide bar association. The State Bar of Arizona has existed in its current form (as an integrated mandatory membership organization) in 1933.”
“The State Bar of Arizona Board of Governors oversees the policy making and operation of the organization. The Board is comprised of 30 people: four non-attorney, public members appointed by the Board; three at-large members appointed by the Arizona Supreme Court; 19 attorney members elected by fellow Bar members in their district; and four ex-officio members (immediate past president and the deans of Arizona’s three law schools).”
So there are four non-attorney, public members of the Board of Govenors of the Arizona State Bar BUT those non-attorney, public members are APPOINTED by the Board itself!
Three, out of thirty Board members, are APPOINTED by the Arizona Supreme Court.
Ninteen attorney members are elected BUT by fellow Bar members!
Four Board members consist of the immediate past president and the deans of Arizona’s three law schools!
In short, the people of Arizona have no means of exacting accountability from the powerful legal entity known as the State Bar of Arizona! It is a closed, self-regulating entity which functions entirely outside of the direct or indirect control of the electorate while it has far-reaching potent powers.
If we want to be more empowered regarding the functioning of our legal system, the State Bar needs to be dethroned and it’s functions assumed by persons accountable to the electorate.
Many of you outraged conservatives here voted for Jan Brewer, Jimmy Lee the A__H_LE Deakin, VanStynwick Napoleon and Santorum the Relifious Right. Because Jan signed SB1070 never made her a Conservative, but you got all caught up in the monent and gave her the nomination and all the free publicity but no follow through. She took the IRC to court when they appealed and won, she folded telling many her “numbers were bad on that”, she is a freaking Lame Dauck, who care what her numbers were. Jimmy Lee and Van are nothing but ego driven maniacs we all knew that except for JPD and a few others, Jimmy Less(LL) had a wife from hell that caused more problems then helped him, Van was worse with his wife following two steps behind at all times. Rich Santorum wants to be relevant he had no chance in hell but the VEEP looked good, alas he did not get that either. All he did was keep an actual Conservative from getting the nomination, a Jimmy Less and VanStynwick trick being used by, shall i say it McJerk and McFlake. These DID’s have kept Conservatives out of our elections for years and you still fall for it, RP treats his supporters like cult members. He wants all of you to go down with him, or as in 2008 take a look at Cynthia McKinney and anti-Semite Democrat from Georgia. He is not man enough or has enough principles to run as a Libertarian so he obstructs the Republicans, why not take over the Democrat Party and leave us alone? When the Republicans learn to band together and stop the, I have no chance of winning but I can make a statement for my own ego, from running in the primary a real Conservative might win.
How do you feel about the “abuse-of-power” investigation of Sheriff Arpaio being dropped by the Obama DOJ, CD 9?
CD9 get a token and get on the clue bus – politics is all about narcissism – better yet throw yourself under the bus.
As far as Tea Party, take a hike you subversive GOP zealot.
CD9 you said “Rich Santorum wants to be relevant he had no chance in hell but the VEEP looked good, alas he did not get that either. All he did was keep an actual Conservative from getting the nomination, a Jimmy Less and VanStynwick trick being used by, shall i say it McJerk and McFlake.” Are you referencing your hero Newt for VP or FakeCard Strawman Agenda21 Cardon for Senate? In either case – take another token, or your preferred shot of vodka and with a ludders “lemonsplash”.
Didn’t support Brewer, in fact I laid the case out for her recall http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/r-i-d-attack-recall-brewer. You’re such a follower CD9 – take another token.
In closing, thank you again for elevating me to the level of Van and Jimmy Lee Deakin.
Cardon ran a 4 month scorched earth TV ad campaign mentioning Jeff Flake at every turn.
Actually not scorched earth as he avoided any real issues.
Cardon spent 7 million getting Flake’s name out.
Cardon spent 4 months and 7 million creating – setting up voter apathy.
Cardon pulled his TV ads the day of early voting – as planned.
