This is a reprint from the DiggersRealm.com.
Our prayers and thoughts go out to Rob’s family.
The body of Rancher Rob Krentz and his dog were found shot to death on his ranch. Krentz, who always was good-natured and willing to help people, had called in that he had found an illegal alien at one of his watering holes and was assisting him. That was the last that was heard from him before his body was discovered.
Rob Krentz was a lifelong rancher in Southeastern Arizona, 12 miles north of the U.S./Mexico border and 25 miles northeast of the city of Douglas. He was the father of three children. The ranch has been in his family for three generations, more than 100 years – since 1907, and sits on about 35,000 acres with 1,000 head of cattle. Running a ranch is hard work and with the influx of illegal aliens increasing, Rob was at ground zero of the stampede that is destroying the fragile desert landscape.
The Krentz family has received numerous threats in the past by illegal aliens trespassing on their property. In 2002, the family was physically threatened when one of them stumbled upon a group of 39 illegal aliens. They were told to get off the land and they made threats. The Border Patrol did catch the illegal aliens after they were called, but we all know that illegal aliens, if deported, come right back across.
In 1999, Krentz and his wife Susan did an interview with PBS when they came around asking about the issue of illegal immigration and its impacts on the local ranchers.
“We’ve been broken into,” Susan Krentz told PBS.
Rob and Susan Krentz
“One time,” Rob said “You know, we’ve personally been broke in once. And they took about $700 worth of stuff. And you know, if they come in and ask for water, I’ll still give them water. I – you know, that’s just my nature.”
In 2003, Congressman Tom Tancredo mentioned the challenges of the border ranchers, and in particular highlighted the the Krentz family’s plight.
“In the month of November, 2002, in the Tucson Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol … where the Krentz ranch is located, the Border Patrol apprehended 23,000 border crossers,” Tancredo wrote. “many people would suggest that the [apprehension] ratio is just about maybe one in five, and that is a very conservative estimate. … I think it is closer to one in ten”.
That means in that sector alone for one month, 8 years ago, the most conservative estimate is that 115,000 illegal aliens crossed the border in that one chunk of land in the Tucson sector. All of the illegals are unknown.
Tancredo notes that the Krentz’s did mention to him that they called the Border Patrol. In one instance illegal aliens had butchered one of his calves.
In February [2002] … a calf was butchered by illegal alien trespassers. Two men responsible were caught. They were tried. They were found guilty. They served a total of 51 days in jail. They were also ordered to pay $200 in restitution to the Krentz ranch. The Krentz ranch has not seen a cent of that money; and, of course, our best guess is they will not because these people have been released. They either came back into the population up here in the U.S.A. or returned to Mexico.
Tancredo goes into the cases of deliberate sabotage of the Krentz ranch’s water supply and the other impacts on the Krentz’s by illegal aliens. You can read more, where Tancredo dubs the Krentzs American Homeland Heroes
6 years after the PBS interview, in 2005, Krentz did an interview with KOLD as the number of illegal aliens exploded.
“We’re being over-run, and it’s costing us lots and lots of money,” Krentz said.
“We figured it up over the last five years and it’s cost us over $8 million,” Krentz said. “Cattle don’t like people walking through, so they move. So, cattle weight loss, destruction of fences, breaking our pipelines, they break them in two and (the pipes) run for two or three days before we find it.”
Krentz went on to say that when he was a boy he actually knew the few illegal aliens that came through looking for work, he said it’s nothing like that now as hundreds of unknown illegals stream across his land.
Rob Krentz is just one of the many people who live and work along our southern border. A tough, hard working man who was trying to make a living and doing what he loved. Those who support illegal aliens will talk about “human rights”, but where were the “human rights” when it came to Rob Krentz? Where was the government to protect our border and prevent this from happening, though they’ve been told time and time again? They didn’t protect his property rights, nor his civil rights.
This country failed Robert Krentz, his family and all who work for him. As they have failed countless families all across this country. The number of deaths is estimated to be from 15-25 deaths caused by illegal aliens each day in this country.
It is not known yet whether Krentz was specifically targeted or whether it was just one of the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who come across our border every year who have actual criminal records, but in the end does it matter? A hard working man was killed on his own land. And all for just trying to help out someone in need.
And that is simply outrageous.
Rest in peace Robert Krentz, the country will surely miss a great and kind man like you.
