Over the course of the last few months, Arizona’s U.S. Senate race has really started to heat up on several fronts; the most heated are of course the interactions between the incumbent Senator, John McCain and the front running Republican challenger and Tea Party supported candidate, JD Hayworth. However, a not so publicized debate is going on between the local Arizona Tea Parties and the other Republican challenger and so called “tea party candidate” Jim Deakin.
Ever since February, when JD Hayworth received his first tea party endorsement from the Tea Party supporting political action committee, LibertyFirst PAC, Jim Deakin and his campaign have been working very hard to legitimize their tea party connection. The effort has yielded them very little, if any at all, support from the local Arizona tea parties. At the time of LibertyFirst PAC’s endorsement many of the local tea parties were not endorsing candidates; most weren’t legally able to due to IRS tax restrictions. Since March however, the tea parties have been working very closely with one another and working hand in hand with groups like the Patriot Caucus, Tea Party Patriots and the Arizona Tea Party Network to establish several alliances and coalitions for the sole purpose of endorsements, some specifically for showing support for Hayworth. In fact on August 2nd, a coalition of more than 16 Arizona state-wide, Tea Party and like-minded Conservative groups came together to announce they were all endorsing JD Hayworth to be the next United States Senator from Arizona.
Today those same 16 groups, including many of the local Arizona tea parties are now under attack from Jim Deakin, the so-called “tea party candidate”. Deakin is clearly not receiving the tea parties support and his campaign staff are now challenging the legal legitimacy of the groups via forum posts and Facebook notes like this one where he states, “Freedom loving Arizonans beware and be wary of Fake TEA Party Organizations designed to pray on your patriotism.” Aside from his obvious misuse of the word “pray”, he goes on to say that because the tea parties are endorsing Hayworth that this proves that they are simply GOP front groups, in particular the Patriot Caucus, and that now because they are endorsing Hayworth that they are also endorsing governmental policies on earmarks, cap and trade, amnesty, tax increases and every other thing that is against what the tea party stands for. Oddly enough, Mr. Deakin didn’t feel the same way about these groups a few months ago, which was right before right before they courted and endorsed Hayworth.
What Mr. Deakin and his campaign staff fail to realize is that, some of these groups were started by some of the original tea party organizers from around the nation and the state of Arizona; some of which are not even registered Republicans. The problem with Deakin’s complaints against “fake tea parties” not supporting him and publicly displaying his “sour grapes” attitude to the world is that the liberal media, and the John McCain media machine, will have a field day twisting and turning the truth about the tea parties to their advantage. Mr. Deakin hopes that his public outcries against the tea party movement will damage the various groups reputations; therefore damaging Hayworth’s reputation at the same time since he is their chosen tea party candidate. All the while, Mr. Deakin continues to slap the movement in the face as he condescendingly calls himself “the tea party candidate”, but in reality, he is not known for his tea party support…he is know in Arizona as “the spoiler candidate”.
Make no mistake about it, JD Hayworth is the Arizona tea parties chosen candidate for U.S. Senate. A majority of the local tea parties have went out of their way on numerous occasions to show their unwavering support for Hayworth, and Hayworth has returned the favor by going out of his way to support the tea parties. The relationship between the two is a bond between a politician and the people; just like our founding fathers would have wanted.
Video Description: JD Hayworth giving a very enthusiastic speech at the United Border Coalition Tea Party Rally held on Sunday, August 15th at the Arizona/Mexico border.
Source: http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-phoenix/who-is-the-real-arizona-tea-party-senate-candidate
57States,
The risk is on the side of the endorser not the recipient. That dog won’t hunt.
Produce the 527s and links to them for each entity that shows the legal right for these “organizations” to endorse. If you have other info, prove it and produce it. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Cough up or shut up. I will keep typing up the FEC complaint in the meantime.
JPD,
Did you find anything different in your digging into the “endorsements” than I did?
Stephen is on a tirade, mad because Jimmy Lee is a failed candidate. Jim Deakin led them down that primrose path, they fell for his lies, hook line and sinker. Now they know Jimmy will get paid off and they get nothing but grief. I think they realize they may get McCain for 6 more years because of Deakin and they know what a big mistake they made. Instead of joining a candidate who could defeat McCain, they thought Deakin could garner support from real voters, my Lord you 2 JPD and stephen, think about what you are saying, you sound so damn stupid.