Arizona Republic, McCain’s go to Dan Nowicki wrote two article – Cardon pulls out.
Early vote went to Flake because of voter apathy and Cardon is a quitter?????
August 28, no one shows at the polls.
TAKE YOUR gop AND SHOVE IT SIDEWAYS WITH YOUR Vodka with a LEMMON TWIST.
JPD – I am confused. Are you saying that Cardon was a pro-Flake puppet who had planned to pull his ads early and pull out of the race all along?
YES Cardon strawman for McFlake
When the cardon donates to flake plog post went up on 120811, the social networks I was on went silent – SILENT.
Cardon’s timing to stop TV ads defies all political campaign trends and practices, lacks common sense and logic. Cardon should have been ramping up his attack ads at that moment. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER: Cardon has had ………….. http://patriothq.com/2012/08/11/wil-cardon-donates-7-million-dollars-to-jeff-flakes-senate-campaign
http://patriothq.com/2011/09/11/wil-cardon-strawman-for-jeff-flake
Both of your links are apparent stumps for VAN Steenwyk. Flake DID NOT need Wil Cardon to win the election, so the idea that Cardon was a shill for Flake is absurd. It really makes no never mind to me, the last two primaries have opened my eyes:
2010 – John McCain 333,744 / J.D. Hayworth 190,229
2012 – Jeff Flake 355,572 / Wil Cardon 109,646
2012 – Bob Worsley 17,191 / Russell Pearce 13,524
What I see is Republican primary voters, the CORE of the AZGOP, overwhelmingly supporting anti-law, anti-sovereignty, pro-illegal alien, pro-amnesty, pro-Dream Act candidates while rejecting and/or ousting immigration enforcement candidates.
THEY even conspired with DEMOCRATS to achieve their Mesa Morman Massacre:
http://armorandshield.blogspot.com/
I’m DONE with Republicans. In November, I will vote a straight Democratic ballot with the sole expection of Republican Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
On second look, I see that these links are YOUR blogs. How did you predict in Sept. 2011 that Cardon would drop out? Amazing. There were remarks early on right here, that Cardon was part of a “Mormon fix” to make sure that an amnesty-sucking LDS candidate made it to the finish line. I didn’t believe it then. But I just don’t see how candidates like Van Steenwyk – with no money and little name recognition – could have beaten Flake with or without Cardon. That said, try to explain to me how Cardon’s candidacy helped Jeff Flake – now I’m listening.
Arizona U.S. Senate race 2010: the McCain Machine knew that running only against a ‘no-name’ grassroots opponent, a citizen candidate with no baggage would result in a loss within the political climate of that time. The mere act of acknowledging a ‘no-name’ gives standing, so how do you attack such when your (McCain) own record is what it is? (Note: Deakin filed to run in January 2009.) Therefore the McCain Machine manipulated Hayworth into running so McCain could ignore the real threat, and have a more traditional CAMPAIGN that distracted the disengaged, the uninformed, the aloof voter who was spoon fed by the complicit media, a campaign of his choosing.
Additionally, Hayworth may have been a perceived threat to Kyl’s seat (2012) so the opportunity of drawing him in against McCain in 2010 was a score, a twofer. Hayworth would have pounded Flake into the rocks.
(review) Conservatives look to Flake to rescue GOP by Dan Nowicki – Dec. 30, 2008 12:00 AM The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2008/12/29/20081229FLAKE1221online.html
What Hayworth should have done: mind his radio P’s & Q’s and become “””THE””” KING and QUEEN maker for the 2010 election cycle. Poise himself to take Kyl’s seat in 2012 as Kyl. But, McCain knew as did Flake that Kyl was stepping down, he wants a judicial appointment or something.
Cardon has/had several Kyl Senate staffers on his campaign as well as several McCain Machine workers from the get go.