This truly is a sad day in America and my heart goes out to this family. We the People of the United States need to be thoroughly fed up. Unfortunately adding border patrol will most likely not solve the issue in my opinion. It needs to be two pronged; additional patrol, and …. Shut off why illegal immigrants are coming here in the first place: which is Free Support. It is costing us millions and costing us lives. Come to this country legally, you’re invited. But come prepared to be a contributing member of this society and pay your way. Coming here illegally to get a free hand-out has got to stop. Turn it off (welfare, schooling, etc). The State of California is coming up on an election. This is a key topic I personally will be using to make my decision on who I vote for. We need to be selecting Leaders across the board who are willing to stand up for this issue and start taking back the reins of this Country. My thoughts and prayers are with you, truly a sad day.
Great article on the illegal immigration issue by George Will called Guard the Border — and Face Facts, Too
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/29/AR2006032902004.html
Naw, that was not a good article. We were fooled once; most of us (you may be an exception) won’t be fooled again.
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todd Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Laura,
Maybe you should stop judging what people in poverty have based on a commercial.
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My Kenyan supervisor, who supervised a nutrition rehabilitation center for severely malnourished children went to the USA for a month and came back, shaking her head. She’d been taken to a shelter in a poor section of the city for unwed mothers. Being sociable, she chatted with one girl about how she was doing, and how the baby was coming along.
The girl replied, “I don’t know whether the child will come out okay because of all this poverty I’m living in.”
My supervisor looked at her for a long, long moment, then she said, “YOU have a bed, with a clean mattress, with clean sheets. The bed is in a room, in a brick building with a roof that doesn’t leak. You have meals. In my country, people sleep in cardboard boxes, if they are lucky enough to get one. They get up before the sun comes up, and fold up the box so the police won’t come by and smash it, and then pick trash for hours of the day, trying to find something that can be sold for a shilling or two or traded for a mug of tea to drink.”
The girl stared at her, then finally said, “I …guess I don’t have it so bad after all.”
“No you don’t,” she replied.
Well, since the allegation has been made that if we offer a legal, working right in this country for non-criminal immigrants to come in to work, then the only people crossing into places like the Krentz Ranch will be illegals, I propose this:
1. Let the non-criminals come in for temporary work “that the rest of us won’t do.”
2. Shoot the rest of them as the sneak across the border like the criminals they are.
3. Send the Mexican government a bill for 50% of the money they would have spent incarcerating these criminals.
You’re a fool Thane. You’re only speaking of probabilities. Immigration renovation may drop the numbers from hundreds to fewer hundreds?
If 15-25 are killed every day, do you expect to get that to 10? 5? less?
I am speaking as a fellow rancher along the border area of NM/AZ. There is talk about these immigrants coming in illegally and living off the tax paying Americans, this is true and some kind of reform does need to be made to deal with this. To me this is a completely different set of people and a different problem. The man who killed Rob was not one looking for “a new life and the American Dream” he was most likely a drug runner. He knows that the Border Patrol cannot physically hurt him, that it is against US law for a US citizen to shoot or even hurt another human being whether or not that human is from the US or not. They know that the US Government is trying to take our guns away from us! The time has come for Americans living along the border to take matters into their own hands, we are tired of waiting for the border patrol to actually get on the border instead of “patrolling” Highway 9! Highway 9 is not the border folks!!! Why aren’t the border patrol trained to deal with these violent people? Oh just leave that up to the local law enforcement…WHY? The is millions of dollars put into BORDER SECURITY…FOR WHAT, so that I can pass by and see 4 (yes count them…four) 2008 FORD diesel Border patrol pick-ups stopped at the intersection of NM 9 and NM 113 chatting in the middle of the afternoon??? Its time to speak up out there! I tell you, we are gonna pack when we are checkin’ waters! Sue, my prayers are with you.
This is so tragic, sad and sickening. How much longer will it take for our government to do something about there outrageous policies. This man deserved better, he deserved to live his life on his ranch in peace, with his wife. I think she should sue the federal government and the state of Arizona. If everyone started sueing the government when atrocities like this happen, maybe they would take notice. And to think that the former Gov of AZ is the Secretary of Homeland Security! What a disgrace!
A rancher family for 100 yaers of sweat and blood….and where did it get Rob Krentz???
We can put a man on the moon ….but choose to let illegals enter and shoot a man and his dog…. because no one will wake up to the fact that this HAS TO STOP NOW!!!! Just shoot to kill and kill all that try to come in…ALL!!!! then maybe we can get a grip on it!