SuzanneC,
Think of this an shedding the light of day on what some want to hide. I’ve lost track of all the people trumpting JD’s “Tea Party Endorsements.” After endless requests for the backup info showing that the groups endorsing had the legal right to do so, that the endorsements were controlled by the member organizations, that they were something other than an empty shell game, there were no reponses by anyone.
Since others didn’t shed light, I did. The result is endorsemetns by empty shells.
You like JD. I don’t. After much reflection I see very little difference between two professional politicians with 40 years of experience and bad legislation between them. So, I’ll pass on the two peas in a pod. No thank you. I’ll take door number 3. We disagree on our conclusion. It’s just that simple.
Stephen, then you as delusional as the rest of the Deakin supporters. The Conservative union has JD with 100% rating, Mccain has 63%, NRA has JD at an “A” rating McCain a “C”, but McCain made a big donation, and most probably threatened to vote against them if reelected. So do not preach to me, I do not belong to the NRA, I have resigned. Since you are so self-righteous about the Tea parties and trying to bad mouth them, are you really a Deakin supporter or a McCain supporter? It is the McCain bunch who went afer the Tea Parties demeaning them and until they came out for JD, little Jimmy Deakin was the “Tea Party Activist”. Opps Jimmy Lee changed slogan again.
Stephen – You have done a nice job of research, but not good enough. YOU never checked the DBA (Doing Business As)issue and therefore your research is incomplete.
All these posts fail to address the reason Deakin got into the race in the first place… it was to defeat McCain, Deakin can not acheive this goal. But somewhere the objective changed to electing Deakin.
Deakin publicly seems to believe he can defeat McCain, the truth is “he can’t”. Only through supporting JD can the original idea of defeating McCain be realized.
By the way, Deakin did not file his financial statements with the FEC because to do so would have revealed that McCain supporters have donated to Deakin’s campaign.
And now you know the rest of the story.
No guts, no glory Says,
More smoke, mirrors, red herrings and the dog ate my candidate. Cough up or shut up.
SuzanneC,
I have said nothing negative about the Tea Parties or the movement. I have questions the supposed “endorsements” by the “Tea Parties”. To date no one anywhere has provided proof of their legal status and ability to endorse, their 527s filings, the proof that the member organization
whose name is tied to the endorsement has direct control of the PAC using their name. Again, put up or shut up. The rest is JD fanatics blowing smoke to cover a mess of their making.
Kohut,
There is plenty to find, the FEC and IRS will be interested in the money flow between the c3’, c4, and 527’s once we file our complaints. Empty shells, Tea Person Endorsements, endorsement by many under one (PAC) – just seasoned politics with the typical unethical and immoral misfeasance one would expect from Hayworth and/or McCain and supporters.
These people want to be Tea Party Patriots and borrowing a line from Cavalier “so damn stupid”.
Cavalier, stupid is as stupid does – get on the clue bus. Deakin is not a failed candidate, how stupid are you to think if McCain gets the primary that he gets the general – you sound like a baby – grow up! Back to the Conservative Union and Hayworth’s voting score, it’s a shame just like these tea party endorsements. Scores are based on the original text of a bill as to if ACU would vote yes or no, no consideration is given by ACU to earmarks, amendments, riders and anything else that gets stuck on it to BRIBE for votes to pass. It’s the American Conservative Union – get it right so people can look up their voting/scoring matrix.
Robinson RAP, no one can shut you up, in fact why would any Deakin supporter want to do that, we like having you around, look at what it (you) produce, an official J.D. Hayworth Tea PERSON endorsement, #9 Mohave County Tea PERSON Patriot. Good job. Now if we lie, show all of us where we are lying ……………………… thought so.
57States, read the last 11 words of post 53.
LD17 read the last 11 words of post 53.
Holliday this is on Hayworth’s “Contract with Arizona”: what he intends to do.
