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Conservatives enraged at McCain win; support building for Independent candidate
August 26, 2010 By 84 Comments
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Glad to see there is an alternative. I won’t be voting for McCain after the way he went after JD. He’s the kind of unethical, greedy, unprincipled, arrogant politician we need to get rid of. But who is better, the Libertarian candidate or Gilyeat? I don’t know enough about either of them.
Same thought process that gave us Obama.
John “amnesty” McCain will not get my vote.
I agree that we should build some momentum for a third-party candidate that is legitimate and stands up against the great threat to our country posed by amnesty for illegal aliens.
Start posting some information on our options for candidates besides McCain and the Democratic challenger.
McCain gave us Maobama. McCain will give us amnesty. McCain will not get my vote.
There is no way I’ll vote for a democrat, even if he is registered as a republican. McCain just proved elections are for sale and he has the cash. Since character maters, I’ll look at Gilyeat as an alternative to not voting. McCain can’t buy my vote.
McCain got us Obama! I’ll vote for Gilyeat.
McCain gave us Obama and America woke up! Conservatives are on the rise! I hope we will get our republic back and if it means another wake up call here in Arizona, then so be it!
In the general John will not have the liberal independents , the democrats who switched so he better put down some concrete action to shoew he really means his tough border talk and actually propose somelegislation that conservatives can wrap themselves around before November. Empty promises will not help him with the conservative base he will need if the dems don;t give some Liberal Professional courtesy and drop out as they usually do to let the incumbent progressive go forward, which way will he go ? Will he run back to bed with the democrats, will he back up his tough Immiggration campaign talk with legilsation that doen not include AMNESTY this time ? Or the popular RINO catch phrase “Guest Worker” program while Arizona is mired with over 15% unemployment ? I am watching and the issue matter and I plan on exposing any substantial or documented and verified change of direction on real true CONSERVATIVE issues I see, good or bad. I knew the Deakin vote was not worth worrying about as much ans the non-stop ads depicting a New wiser more conservative McCain that the casual and largely uninformed voters were treated to on the airwaves for months on end. Will John make those folks look like fools for supporting him or is he really reformed and ready to tell his establishment buddies to take a hike as he is now ready to create a legacy of trust and accountability where none existed before ? Should we hope for that ? Can we hope for that ? The ball is in John’s court or principles will take over for many of JD’s supporters on that Big Tuesday in November.
No. What gave us Maobama was McCain campaigning for him telling good, decent American folk that Obamao was a decent family man and not to be scared of him.
McCain betrayed the trust of the common man who looked up to him for answers and leadership.
John McCain is an absolute disgrace.
Anyone with even an elementary amount of common sense and knowledge of Maobama knew he was a dirty Socialist agitator that supported partial birth abortions.
How fricken’ negligent can you get than saying he’s a good family man? What sort of moral and spiritual imbecility is that?
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Beef Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Same thought process that gave us Obama.
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McCain gave us Obama. And TARP. And McCain-Feingold …
You really need to form your own Conservative party, that is the answer. Resign as GOP PCs today.
What a bunch of crybaby sore losers. Suck it up kids.
You tried, and you lost.
Now support the winner. That’s how primaries work.
otasan Says:
…Now support the winner. That’s how primaries work.
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Case in point! Like liberals, Mcbloggers don’t think for themselves, it’s what ever the “Party” tells them to do.
“That’s how primaries work,” so they’re in lock-step like robots.
Don’t support one out of 50 plus candidates, someone calls them in to turn in their Party ID.
Sounds more like Organizing for America than a tea party.
Any day now, we can expect the SEIU lemmings to chime in.
Who’s the RINO now?
Gilyeat – Nope. “Make it easy to come in legally” and “we need a guest worker program.”
A person who claims to be a Republican yet plans on voting for a candidate other than the winner of the Republican primary is not only a RINO but a stupid fool.
Gilyeat? LOL! He’s not even on the ballot! He’s a write in! LOL! Too funny! How sad are you guys now!
I didn’t expect the SEIU people to show up so soon! LOL!!!
At least they’ve got quick response times.
I will look at all that are running. I like what the Independent has to say except he is against 1070. That turned me off of him. But I will keep investigating others.
Bunch of Democrats telling everyone how to think, how to vote.
Every occur to ya’ll that quite a number of conservatives aren’t really actually going to clue you in to how we plan to vote?
Why tip one’s hand?