Who in their right mind puts out a photoshopped http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZUD-qcMmH4 ad? This is (should have been) a campaign stopper….. a killer, you can’t be that dishonest…… unless you are an insider serving a purpose. This stupid photoshopped ad is anything but stupid, it’s contrived. Yes, done on purpose to knock Cardon down a bit, to give Flake a boost.
http://patriothq.com/2012/06/16/wil-cardon-pick-me-im-an-outrightliar-outsider-for-us-senate-needs-a-closer-look-4
As for Cardon being a shill for Flake, being “absurd”, it is what it is – look outside the box – look at the big picture that these conniving politicians look at.
My September 2011 Cardon Strawman blog: ask yourself why CD 9 is obsessed with provoking me? CD 9 got their marching orders from the Progressive GOP wing that my partner and I “ARE DANGEROUS” to the republican party due to our activities elsewhere – attack.
How many empty positions were on your Republican ballot?
Why would the Republicans allow this to go un-noticed, un-addressed?
Was the AZGOP more afraid of Ron Paul people mounting write-ins for these empty slots?
Is the AZGOP less afraid of Democrats winning the positions?
Do we have a two party system, or a one party system presenting us a left or right choice?
Why don’t you ask CD 9 who is responsible for putting our current AZGOP leadership in.
zoo said “I’m DONE with Republicans. In November, I will vote a straight Democratic ballot with the sole expection of Republican Sheriff Joe Arpaio.” In principal I agree with you zoo, if the Repub’s want to play games, game on, I’m voting for Carmona – time to cut McCain, McFlake and McKyl off as a wolf will chew his leg free of a spring trap. .
JPD, unless you ‘edited-in” your 9/11/11 remark about Cardon pulling the plug “within three to four weeks of the primary”, you my friend are a soothsayer. What shocks me is that trusted conservative outlets did not connect the dots, as you did. I can also understand that negative comments about Cardon would be perceived as shots from Flake or other candidate’s supporters, so they would not get any traction.
The chain of events you have described make perfect sense. Everyone should remember that Hayworth’s time at KFYI was largely spent fileting McCain, and McCain avoided any acknowledgement. But then suddenly, he goaded J.D. publicly and as you said, intentionally drew him in. They were holding J.D.’s “free money” commercials as their trump card.
On Cardon, I see also that the Flake-McCain-Cardon plan was to attack Flake as any opponent might on his two Achilles heels: immigration and “I lied.” And I think the smoking gun on all you have exposed is here:
“…Cardon has/had several Kyl Senate staffers on his campaign as well as several McCain Machine workers from the get go…”
As you can see JPD, a lot of people were fooled including yours truly. If the names of the specific Cardon staffers who were traceable to both McCain and Kyl were documented, wouldn’t the whole thing make one hell of a news story? Private contributors to Cardon’s campaign should know the truth about this entire conspiracy. There are also 109,000 primary voters who should know how McCain and Kyl went to stealth and incalculable means to secure the seat for Flake. And what about those conservative outlets who were taken in, including ALIPAC? You have done your homework!
Responding to zoo says: September 2, 2012 at 7:58 pm
zoo, no edit on the date, September 11, 2011 is the blog post date. All my PatriotHQ blog posts are linked around the web w/time stamps to over 440 news outlets.
I’m also known for maintaining a digital record like this http://patriothq.com/2012/03/23/wil-cardon-censors-comments-on-sonoran-alliance-so-much-for-free-speech as McCain’s Dan Nowicki knows very well.
Several names are known that belong to Kyl, McCain and Flake that are/were on Cardon’s staff, just got to find them?????
There is no trusting conservative outlets:
NumbersUSA (Roy Beck) is a flaming WHITE SUPREMACIST.
Club For Growth (Chris Chocola) ARE OPEN BORDERS “illegal immigration is a social, not a fiscal issue”
FreedomWorks (Dick Army, Jim DeMint etc.) ARE OPEN BORDERS.