Isn’t “comprehensive immigration reform” code talk for progressivism:…
http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/isnt-comprehensive-immigration
This is what it will cost short and long term.
Hayworth’s H.R.3938: “Enforcement First Immigration Reform Act of 2005”…
http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hayworths-hr3938-enforcement
This is what he did for 12 years – the last six and up to today he has been trying to undo the damamage but he is only focused on the MEXICAN border.
Hayworth’s Immigration-Reduction Grades 1994 to 2006…
http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hayworths-immigrationreduction
And than Hayworth wrote a book “What Ever It Takes” short title about what he should have done but didn’t. Finish with reading the last 11 words of post 53.
Mathews, what happen man – get sucked in? Forgot to put L.L.C. on EVTP. EVTP is owned by Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots – get it right and stop thre misrepresentation – truth in presentation. You play musical instruments, what happens when you miss notes? Anyway tell us about how EVTP broke off and Became EVTP L.L.C., no better yet tell us about the selling of email addresses for a buck a piece. How many addresses were there, 1400 plus? Did the east valley patriots know you guys were brokering their email addresses? How many times did you guys want to/sell them and to who? One more question – just post up your information – what are you hiding? Are you sure “an LLC can do pretty much whatever it wants to in the political arena.”? Are you sure?
Did everyone catch post #38. Remember Hayworth is going to be disappointed seeing he believes is character and principals like what he said to the Grande Valley Republican’s Women Club June 4, 2010, “a half truth is a full distortion.” OOOOOH YEEEAAAAA let’s send him back.
Sipmann, post #28, you slipped out form under the tank again, YOU LIE. Go home and look in the eyes of your kids and think about what you stand for.
“For you should not press a desperate foe to hard.” Sun Tzu
Correction: Mohave County Tea (PERSON) Party Patriot(s) is #10.
JDP,
Steven Robinson must feel crowded in his body to fit an entire “Tea Party” inside just one “Tea Person”. Can you say blivet, AKA ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag?
Wow, JPD. What has happened to you? Nothing you state here is true. We are not owned by anybody, we did not sell our mailing list, we did not break off from anyone. We were the first Tea Party in the area and continue with much of the original leadership. Greater Phoenix Tea Party came after us. I would say that it is you who have been sucked in. In order to get your guy elected you will stoop to anything. You really should be ashamed of yourself. I never thought you could be capable of such slander. You act like a Leftist.
Harry,
The East Valley Tea Party trade name is owned by Greater Phoenix Tea Party. It is not owned by East Valley Tea Party LLC which is owned by you, Greg Western, Easton Kelsey, Kin Liang and Jennifer Patentegor. For the real story should I pick up the phone and call Barb Decarmine or speak with her Saturday at the PCRC meeting. Dollars to doughnuts Barb had a ringside seat to the GPTP/EVTP battle and seperation over endorsements. What do you think Barb would say?
When Deakin announced his mortgage problems were because of “greedy Wall Street bankers” it became bad farce.
His public statement, his chance to promote his vision, was boilerplate Nancy Pelosi.
And if McCain hadn’t gone to the mat for McCain-Feingold “Campaign FInance Reform” this comments section about what Tea Parties can and cannot do on endorsements would have been a lot shorter.
I love the lack of answers from Keith Sipmann, Steven Robinson (A Tea Party of 1), Harry Matthews, Pam Stevenson, and the entire crew of “endorsement” orchestrators. Zero, nada, zip. The silence is deafening. On the other hand, the FEC will have a ball.
JPD Says:
August 18th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Kohut,
Holliday this is on Hayworth’s “Contract with Arizona”: what he intends to do.
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I understand your point and under normal circumstances, say without Maobama or a recession under our belt, might be inclined to cast a vote for a third candidate but not at this juncture in time.
That was then, this is now. JD’s repented of his illegal alien errors.
I go by this: 100 percent pro life.
To me that tells me his core value for life is impregnable. He’s got to tap into that conviction going forward and not waver on the issue of amnesty. I don’t think he will.
Then I go with lessons of the past, realities of the present and the deterioration of the border/State finances issue.