This is a joke. Honsetly, Michael Holliday must be one of the most extreme commentators on this board. I do not particularly like McCain, nor many of the stances he takes, but the man is no Arlen Specter. I voted for him over Hayworth because I don’t see Hayworth as a fundamentally fiscally conservative candidate.
In the end, the calculus was simple: do I want 6 more years of McCain or 30 more years of Hayworth (assuming he would win reelection as most incumbents do)? I’m willing to take my chances that a better candidate will come along in 6 years. So, for those of you hesitant to vote for McCain, think of it this way: you can vote against McCain and see a Democrat in office for probably the next 10-20 years, or you can vote McCain in and work to reelect a better Republican when he steps down in 6 years.
I’m no McCain supporter, so I think I am pretty unbiased in saying that that line of reasoning should make sense to anyone that wants to have a Republican Senator in Arizona. As others have said, the primary is over; McCain won. Support the more conservative of the electable candidates and keep an eye to the next election in 6 years.
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Joe Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
A person who claims to be a Republican yet plans on voting for a candidate other than the winner of the Republican primary is not only a RINO but a stupid fool.
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How stupid is it to vote for someone who WILL lie to us – not MIGHT, but WILL? “Whatever it takes.”
Isn’t that the epitome of stupidity? The DEMS of course win-win. They get a DEM either way, so it’s a problem needing a solution, which may require several steps to be solved, isn’t it?
McCains’s the one who’s set everyone up, not the voters.
Remember the rules in the Senate are different than the house. The Dems won’t have the super majority as during the past two years, so McCain’s presense in the Senate is problematic.
He may be the highest vote getter in the primary but I did not add to his numbers and I believe he needs to show some really good support for conservative issues or he still won’t get my vote and that of thousands of others. It’s really too bad he didn’t get the memo about retireing
wanumba, You said that like a true RINO!
# CDNMR Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
This is a joke. Honsetly, Michael Holliday must be one of the most extreme commentators on this board. I do not particularly like McCain, nor many of the stances he takes, but the man is no Arlen Specter. I voted for him over Hayworth because I don’t see Hayworth as a fundamentally fiscally conservative candidate.
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I’ve got several college degrees and a few military intelligence school diplomas hanging on my wall that say I can out analyze and out critically think you when it comes to the dangers facing America. The real ones.
Extreme? I always back my rhetoric with facts. You’re so desensitized and collective in your thinking, you cannot see the obvious.
Take a hike.
Next…
think about it for a moment. Even “if” McShame were to lose his seat to a Democrat (not likely at all) what could happen? The Dem would vote for amnesty? So would McShame The Dem would vote for Cap and Tax? So would McShame. The Dem would vote to raise taxes on “the rich” McShame likely would too
No, I say it is time we tell McShame to stop playing us for suckers. This is why he does this every election cycle because he knows, in the end, most republicans will just send him back anyways
What a bunch of hypocrites! You cry and whine about JD getting beaten so soundly but then shout about wanting to do the same to McCain. What hurts more, that JD’s political career is proven to be what many of us said all along…over in 2006 or that you all found out just how little influence you have and that John McCain is still respected by the HUGE majority of Republicans in Arizona?
If JD had beaten McCain by that number you would be shouting to the rooftops–”SEE…WE TOLD YOU!”
McCain aside, JD was a seriously flawed candidate, unable to muster the support necessary. No amount of money would have changed that.
In fact, if JD was truly the guy you all said he was, where were the 527 big bucks that were waiting in the wings to come into Arizona if a VIABLE contender declared? It was no secret there were plenty of dollars just waiting to be poured into this race…JD just didn’t make the cut to benefit.
McCain spent what he did to push back that threat. That JD made it so easy is on JD not McCain.
If JD was so flawed, why did it take McCain $25 million to win? McCain proved he is a big spender that can afford to buy the election. That’s all, nothing more.
Conservative don’t like him. He stabbed them in the back too many times. Now the big question. Does he have the money to buy the general election too? He certainly can’t win on merit.
#57States Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:51 am
think about it for a moment. Even “if” McShame were to lose his seat to a Democrat (not likely at all) what could happen? The Dem would vote for amnesty? So would McShame The Dem would vote for Cap and Tax? So would McShame. The Dem would vote to raise taxes on “the rich” McShame likely would too
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I will gladly support and campaign for McCain if he adopts JD Hayworth’s ten point plan and means it.
Now there’s real America values!
You fools should take a look at what our Founding Fathers had to pledge for what they believed in: lives, fortunes and sacred honor.