“At the January 5, 2012 Cactus Wren Republican Women meeting Cardon said twice that Flake “was a nice guy” and soon after, he told the audience, ‘I disagree with his (Flake’s) support and vote in favor of the DREAM Act March of 2007.’ Yet when you check Flake’s FEC for the last quarter of 2007, WIL TO CHANGE WASHINGTON contributed $5000 to Flake.”
It goes on and on: http://patriothq.com/2012/05/16/annette-mchugh-jeff-flake-demint-endorsment-words-words-words read the last sentence on this post and visit the “earmark” link about Club For Growth and see who they really are.
Watch the ULI “YouTube videos” at the bottom http://patriothq.com/2012/05/08/az-senate-race-urban-land-institute-wil-cardons-smart-growth-committee-agenda-21-part-3 and get a feel for the body language, glances at the camera, measured responses, CARDON’s “””ULI””” cohort’s and tell me this pumpkin head didn’t know.
I have been silent about the mormon belief system up to now: three years ago my issues in order were Mexicans (foreign invaders), muslims and mormons. Two years ago muslims, mexican and mormons. A year ago up to today mormons, muslims and Mexicans.
Both mormons and muslims believe in false prophets, their belief systems are based on false self-serving premises’.
My reference to “trusted conservative outlets” was not referring to NumbersUSA, the Club For Growth, etc. I was talking about genuine local concerns such as Sonoran News, Seeing Red AZ, and SHIELD. And speaking of SHIELD, they detail the Mesa Mormon Massacre which, if we had ONE PERSON in the federal government who had a pair of balls (it won’t be Romney), the Mormon church would LOSE IT’S TAX EXEMPT STATUS YESTERDAY:
http://armorandshield.blogspot.com/
I still maintain that Cardon staffers are the smoking gun. You have made your case quite convincingly and logically, but skeptics may dismiss it as conjecture. I think you’re setting on a bomb, and I want to help tell the world.
In light of the shenanigans at the RNC this time around, especially when coupled with what you have seen here in the Senate race, with Kyl endorsing Flake while Cardon told the Verde Valley Republicans out of his own mouth that Kyl’s campaign staff was working for him, among MANY other things like the 75 percent empty ballot I just filled out, I am recommending a mass exodus from the GOP.
This is not about Dr. Paul. What they did there was despicable enough. But the new rules adopted by the National Committee at the convention mean that the National Committee mean that from now on the National Committee of the GOP will be choosing the State delegates, the makeup of their own committee, and changing the rules at their whim BETWEEN CONVENTIONS(unheard of in a history stretching back to 1855).
In short, they have not only expelled the Paulbots, they have also silenced the same tea party people in the grassroots that handed them the House in 2010 along with Governor’s chairs nationwide. And if you are a Republican who favored Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain etc. they have now cut off YOUR nose to spite YOUR face. They have eliminated the input from the grassroots base of the party, using Ron Paul as an excuse to do so. Read these new rules and decide for yourself. Do these moves represent a desire for input from the bottom up? Hardly. Welcome to the new Politboro style GOP.
I’m not going to presume to tell you people who to vote for. If your conscience tells you to vote for Romney, by all means do so. Just cast your vote as an independent, non-aligned voter rather than accept this kind of top-down approach from the GOP. You would NEVER accept this from your government. Why would you accept it from your party? The only way to make the RNC feel the pain of the amputated grassroots base is by a drastic reduction in membership and a corresponding drastic reduction in funding.
Again, this need not mean that you will not vote for Romney, nor that he gets no funding. Just contribute directly to the candidate and let the party starve. Otherwise they are going to dictate who your State delegates are, who your State sends to the National Committee, and if you as grassroots activists find some kind of a loophole in the newly adopted rules, they can change the rules at a whim without having to wait for a convention.
You’re using the “old bean”, Michael, and striving to come up with effective responses to an unacceptable situation. THAT is what we need to see more of, as thought precedes action. We all need to ultimately take some form of action or the American people are going to end up being no better off than the were prior to 1776!