JD was wrong on the illegal alien issue. The economy, and especially the State finances due to the influx of money from the housing boom, was better. So were jobs for Americans and illegals. The issue was hot but not white hot. JD was wrong. The the false boom and fat State coffers masked the situation creating a sense of false prosperity. Many got sucked in.
However, JD’s seen the errors of his ways — lessons of the past — and corrected them to fit the realities of the present.
I, and many other people, will be watching JD to make sure he delivers on his promises when elected to the Senate.
You are right in your felt concern but wrong — I believe — in your conclusions.
McCain, for sure will go with amnesty.
I can’t see JD flipping on us once he gets in. It would be too absurd. He’d have sold his soul to the devil. And what’s the purpose of maintaining a 100 percent pro life record if the devil’s got you?
I go with the new and improved JD…
Deakin Donuts should play his cards right, get his house in order, be a noble statesman, and prepare for a future as a congressman first — after taking a calculated risk and backing JD.
I think the McCain threat is that palpable.
At this point I don’t think JD cares about Deakin too much, but every vote counts.
But, Deakin’s about to blow his one shot at not being seen as anything but a divisive character. Sorry if you don’t like my analysis but it’s reality, except to the hard-core Constitutional Fundamentalists, who’ll never be happy until George Washington himself comes down and shakes their hand.
Partial reality is to be found in the granularity of your investigative reporting on what JD did in the past. But that only tells one side of the story.
The other part lies in the fact that most people don’t pay that much attention and go with their feelings and credal passions and passivities of the moment. The same crowd that celebrates Jesus one day is the same crowd that’s screaming for Barrabas to be let loose instead of JC.
JD is not a gamble, he’s a calculated risk.
JD, and Deakin are politicians. they need to be watched closely, lest they stray.
I applaud your vigilance and sincerity.
What really concerns me is possible massive social unrest over the direction the liberal lunatics are taking us, especially if there’s a large scale terrorist attack and Maobama and company keep telling us how great the Muslims are and how they’ve been a part of America since day one. People are sick of the leftist propaganda and alien, anti-American mind set of these amoral, evil elites.
Our government should be real concerned that the people are getting really angry. When that happens, and we haven’t seen it in over a century, real sh*t hits the fan.
Maybe it needs to happen.
I’d start watching for some sort of military unrest if there’s a big terror strike and the rhetoric remains one of ultra-tolerance.
If you know what I mean…
Well Stephen Kohut,
You are another fellow who ought to be ashamed. You know there is nothing deceptive going on in the EVTP. If you want to call Barb Decarmine or anyone else you would like to call go ahead and do so. But it makes no differnce. If you spent as much attacking the Left as you do attacking Tea Party members we would have taken the country back by now. You are dishonoring yourself and your country despite what you may think. You are doing much more harm than good. Continuing down this path will also hurt your candidate.
The East Valley Tea Party was never controlled or a part of GPTP. We used to work with them but that has not been the case for 9 months.
The split had nothing to do with endorsements. At the time of the split no one was endorsing and in fact JD was not even running yet.
As for the email addresses being sold we suspected someone but could never prove it.
I do know that I received emails from groups I never signed up with and when I inquired how they got my email they played dumb. If you have proof of our emails being sold please let me know so we can take appropriate action.
I have been following this conversation and really wanted to stay out of it but I feel I am not able to now. I would rather be working at getting our country back to what the founding fathers intended witch is limited government and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Stephen I thought we were friends and if you had a problem or a question for me you have my phone number and we could have talked instead you choose to attack me, my friends, and the group I help lead. Isn’t that what the left does? I thought we were better then that.
We are never going to agree on everything or every candidate but that is what makes all this so fun. We have differences and different talents and we should be working together and not fighting amongst ourselves.
To me this is all so sad and a waste of time.
How are we ever going to defeat the leftist’s, progressive’s and Marxist’s if we can’t even get along. Wouldn’t your time be better spent fighting the enemies of freedom.
Folks the ENEMY IS AT THE GATE but at the rate we are going is all they will have to do is watch us tear each other to shreds.
We have an amazing opportunity to make things better. Never in our countries history, since the revolution, have so many stood up against the tyranny that has taken hold within our borders and within our own government so let’s not waste it.