We’re just asking for ten simple points, with the main point being, “please, for the love of God, family and country, don’t sell us out. Don’t compromise our national sovereignty or go against the will of the American people.”
Sorry if I’m not enough of a “party” guy for you. But I’ll take authentic conservatism over plaid pants, golf course Republican conservatism any day.
History is replete with examples of a few individuals being left with the balance of civilization on their shoulders. It’s a common theme in the Bible. That’s because it conveys a deep historical and archetypal truth!
I assure you, John McCain’s wealth and opulence put his existence on a different plane than all of middle class America.
It can be a good thing for us because he can’t be bought. It can be a bad thing if he can buy out/out muscle qualified others. It can be fatal if he loses touch with reality because he’s insulated from the consequences of his actions by his affluence.
John McCain’s had 28 years to get it right and has pretty much failed.
The whole societal Chess board has shifted to far to the left, blurring the distinction between right and wrong. It’s why the king makers will never call for an anti-illegal alien Czar.
OK…JD had campaigned using “free money” for 2 years on his radio show. He used every turn to slam McCain and build himself up. What was the value of that?
Read my post again. Maybe you will get it this time.
“Conservative don’t like him. He stabbed them in the back too many times. Now the big question. Does he have the money to buy the general election too? He certainly can’t win on merit.”
Are you delusional? McCain can’t win the general because conservatives won’t vote for him? Did you see the vote count?
Keep telling yourself that…at least one person will be listening.
Here’s John McCain on his hands and knees, before the liberal, left-wing, revolutionary, ethnocentric, brown supremacist, return-America-to-Atzlan-nativists organization known as La Raza:
“[Obama] suggested…that I turned my back on comprehensive reform out of political necessity. I feel I must, as they say, correct the record. At a moment of great difficulty in my campaign, when my critics said it would be political suicide for me to do so, I helped author with Senator Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform, and fought for its passage…I did so not just because I believed it was the right thing to do for Hispanic Americans. It was the right thing to do for all Americans… I do ask for your trust that when I say, I remain committed to fair, practical and comprehensive immigration reform, I mean it. I think I have earned that trust.”
Comprehensive immigration reform is amnesty.
And, no, La Raza is not a “Hispanic Rights” organization. There’s no such thing as Hispanic Rights. There’s rights as an America citizen. Illegal aliens don’t have the right to break the law.
Illegal aliens are to immigration what gay marriage is to marriage, or a drug dealer is to a pharmacist. That is, a confused and confusing fiction, plain and simple.
Please read my article entitled “The Uninvited-Guest Worker Program: John McCain Fiddles While Arizona Boils” on COMMITMENT WITH AMERICA:
http://commitmentwithamerica.com/06-05-2010/the-uninvited-guest-worker-program-john-mccain-fiddles-while-arizona-boils/
Even for Sonoran Alliance, this post is pretty pathetic.
But don’t worry, at least a few of us will remember these reactions the next time one of your favored candidates wins and the commentators on this site are whining because every single Republican and Independent doesn’t immediately fall in line.
Does anybody believe if McCain signs the 10 point plan he will stick to it. If you do you are delusional. Ann. McCain bought the primary, plain and simple. The only time I ever voted McCain was 2008, and then it was for Sarah. JD had a horrible campaign, I know I was there. But 25 million bought the seat for McCain, he should be so embarassed it took him that kind of money along with his lies and distortions. Tell me, did he campaign like that agaisnt Obama? No, McCain can not run a race against a Democrat, is that the deal he made from the Keating scandal? McCain will never get my vote, I do not care who he is running against.
To all rational people, picking the anyone-but-mccain candidate is petty and small. JD got beat like he didn’t even show up. Like somehow he got his name on the ballot and never did anything. Which is sad, because he worked pretty hard. The problem with JD is JD. And JD got trounced.
And now you pick this anti-SB1070 non-ballot candidate? That’s going to go over like a lead balloon.
But at least you are succeeding on the petty and small front. Congrats.
I’ll support the Republicans.
Here’s John McCain’s good, family man. The one he campaigned for to be next President of the United States of America: Maobama the Great!
“Administration Halts Prosecution of Alleged USS Cole Bomber:”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082606353.html?hpid=moreheadlines&sid=ST2010082700364
Thanks McCain! Keep up the good work!
You’re a definitely good judge of character and family values…for the criminals, derelicts and revolutionaries!