The big question for me remains what is it which ties “moderate”, “establishment” Republicans together with “progressive” Democrats? What is the common goal which they are seeking to attain?
I don’t think we can effectively deal with and counter what RINOS are up to UNLESS we clearly understand their agenda, which I believe is “hidden”. “Hidden” in that no one seems to have “broken the code” OR there is no one effectively getting the message out, if they have “broken the code”.
I think we are too focused on small, “standard” issues to see the big picture as to what is going on. We seem to be focused on red herring and slight of hand. We need to do a deeper, more penetrating analysis.
It’s the age old story. The simple love of power. Nothing more, nothing less. The grandiose schemes and intricate plots all boil down to that. They understand that Constitutionalists and conservative activists mean less power for them, less money for them, less control for them. And nobody wants to work for a living if they don’t have to.
Hi, Michael!
Quite true! I too am a big believer in analyzing things from a “human nature” perspective, since “human nature” seems to be such a constant across the millennia. We are, however, faced with the very practical concern of how to avoid becoming enslaved for the enrichment of others. That requires strategy and tactics and strategy and tactics spring from an understanding of the processes at work. In other words, how do we best “gum up” the works?
Have any thoughts about what, specifically, the “grandiose shcemes and intricate plots” are? Is there anything you can “bust” as a “work in progress” in which both “progressive” Democrats and “establishment” Republicans are actively participating, and cooperating with each other, to attain objectives at odds with the will of the American people?
As JPD has noted above, the ballots were awfully empty in the latest GOP primary. Stick that under your hat for a moment while you consider this: In 2008, the Democrats were the largest party in the State. Due to their failed policies and mishandling of issue after issue, they have lost nearly 20 percent of their party to the ranks of the independents. At present, the indpendents are closing in on the GOP and will soon be the largest base of registered voters in the State. Considering that Indies vote at a higher rate than do party members, this represents a de facto third party, if only there were someone organizing them and offering alternatives to the system as it stands. Say, something like the tea party was heading towards before the GOP got ahold of it.
Now pull that empty ballot out from under your hat. Look at it and wonder… WHY did the party non inform its base of all those empty positions in the primary? Could it be, as JPD has already suggested, that they were worried that the Paulbots or other liberty/Constitution minded folks might get the wise idea of running in those positions such as commissions, boards, State legislature etc.? Do they fear those who want to limit their power more than they fear the Democrats who are playing the game? Keep in mind, playing the game has been costing the Democrats a lot of people. And that independents can vote in the primary for the single party ticket of their choosing. Identify yourself as an independent and choose either Democrat or Republican and vote the ticket, right?
We NEED to identify these positions on the local ballots, these commissions, these State Legislature positions where only one party is running. In cases where there is only one party running, we as independent Liberty and Constitution minded activists need to register someone with whichever party is failing to field a candidate, and mount write in campaigns in the primaries. A few hundred votes will win a nomination for the general. At that point, the parties, desperate for support, will be needing to openly support at least SOME of these candidates.
In races where NEITHER party is fielding a candidate, we need to register someone with BOTH parties and mount write in campaigns that will nominate TWO CANDIDATES OF OUR CHOOSING for the general election. WHICHEVER candidate wins, it’s our guy. THE SAME AS THEY ARE DOING TO US.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
In this way we can begin driving a wedge into the cracks of the two-faced single party system in Arizona. Even a water commission member or a school board member, hell, a dogcatcher, can become a platform to move our people up the rungs of power WITHOUT the parties.
A member on these boards and commissions can “lose paperwork”, can vote against illegal immigration and Agenda 21 by voting against their fellow board and commission members, and can use their position to call press conferences, and seeing as how the public SO loves their endorsements to determine credibility, he can endorse other candidates we are fielding as write ins for positions like city councils, county boards and State Legislature.