Stop with the we must be humane. WE have a USURPER in our WHITE HOUSE and no one will stand up for what we and Rob have all fought for as Americans who need protection…This makes me sick/ill and it’s so very dirty to die this way…..
America….PLEASE start waking up this just happened and will soon be everywhere at anyones home or at work. Make a STAND and let’s all remember Rob and his dog!!!!!!
REMEMBER THE ALAMO.Just because Mexico is a failing country does’nt mean it’s inept trash has to take it out on one of our countrymen.An authentic person died at the hands of total mexican trash.I was in the middle of one of thier robberies here in PHX 8-9 yrs ago and it never leaves a person witnessing what kind of inept trash they are with the possibility of some one being shot.A 40 caliber is my best friend anywhere on the street in this town/state.Unfortunately trash is in all colors but this last incident really magnifies it for thier race/country.
When will this nation wake up to the fact that we are in a war for our very survival? On our boarders. In our states. In our cities. And especially in Washington. Rome burned as Nero (aka Obama et al who actually lit the fires), fiddled. November can’t come soon enough. But it won’t bring back Rob Krentz – a father and husband who proudly carried on the pioneer spirit that made this country great – a love of freedom that made the west what it once was – the most free territory in the land of the free. Maybe the time has come to change “Remember the Alamo” to “Remember Rob Krentz!”
“Remember Rob Krentz!”
GOOD WORDS HB.SNIPERS COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK AT THE BORDER TCB WOULD BE A FITTING TRIBUTE TO THIS PERSON THAT DIED WRONGLY.
Not all White European immigration was “open” immigration. Australia is not the only country with a history of convict immigration. My family was told to leave England. The days of open, legal immigration are long gone. Third world countries are third world countries for very good reasons. You get the government you deserve. There is a war going on for control of the border.
PRIMATES SCREWING LIKE RABBITS DOES’NT HELP EITHER.CHINA HAS RESTRICTIONS ON HOW MANY KIDS ARE BORN PER FAMILY.OBVIUOSLY MEXICO HAS NO RESTRICTIONS BUT ITS OKAY FOR THIER TRASH SPAWN TO BE HERE ABUSING OUR SYSTEM AND NOT SHOWING THE MOTHERS FACE ON TELEVISION AT HER REQUEST WHICH WAS ON TV AWHILE AGO.IF CHINA CAN REGULATE SO SHOULD’NT MEXICO WHICH IS PROBABLY TOO LATE.
It is sad to hear of another death that could have and should have been prevented.
If you are just the least bit observant, you will realize the Medias…including Fox…almost never report on the murder of people on American soil at the hands of illegal aliens. Seeing this successful joint cover-up by the Medias and our Representatives who sweep murder committed by illegals out of the headlines should make you realize the scope of power against our efforts to stop this invasion. And…this didn’t just begin with the Obama administration.
In 2006, Steve King of Iowa released statistics that twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers. Apparently, the government doesn’t want proof they have complete disregard for the rule of law and their oath of office.
Astounding….the government will gladly collect data on how many United States citizens own guns, but they refuse to allow a data base on illegal alien crime.
I was shocked to learn that many Georgians had not read or heard of the horrible death of little nine year old Jordin Paulder some years back. A brief account is that Jordin was playing in his yard with two other children when an illegal got out of his car…came over to the child and planted an axe to the middle of his forehead killing him almost immediately.
Carolyn Cooke of Family Security Matters got it right when she stated: “It is because you were not supposed to hear the details of this slaying of a little boy by a violent man who had no right to be in this in the country”.
Ms. Cooke writes:
“With her studied, grave demeanor, Katie Couric, anchor of the CBS Evening News, did not tell the nation about the indefensible and preventable loss of the 9-year-old son of American citizens, another victim dead at the hands of unidentified people from across the world who enter our country at will.
An overly dramatic Geraldo Rivera was not rushed to Atlanta to cover the 100 percent preventable slaying of this innocent child or to express his sympathy for the terror the boy must have experienced in the minutes before he died.
CNN is headquartered in Atlanta, but the dogged Nancy Grace did not track down frightened family members and interview them regarding their concerns about the murderer and the rush by officials to close the case.
The story was underreported, quickly and deliberatively removed from public consciousness, buried in the hopes it would be forgotten.”
This is the moral of the story of all victims of illegal aliens. Forgotten. Just since 9/11 we have approximately 78,000 of those “underreported stories” with their “forgotten” victims.