One more thing. I am reminded of Ronald Reagan’s eleventh commandment witch was never say a bad word about a fellow republican. I like and admire Ronald Reagan tremendously and believe that we should follow his advice.
Keep up the fight and stay free!!!!!!
I cannot help but think that the McCain camp is salivating at all the in-fighting and attacks going on here. People, we are not the enemy…all this is over one candidate not getting an endorsement? Would this be an issue HAD Mr. Deakin received the endorsement he is so quick to define as fake and illegitimate?
Please take a step back gentlemen and re-evaluate who should be in your gun-sites.
Greg & Harry,
I play this straight up and do not like to see people gamed for political advantage. I’ve been aware of the GPTP/EVTP split for a while. It looked very wrong to me so I started digging. What I learned about the split and what followed is why I do not stop in any more to help with recruiting Pinal PCs.
Kelly and Pam’s deal was Pam did not want to be under Kelly’s umbrella because Pam wanted a PAC so they could endorse JD and Kelly held fast to no endorsements. The people involve with the startup after the split were Doug Ardt, Ron Ludders, Wes Harris, Lee Earle, Pam Stevenson, Randy Hatch, Honey Marquez, Steve Robinson, Barb Decarmine plus a few others. Doug chaired the meeting. Doug wanted the tea parties to give up their email lists to this organization. There was a fight over use of the email lists because of confidentiality. Doug was steamed because he wanted access to the lists. The ongoing fights over the email lists, leadership, etc. drove away Jeannie and Barb.
The whole mess reeks to high Heaven. The issue and game from day one was to orchestrate “TP” endorsements for JD. That drove the split from GPTP and empty shell endorsements that followed. If you have been following the conversation you both were in a position to answer the questions asked by me and others. You didn’t.
No one race is worth the damage this one has caused or the failure to be moral and ethical in dealing with others. No matter who “wins” it all comes to an end on 8/24. Was it worth it?
# Stephen Kohut Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 5:54 am
No one race is worth the damage this one has caused or the failure to be moral and ethical in dealing with others.
No matter who “wins” it all comes to an end on 8/24. Was it worth it?
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Good question.
I’ve conducted myself morally and have used logic, rhetoric, persuasion, sweat, toil and honesty to get my points across.
I’ve done nothing unethical.
The form and manner of the victory are important to me and I can see how the over-enthusiasm or desperation of people makes them do stupid things.
I think it’s in the nature of the competitive drive to win at all costs. It’s actually a turn-off for many people to see candidates attacking each other and not the issues.
I, for one, like a good fight. There’s a lot worth fighting for and about.
I don’t think there’s much permanent damage done during this election. The real damage will come to our country depending on who’s elected…
So much of this mess has been about power, position and control – the very thing some pretend to be against.
I, like many people, participated in the Tea Party Movement because we were tired of abuse of power and the strangle hold of government on people who simply want to be free.
This fighting and struggling over power and control of the “Tea Party” brand shows that all these people do not care or understand what personal responsibility, liberty or freedom from tyranny means.
People who truly love this country and these principles have moved on. We left all this nasty fighting to the small-minded idiots who want to control email lists, names and, ironically – government lables (501c3, 527, LLC, etc).
You can have your organizations, your labels and your rules.
The rest of us will be free. Free to support whomever we choose. Free to say what we want, wherever we want – without caring who will attack us personally for it.
Is Deakin even a Conservative? How do we know he is not a Liberal plant? The way he behaves and his little army of McDeakins – he sure is acting like a liberal plant.
It is plainly obvious he cares nothing about the direction this country is heading. Spending all his time and energy crying because conservatives around the state chose not to endorse him. So he, his wife, and his McDeakin army have declared war, so it seems, on the Arizona conservative base
Just like what you would expect from a Liberal plant!
What… he’s supposed to sit back and just take these personal and nasty attacks against him sitting down and like it?
How passive aggressive of you 57.
Stephen,
It saddens me to see Patriots fighting amongst themselves. We are all passionate about who we support because we each care so much for the cause of freedom and for our great country. Thank you Greg for your comments. I agree wholeheartedly.