It won’t matter how many laws the Feds pass, how many Executive Orders are written by Romney or Obama. If our towns, counties, commissions and Sheriffs simply flip the bird at the Feds, there is only so much they can do. We can Cloward and Piven their ass by jamming up the court dockets if they want to sue us. And they sure as hell can’t occupy every village and hamlet in America to enforce The Federal Will.
Once there is a base layer of these operatives in position, we can begin to broker deals on who is who in Congress with the machines. After all, neither the Problem nor the Answer lie with the Presidency. The People reside in the House, and the States are in the Senate. Congress is the problem, and Congress is the answer when it comes to Fedzilla. But to get there, we have to start where we are. In our school districts, fire districts, water districts, commissions, towns and counties.
Ain’t checks and balances a wonderful thing?
I like the way you’re thinking, Michael. Obviously, you HAVE been thinking. The next step is action. Have any concrete action plans yet? If you come up with any, let us know by posting here at SA.
Of course, no matter what course of action you may take, there will be potent forces trying to derail your efforts. The “establishment” isn’t simply going to roll over and play dead AND they have unlimited money to throw at things.
The problem with a formal entity, like a political party per se, is that it can be infiltrated by the opposition and rendered dysfunctional and ineffectual. It would seem that the success of your ideas would depend upon genuine “grassroots” activism. The more structured that becomes, the less effective it becomes.
More and more we are seeing how the internet and networking are becoming powerful tools for grassroots activism. “Town criers” aren’t owned by the mainstream media or stifled by the Feds. The “establishment” is aware of this which is why they are now looking at how they can put a cap on the internet, limiting access and empowering government agencies to shut down websites. That is probably an important battle to become involved with if the average person hopes to be empowered to bring about change.
Flake the Fake needs to go melt on someone’s outhouse.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/jeff_flake_17th_amendment.php
For the record, I will never cast a vote for Flake! Without doubt, he’ll be elected to the U. S. Senate but not with my vote!
CA, resolve, sticktuitive-ness aka morals and ethics. Awe heck, let’s play their game by their rules shall we?
Now that is two votes I know for sure McMcFlake isn’t getting, and one vote I know for sure for Carmona – MINE!
If Carmona gets across the political spectrum support starting now on the social networks, MikiFlake will have to double time the McCain General Election shift back to the left. And if we pull the strings hard enough, we can watch Flake slam the left field wall and possibly straighten out that LEFT BENT NOSE of his…….. pull really hard and bend it to the right. Sorry McCain, you will just have to adjust to the new sensation, heck you may even get used to it in the next two months before IT’s gone!
We have a chance for a triple play, McFlake OUT, McKyl OUT and McMcCain in a recall pickle for November 2013 or sooner.
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zoo, I’m looking for the names and putting out a call for assistance from my contacts.
I chewed my leg off to get free of the steel spring trap early Wednesday morning, register as an Independent.
Here’s the thing about Flake, JDP. His failed STRIVE Amnesty Act, crafted with Chicago Congressman Luis Gutierrez, makes it clear to the Reconquistas that if they vote for him they are home free. It could be that Carmona is just a sham candidate, with word being to actually vote for Flake. I have wondered how much that sort of dynamic might have played a role in McCain’s reelection, with a portion of the “progressive” Democrat, “open borders” vote having been quietly directed to McCain.
Oooops! Sorry! I meant “JPD”.
Bailey you would think that “””the “”” TEA PARTY as per CD 9…… the Arizona 2012 Project would have enlightened the rank and file GOP on the unfilled ballot positions, after all that was their purpose, endorse candidates when we told them to take a hike from our Tea Party Group back in October/November 2009, Wes Harris included.
CD 9 is a GOP insider operative who tried to corrupt the Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriot’s to turn them into a Tea Party endorsement machine for the GOP. Well maybe not an insider but a wannabe VIP (Very Impotent Person).