As long as they’re elite, rich, powerful or immoral John McCain will be there to serve them with maverick compromise and a smile!
Michael Holliday Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:34 am
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I’ve got several college degrees and a few military intelligence school diplomas hanging on my wall that say I can out analyze and out critically think you when it comes to the dangers facing America. The real ones.
Extreme? I always back my rhetoric with facts. You’re so desensitized and collective in your thinking, you cannot see the obvious.
Take a hike.
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Said like a true jackass, Michael. Your piece of paper on the wall doesn’t signify anything. Apparently your precious degrees haven’t taught you to use a dictionary:
“Comprehensive immigration reform is amnesty.”
Whatever you and other people on this site think, one does not equal the other. Just because you shout it or write enough, doesn’t make it true. So keep on yelling, buddy. Maybe someone out there is listening, but I’d say probably not.
In the end, I’ll take comfort in knowing that most rationale conservatives don’t side with you.
What’s with the argument that conservatives to not be “stupid” HAVE to support McCain?
The next breath it’s ha-ha-ha McCain won WITHOUT Conservatives so he don’t CARE what we think.
Which is it? McCain needed $21 million to defeat a political mouse who only had $3 million? Ten million is THRICE the amount, but THAT wasn’t ENOUGH. That’s the Mouse that Roared. McCain don’t need Conservatives or he DOES need Conservatives? He sure CAMPAIGNED like a Conservative, without mentioning a syllable of his Democrat LEFT voting record, Mr. BORDER SECURITY FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!
Too too many conflicting arguments here. “Will do whatever it takes.” Too many lies and they start competing with each other.
If McCain would VOTE what the majority of AZ and the NAION are TELLING him, then who would be complaining? He DON’T. It’s HIS FAULT, who he is, what he does. HE could CHOOSE to REPRESENT US, and he CHOOSES not to.
WE can CHOOSE also.
It’ll take time to undo McCain’s 24 years plus 6 and how many more he can weasel by lying to the public that he’s conservative, but so be it. McCain-Feingold was for HIM, and he just used it to the nth degree to protect himself from challengers.
One thing the public should be working on is term limits for Congress. When they have to be carted out at 112 years old, not even conscious for the last 30 years of their political life, propped up by self-interested staffers, safe due to laws they passed to protect the incumbents, then TERM LIMITS is the ONLY solution. TWO terms for SENATORS and O-U-T, three terms for REPS. If it’s good enough for the POTUS, it’s good enough for everyone else.
The Senators have spent way too much of the PEOPLE’s time and money entrenching themselves. They will of course fight it tooth and nail and with every dirty trisk they can concoct.
“Conservatives” Enraged? No, we’re not – not about the McCain election. Can’t you count?
If you are a voter and you do not rally behind the newly re-elected senior senator in the general, that’s fine. It’s a free country.
But if you are in AZGOP leadership and you do not support the Republican candidates, then step down. If you are a PC and you work against the Republican nominee, you should resign or be removed.
I will be watching the Pullen/Haney crowd to see what they will be doing with the power and postition they have. If they continue to work against McCain, they should be prepared to be confronted by angry Republicans who are tired of taking second place, not because of the quality of candidate but because of the lack of quality leadership in the state and county parties.
There’s outrage out here – but the direction will become clear soon. This election is just the first indicator.
I do not trust John McCain, so I will not vote for him. It’s as simple as that.
# CDNMR Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Michael Holliday Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:34 am
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I’ve got several college degrees and a few military intelligence school diplomas hanging on my wall that say I can out analyze and out critically think you when it comes to the dangers facing America. The real ones.
Extreme? I always back my rhetoric with facts. You’re so desensitized and collective in your thinking, you cannot see the obvious.
Take a hike.
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You: Said like a true jackass, Michael. Your piece of paper on the wall doesn’t signify anything. Apparently your precious degrees haven’t taught you to use a dictionary:
“Comprehensive immigration reform is amnesty.”
Me: What does it mean? Jump through a few hoops that the government won’t even enforce and voila! you’re a great American with the moral equivalence of a veteran?
Once again, better brush up on your ethical dictionary because your moral vocabulary is about as limited as McCain’s.
You: Whatever you and other people on this site think, one does not equal the other. Just because you shout it or write enough, doesn’t make it true. So keep on yelling, buddy. Maybe someone out there is listening, but I’d say probably not.
Me: I told you what it means. It means the government will accept tens of millions of foreigners and their families and say they’ve got to earn their citizenship by doing ten jumping jacks and saying a “Hail Mary.” You’re a misinformed dolt.