Just so you know, I did not step down as chairman for the East Valley TEA Party because I wanted to endorse candidates. No TEA Party endorsement/support was given to J.D. (as a joint effort) until August 2010. I stepped down in April 2010 to focus on my business but was asked by the national TEA Party Patriots to be the state director and work with the TEA Parties across Arizona. As such, we started a network so the leaders could get to know each other and help one another reach their goals.
Two months ago, we formed 3 Groups on a website asking the leaders that wanted to make endorsements to sign up and work together to support one of 3 candidates for the Senate race- John McCain, J.D, Hayworth or Jim Deakin. Each conference call, I would remind the leaders to sign up in a group so they could work together to show support for their candidate. I repeated this invitation over and over to make sure that groups could coordinate and have a way to work together. The leaders were asked to poll the members in their group to see if they wanted to endorse and if they did want to endorse- which candidate did their group agree on. Group leaders conducted polls within their groups to determine the candidate that the majority of the people favored.
All of the leaders that joined a candidate group- joined a group to support J.D. Hayworth. No groups signed up to work together to support John McCain or Jim Deakin. The groups that endorse/support J.D. Hayworth met at J.D.’s office to have a Press Conference. The press came but reported nothing about the announcement on TV, radio or in the newspaper.
This TEA Party support for J.D. comes from thousands of TEA Party members. They have studied the Constitution and met face to face with candidates for over a year. Every individual has their right to support who they want to support. Please be considerate of all these patriots.
The East Valley TEA Party broke away from Kelly Townsend’s blog for reasons other than endorsing candidates. That had nothing to do with it. Many other TEA Party groups disassociated themselves with Kelly’s blog as well- Daisey Mountain TEA Party, North Phoenix TEA Party, TEA Party Patriots of Scottsdale, Glendale TEA Party, Mesa TEA Party… I am not sure of the total count.
We don’t all agree on everything but I think it is important to be respectful when we disagree.
Tuesday is right around the corner, let’s everyone, please support your candidates as we fight for our country!
Stevenson, how sweet, give me a break referring to Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots as Kelly’s blog – just goes to show how false you are. The publics perception is TEA PARTIES DO NOT ENDORSE but if you insist go right ahead and mate them with the GOP machine. True Patriots will survive. Just take a look at your work, all the endorsements that are cheap, gutless, legal but morally and ethnically bankrupt.
Tell us if you had a part in advising Mr. Hatch:
Hayworth Endorsement #9 Mesa Red Mountain Tea Party http://patriothq.com/2010/08/19/hayworth-endorsement-9-mesa-red-mountain-tea-party-2
Joseph Daniel (JPD), you’re right, true patriots will survive; even after your countless attacks on them and rambling all over the internet.
One thing I’ve noticed about your posts is that you think everyone should view the tea parties the way YOU see them. Well, that sounds pretty egotistical to me. The movement has changed since it first started. It is in 6th gear while your still stuck in reverse.
As for as I can tell, the public perception is that the tea parties should get more involved, and should endorse. A simple Google search will provide the confirmation of that. Tea parties all over America are endorsing candidates. I guess you forgot about Scott Brown or Sharron Angle. If you have research or a valid scientific poll to back up your assumptions on this, I’d like to see it.
On a side note; I’ve called the FEC today to see how they would handle your supposed investigation of the tea parties who are endorsing candidates; what I was told was “the FEC is not investigating ANY tea parties at this time because we aren’t sure exactly how to classify them”. So your ramblings about the FEC investigating these groups is completely unfounded and the more I read your remarks seems more like fear mongering than anything else. You sound like a left-wing nut crying that your candidate didn’t get the vote of the tea party so your going on rampage to defame them…its pretty weak and it makes your candidate look completely uncivilized.
Mark V., Sharron Angle endorsed by Independent Caucus that is not a Tea Party, Tea Party Express PAC – GOP. It was the IC endorsement that got her in – do some more research.
Scott Brown, Tea Party Express PAC – GOP. Call wnet out for Tea Parties to support with donations – support and endorse are two different things.
Your FEC comment is bogus, try again.
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