CD 9 (wannabe Tea Party) spouses business client and friend Tom Morrissey – what about you, why didn’t you enlighten the GOP rank and file about ALL the open positions on the ballots and you call yourself TEA PARTY? Screw the Bloody Mary’s this morning, just tip that vodka bottle – it’ll be a fine day – job well done!
What about the owner of this blog site, the AZGOP Spokesperson?
What about the author of the American-Post Gazette http://politicomafioso.blogspot.com/2011/05/rob-haney-is-person-behind-fake.html.
Try a WHOIS search on Sonoran Alliance and tell me what you come up with.
The owner blocked his name one or two years ago. Its typical.
And the owner is…? Also, has the ownership changed hands since one or two years ago?
So we have edits occurring on this vine, anyone else notice?
CA, the owner of this site blocked their name which I will honor. This individual and/or staff has not violated my free expression on this site which is commendable considering the circumstances. Although the owner did allow an individual to expose me in a blog post that is still up, it was/is a good hit piece, a bit over the top but was only fair other than they involved my family who are not into this horse shit called politics. Funny the individual claimed to have found me out doing research where in fact Charles Black snitched me off – what a load, both of them.
The owner of Snore Andaliar has identified themself several times in various blogs, even so it’s not my style unless I feel violated.
Ownership has not changed, they did change the format to accept paid advertising to support the site, even then a bias filter is applied as to who can post: aka you don’t have enough money to pay me to advertise on my site. Again, it’s a private site operated much like the GOP Cooperation is being operated now, what can you expect?
No, JPD, I didn’t notice edits! What was cut?
My interest in who owns the site is based upon Sonoran Alliance billing itself as having “…a blatantly conservative worldview.” Clearly, not every article which appears on this website comes from a conservative perspective. Knowing who owns the site might make it more clear what, precisely, it’s “worldview” is.
Since Shane’s name is out front, why would the owner, if not Shane, want to conceal his or her name?
Since the owner’s name is not public, how do you know that ownership hasn’t changed? There is no public record available to verify that.
CA, you are right that an organization can be corrupted or opposed quickly. What is needed is a “shadow” organization with no formal rolls, no rules, and no formal leadership. More appropriately, what is needed is individuals acting in concert, people of one conviction acting separately and independently to achieve their goals.
Decentralization is key to success of the liberty movement and implementing Consitutional preeminence. There is a historical model for successful activity of this type. A group operating in New England during the latter half of the Eighteenth Century, radical revolutionaries known as the Sons of Liberty. These groups are THE model for overthrowing an empire. We must pattern ourselves on their activities.
Yes, we must become well versed in the Constitution, but that’s not all. We need to know everything about our Founders, and the Sons who put them into position. The way they operated with the Committees of Safety and the Committees of Correspondence to organize a loosely allied band of misfits into public leaders who swayed public opinion and freed a continent. This was primarily done through local action coordinated by like minded individuals operating separately but thinking the same.
“What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations…This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.”- Samuel Adams
You’re a pretty cool guy, Michael! Not only do you think but you think in much the same way that those who brought this country into being thought. The challenge is how to translate that into some action or actions which have the possibility of actually having an impact on things. Sharing your thoughts here does have an impact. When you write, there is something where there was nothing AND ideas can be potent motivators to action. At some point, in some way, however, the rubber has to meet the road. The question is what to do and how to do it. Use the internet? Meetings? Word of mouth? Have any specific models in mind? How can concerted action be achieved without stifling, self-defeating structure?
There is plenty of discontent. The left has done a much better job of capitalizing on that than has the right. Obama and the “progressive” left are failing simply because they failed to address “bread and butter” issues effectively. I think that came about because they became impatient and overreached. They thought they had it in the bag and reached for the brass ring prematurely. Thank goodness for their mistakes! They’ve largely brought about their own defeat! At least that gives us another shot at it!