I hope when Arizona voters cast a vote for their Senator this November, they will remember there are consequences when laws are ignored and a foreign invasion is allowed.
I thank you all for your comments. For those of you who disagree with me, I’ll mention that I am running for Arizona State Treasurer. If you disagree with me I hope you take the time to seek out one of my opponents and offer your support to their campaign:
Andrei Cherney – Democrat
Thayer Verschoor – Republican
Barbara Leff – Republican
Theodore “Ted” Carpenter – Republican
Doug Ducey – Republican
“We can put a man on the moon ….but choose to let illegals enter and shoot a man and his dog….”
Obama has cancelled the border fence and the moon program so apparently we aren’t doing either anymore….
Shane, clean-up on troll #70 & #72 who is planting crap to make SA look bad.
I really hope these lawbreakers go find our traitorous legislators/governing members of this gov’t and do to them what they did to Mr. Krentz. The governing body of our government who are supposed to protect Americans are betraying Americans turning a blind eye to the murders, rapes, child molestations that go on every single day by illegal aliens who not only have no business in this country but are breaking tons of our laws each time they enter illegally (with their fraudulent ID’s, etc.) and no rights here except one: to be deported in a humane fashion (that is, unless they get violent and then they deserve what they get)! The legislators/president/DHS who have allowed this situation to murder Americans need to feel the pain they are causing! It is called Karma!
A Comment for whoever this Thane is: we don’t have jobs! Get it through your head there are 16 million Americans completely unemployed and another 15 Million Americans who are underemployed. It jives with the amount of illegal aliens really in this country (not the 12 million they have been saying for 7 years!!!) Thousands are still coming through on a daily basis and have been seen! The illegals have stolen our jobs with the help of big business who want cheap labor and the illegals undercut our wages so they can steal our jobs. They don’t care if Americans can’t put food on the table for our children. They only care about themselves! There is already too many millions of people (Americans) unemployed and we don’t need more people in this country to cause more poverty! It’s called “common sense” which is not very common anymore! We are no longer the land of plenty! We are the land of debt and unemployment largely caused by illegal aliens and big business & GLOBALISTS who have planned all this. Have you noticed this is happening all over the world. This does not happen by itself!
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Couldn’t have said it better. The Media Complex including FOX aid and abet this criminal syndicate……
wanuba,I got your troll and its hangin.No crap is being planted,just the truth you can’t deal with punk.
waaahh-N.A.M.B.L.A,WAIT A MINUTE,I’M SORRY,I MEAN-S.A.M.B.L.A,I mean WANUMBA or most likely—S.A.M.B.L.A—RIGHT?
Linda7965,
Steve Kings numbers you cite are entirely made up: http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200610310005
wanumba,
You seem to repeat this point often – that somehow if someone’s situation isn’t as bad as a Kenyan refugee camp or life in Southern Sudan then there is nothing to complain about. I don’t find this a convincing argument for why we should turn our backs on poverty in the US and is in fact deeply myopic.
Todd…you may very well be correct…In fact taking into consideration the death because of huge quanties of drugs flowing to the vulnerable youth here in America would probably considerably increase that figure of 78,000 since 9/11.
Carlos Slim just passed Bill Gates as the riches man. Americans continue to be played for suckers.
Our border provides an escape valve which lets the Mexican political and economic elite off the hook in terms of providing opportunities for their own people. One of the many very wealthy Mexicans who do not wish to pay taxes finds a better payback in loaning money to the beleaguer New York Times. The New York Times of course will write articles to advance opened borders for Mexico’s non-English speaking, unskilled, uneducated, citizens. This leaves Carlos Slim with paying little or no taxes in Mexico. The conglomerate of Slim-controlled telecom, banking, tobacco, retailing, insurance, construction, and other interests has been estimated to add up to 7 percent of Mexico’s GDP. When Mexican presidents complain that the “dignity” of Mexicans living illegally in America requires that they receive free healthcare on the U.S. taxpayer’s dime, he is really talking about increased remittances to keep their whole corrupt system afloat. It’s up to Mexico to solve its problem, and basically the wealthy classes do not want to tax themselves.
Another truth not often mentioned: “This invasion crisis can be linked to just about every problem in our country! It’s absolutely riddled our national security with deadly results and added mega billions to our tax debt; it’s made our borders virtually meaningless and our law and justice systems apparently irrelevant”. The recent sub-prime mortgage debacle leads to the One World Order bunch using illegal immigration as a tool.
Todd…or whoever you are. Look up the term “useful idiot”…and see if it has your name is used to illustrate the meaning.