You: In the end, I’ll take comfort in knowing that most rationale conservatives don’t side with you.
Me: Check out the criminal records, the illiteracy, the disease, the infirmity, the lack of allegiance and assimilation to this country that will ensue, is indeed ensuing, and get back to me.
Go visit Southern California, or the Arizona border for that matter.
Fool. Elitist, dumb fool.
And don’t threaten my Republican creds unless I get in line you little jackass.
What are you going to do, yank everyrone’s Republican cards if they don’t get in line and support McCain and his suicidal plan for immigration “reform?”
Screw you!
I share a great deal of the frustration about McCain. I really do. However, at the risk of making a bunch of folks mad at me, I need, nonetheless, to speak my mind:
Arizona grassroots conservatives want to help a Democrat win.
Do I detect a little panic from the McCain supporters?
Based on the current vote count (310,808) McCain paid $80.44 for each vote he got. The $25 million he spent in AZ is the most he has ever done to help us. That was a lot of out of state money he brought in to Arizona. I wonder what it will ultimately cost us for the short term boost once McAmnesty II comes in.
Just for clarification purposes, I myself am not a McCain supporter. Far, far from it. What I am is an opponent of the left and everything they plan to do to this nation. Stopping them from accomplishing their statist, oppressive aims is a complex and multi-front operation. It’s not just about one race, and all the effort people will put in opposing him in the general election would be better spent working on other crucial races.
# CDNMR Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
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You: Said like a true jackass, Michael. Your piece of paper on the wall doesn’t signify anything. Apparently your precious degrees haven’t taught you to use a dictionary:
Me: PIECES of paper. Plural. My diplomas from various military intelligence schools, nor my experience at the strategic and tactical levels doesn’t signify anything?
Hmm…
Who’s the real galloping little jackass here? I think you are, sir.
http://tinyurl.com/27l36la
Read some of my original analysis and learn something: http://commitmentwithamerica.com/05-29-2010/obama-2-0-postmodern-politics-and-the-ghost-of-situational-ethics/
Now, point to something that you’ve written that demonstrates inductive and deductive reasoning, basic moral fluency and the ability to think critically and perhaps you’ll have some credibility.
As far as I am concerned, you’re just another shallow, know-nothing little galloping jackass with crumpled whiskers and a singed cotton tail.
Now gallop on down the highway of delusion…for the worse deluded are the self-deluded…
Christopher, I agree with you. McCain, unfortunately, won the primary. We lost that one. Now it is time to focus on getting conservative Republicans elected in the general election.
I wouldn’t shed too many tears if Glassman upset McCain, but it not a good use of any Republican’s time to work for that.
We need to focus on the Congressional and legislative races where we can make a difference.
Travis says, “…If you are a PC and you work against the Republican nominee, you should resign or be removed.
I WILL BE WATCHING the Pullen/Haney crowd to see what they will be doing with the power and postition they have. If they continue to work against McCAIN, they should be prepared to be CONFRONTED by ANGRY Republicans who are tired of taking second place…”
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Here it is in black and white. Here is why the AZGOP can’t send a true conservative to the U.S. Senate this year.
Do voters in this state ever wonder exactly how McCain’s deep campaign pockets keep getting filled? Really!
McCain’s got enough money to take GOP primaries, so much so, that until a Hayworth bid this year, qualified conservatives don’t even think about challenging him.
Then his henchmen take over. Just like the SEIU thugs they are, they threaten and snarl and bully anyone inside the cabal into backing McCain…not the GOP…McCain! Even the Deakin people are fallin’ in line (surprise surprise).
You PCs know it’s wrong, but you buy into all the SEIU ra ra.. “we’re tired of taking second place” “oh me, oh my, we can’t let a Democrat win.” Look down hill yourself people. John McCain is a liberal! It’s a short fall! Or ask Sen. Jim Inhofe, author, “John McCain is a closet liberal!” http://bit.ly/aEGAct
Hunter:
Amen, and cheers!
More Bad News for the Hayworth RINO’s
Arizona Senate: McCain (R) 53%, Glassman (D) 31%
Even though as a conservative, I do not like McCain, there is something we all need to consider.
We need the Republicans to take back control of the Senate. Every Republican Senator counts..even if it is McCain. The thought of Chuck Schumer being the Majority Leader makes me physically ill. (because Reid will be defeated) So I will probably hold my nose and vote for him…