First is education. I was part of a small tea party once, where the meetings were uneventful, quiet, and surprisingly, never focused on great issues of import as such, or the usual firebrand rhetoric presented by a gifted orator. At these particular meetings, what mostly went on was an in depth study of the Constitution, and a free flow discussion of how those principles apply to today and the ways in which they have been violated by our government. There was a lot of open ended discussion amongst ourselves about the Founders, their words and actions. Everything was very low key. Anybody watching one of these meetings would have thought that these were some very tame activists, indeed. And yet, this group was one of the more active, radical and vociferous groups in the entire nation, with politicians feeling they needed to launch their campaigns there, with other groups and recruiters coming by frequently to see if they could garner tips or gain energy. Then, one day, the main instructor in the Constitution was unable to continue with the instruction. The new leader had a lot of great ideas for actions to take, and a lot of ideas on more structure and more speakers. The free form discussion was discouraged to allow for these speakers. Less and less unstructured talk amongst ourselves about the Founders and the Constitution began taking place. From then till now that group has been in steady decline, until now it is essentially a group of four or five friends, soldiering gamely on, meeting every now and again, and having reverted to the former free flow discussion, but without the study of our founding documents or discussion of the Founders. In short, it does nothing. No politicians or recruiters or other groups are coming to gain a share of the energy. I feel there’s a lesson to be learned there. The group with the least cheerleading and the most earnest study, with the least structure, was powerful beyond its numbers. Once structure and rules were imposed, and the original curriculum was sacrificed, the party was over.
The answer to your question? All of the above as far as methods of communication. Internet is probably easiest. It will also take a significant amount of face time, because human beings are social creatures. But to get the radical action going? We must study the founding of our Great Nation and its early leaders and principles until our noses bleed. We have no need of leaders or even a particular plan of action.
When you understand these people, these Sons of Liberty, like they are your own family, all you have to ask yourself is, “What would Patrick Henry say?” “What would John Hancock do?” and regardless of the situation or the proposition before you, the majority of the group, thinking with the same mind, will arrive at the same or nearly the same answer. When that time arrives you are ready to construct and coordinate plans among yourselves. To affect the larger picture in society itself, you send these members into other groups as operatives to recruit, to inspire and motivate them to support this local plan of action.
Interesting experiences and thoughts, Michael!
There was, of course, much disagreement among the “Founding Fathers”. Those who signed the Declaration of Independence had in common that they were committed to being free of British rule and committed to founding a new nation not based upon the “divine right” of kings. They also had in common that they put their lives on the line by signing the Declaration! Much of what came after was a matter of compromise among conflicting ideas and approaches.
Agreed. They had some commonalities in their worldview and in their approaches to achieving their liberty, however. And those signers were only the tip of the iceburg. It was the Sons of Liberty that put them in position to shake the world. Some, but not all, of those most famous leaders were also in the Sons. Others were the choices settled upon as those worthy of support, generally for reasons of the honesty and integrity seen in their examples.
Thanks for the info, Michael! I’ll have to do some research and educate myself about that!
There is something I would like you to know, Michael.
I have stood at the site of the Old North Bridge in Concord.
I have stood upon Lexington Green.
I have seen The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights with my own eyes.
I have stood on the ramparts of Fort Ticonderoga.
I have stood on the heights above the Hudson River where Washington had his headquarters at West Point.
I remember.
“Stand your ground.
Don’t fire unless fired upon.
But if they mean to have a war…
Let it begin here.”
-Captain Parker
April 19 1775
http://www.facebook.com/SonsOfLibertyInArizona?ref=tn_tnmn
Thank you very much, Michael.
I’ve always been a lone wolf.
It’s my nature.
Works for me. I’m still here.
“I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” – Patrick Henry
Shane still owns the site.
What leads you to believe that, JPD?
A change in domain ownership creates another whois record containing the fact of domain ownership change, even if contact information does not change. With no record of ownership change, the original owner is the current owner.
Ah, thank you, Michael!
So, that leaves us with no verifiable public record of who, in fact, does own the site! No?