Something has got to be done about border violence. We hear how many people are killed in Iraq and Afganistan, and people are outraged. Where is the outrage for innocent Americans killed at our borders?
I am amazed at the shocking ignorance and stupidity of the replies here to Thane. If those of you researched our current immigration laws you would find that the USA does not openly welcome law abiding immigrants. It currently takes from 6 to 28 years to LEGALLY IMMIGRATE into the USA!!!
For a true look at how difficult and expensive it is to LEGALLY immigrate got to: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128999.html -for a page from Reason Magazine with a 2 page spread on how difficult it is to what it takes to legally immigrate to America. Click on this twice
And if drugs were legal and taxed appropriately and the tax money used to educate against using/abusing and medicate for those that do we would not have the same criminal problem as now.
And for those of you that believe in the immorality of using drugs we currently have cigarettes and alcohol legal to consume and they cause more than 500,000 deaths annually as compared to 30,000 deaths from illegal drugs.
To say Thane supports the murder of Bob is simply missing his point. He does not condone the murder either. But is we acutually had a sensible immigration policy we woulld most of our current border problems.
IMO our Government secretly supports ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION as it is wonderful political BS-football at election time.
How come our Senators and Congressmen have never achieved a sensible legal immigration policy??
This is the jpeg of the chart
http://www.reason.com/images/07cf533ddb … 2ef5ad.jpg
Inforcement not immigration law is the issue. Get a clue. A nation that cannot or will not control its borders fails the definition of a sovereign state.
http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/Invasion.html
Bunyip Says:
March 30th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
I am amazed at the shocking ignorance and stupidity of the replies here to Thane.
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How diplomatic of you, and wrong. Numerous times here it has been stated that the current immigration process needs fixing because it takes so long, but despite that there are people who are very diligently adhering to it, enduring much frustration and waiting. They do that because they are the kind of people who reepct the Rule of Law, the very people this country needs and wants. Menawhile, they are discouraged to see people who can’t be bothered to do any papoerwork whatsoever waltz in and be considered as poor put-upon things.
Congress could have fixed that years ago, but allows the current system to limp along. All the people who claim to “care” about illegals perversely spend more time helping them dodge the system than helping them get thru it legally or working to try to stop the system from functioning, like neutering existing law enforcement on illegals in the form of “sanctuary cities” and other such corrosive gimmicks, such as crying “racist” every time a citizen complains.
This limbo system allows a great abuse of illegals – employers dodging taxes, mandates, holding illegal workers hostage for pay becuase they can’t complain, coyote traffickers get percentage cuts and still strand hapless people inthe desert to die.
But legalize drugs? No way. They are too addictive and damaging. They deserve the requirement to be banned. How about getting Hollywood to stop making it look so “cool?” They are amongst the worst narcisstist drug consuming offenders in the country and they promote their druggie carelessness thru the media they produce.
The argument about cigarettes and alcohol being equivalent isn’t valid. Give people the choice:
two planes:
1) has a pilot who is a chain smoker
2) has a pilot who is a … pick one:
cocaine user, LSD, Marijuana, meth, crack
Second option:
who you want to fly with:
1) pilot who drinks a beer once day while off-duty
2) a pilot who tokes weed once a day off duty, or snorts cocaine once a day off duty, or takes meth, or LSD .. all off duty
HOw about a pilot who chain smokes AND drinks a glass of wine off duty?
Yah. Wild horses couldn’t drag people onto a plane they know has a drug-using pilot. They don’t blink with a pilot who flicks off a cigarette before boarding.
Back to the subject, which shouldn’t be ignored:
Michelle Malkin has been bringing this to national attention:
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/30/from-the-front-lines-ranchers-speak-out-on-border-choas/
Crying shame. So much for buying that place south of Bisbee. Everywhere else in the world it’s called Human Trafficking. And the same gangs that smuggle drugs, smuggle people. Environmental destruction of thousands moving through this area is never addressed. The number of kidnappings and murders in Arizona metro areas is getting rampant. Where is Napolitano? Wasn’t she our Governor? Stop wasting assets raiding Michigan trailer parks and PROTECT OUR CITIZENS!
Thane,
My heart goes out to this family of Mr. Krentz. I have lived in Texas for 35 years. Each year our illegal alien status grows and grows. I see many start up businesses and never pay a dime of taxes. What is happening to us now is people like you that have a bleeding heart and no head regarding what it has depleted in our resources to the point we are without Social Security, Medicare.
Legalize them? If they had it so badly here without being legal we would not have so many in our country illegally. They would want to become citizens of the US. I have traveled in other countries and no country is as kind as ours but when people move here from other countries for our kindness, our laws, they seem to want to change it to be like their country? I don’t understand that, why don’t they stay in their own country and clean it up, try to change it rather than bring their laws here that they ran away from in the first place?
This killing of a rancher is senseless. Why the federal government hasn’t tightened this border after 9-11 I’ll never understand. I have been involved in law enforcement as a volunteer. Mexican’s recruiting gang members was as far back as 22 years for me. So I don’t understand how this has been allowed to get to this point when so many have tried to secure the borders to prevent this senseless killing. I guess it will take the people not the government to secure it for the US. Why has it taken the economy and drug smuggling and the death of this rancher to make one realize we need to secure our Southern Border? Why does it always take a death to bring to light what should have been done before the death of someone? The family did the right thing in reporting the drugs the day before, was it due to this that this man had to die? It really doesn’t matter the issue is this man was killed by someone coming across our southern border ILLEGALLY!!! Would we be so kind to many coming across the border if it was IRAN? I don’t think so and truthfully I don’t see any difference, illegal is illegal!! Kindness isn’t a requirement of citizenship the easy way it helps not to be a terrorist but how do we know what crosses the border since we have no idea who they are or what they are when they cross, being kind, well I have seen kind criminals. All who are here illegally need to go through the same channels that anyone else coming into this country wanting to be a citizen does the legal way, there should be no exceptions. Then they wouldn’t have to hide or cross the border illegally at ranches, border towns, etc. and security for the borders for illegal activity to protect innocent citizens like this rancher. Also they would be paying taxes, not just a few with work visa’s but all of them!!!
Thanks to Fox News that this story has come out….hopefully this man did not die in vein. His kindness for mankind wasn’t his demise, illegal crossing of our borders for illegal activity did.
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justiceforall,
You are right that the US is far from a land of plenty right now. However the cause is not immigrants moving to the US. Government spending for welfare, business subsidies and government spending on foreign occupation is robbing America of its prosperity.
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Linda7965,
Your complaint seems to be that if legalization is permitted that poor people will move to the US. So long as those poor people pay their own way I say let them. If your complaint is the US welfare system let’s scrap it and not make poor immigrants the scape goat.
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wanumba,
As a advocate of legalization of all drugs I do not advocate that pilots and automobile drivers ingest them prior to starting their trip. If airlines wish to screen their employees for intoxicants (such as alcohol) that is up to them. I don’t think people should eat angel-food cake for breakfast but I don’t think it is a smart idea to pass a law to punish people who do so.
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Annette,
A good case for the abolition of prohibition can be justified by simple self-interest and not any modern day liberal concept of kindness. Every call for securing the border is a call for government spending for Border Patrol agents and equipment. I have yet to read a comment that explains where the money to pay for this spending is supposed to come from. It can only come from government borrowing and spending unless there is some other government program that is eliminated.
I think it is an admirable idea to encourage Mexicans to reform their own government but I would point out that we don’t require residents of Washington, DC to do the same. At some point if a district resident decides that DC is unfixable Arizona allows them to move here without applying for an immigration permit and waiting 5 or more years while the system decides if it is a good idea.
Immigration prohibition causes crime and legalizing immigration will eliminate crime.
We have legal immigration and laws that outline the process. We also have people committing crimes because they don’t want to follow those immigration laws. It is an issue of border security and enforcement and not one of changing the system to accommodate criminal aliens.
Thane,
Where would the money come from for more border patrols, etc.. What’s another Trillion in Obamaland?
He’ll just print more Obamabucks or go borrow another handful from the Chinese and Japanese. Can anyone say Weimar Republic? And what was the promise tht helped sweep the National Socialist Party into power? National Healthcare. Oh my. How history repeats itself.
Thane,
Are you unaware that we already HAVE a pathway to legal immigration??? It’s not easy, and it should NOT be easy.
What you propose is legalizing cheats and encouraging the culture of corruption that those south of us bring.
The “Gi’me, Gi’me, Gi’me” attitude of those who have already cheated is not to be admired.
The culture of corruption is not just my opinion, it is shared by many of the citizens of countries south of us. They decry in their own newspapers. I have sat down and conversed with foreign nationals (from Mexico) who have flat out said about their own: “We’re a society that accepts corruption as normal” and “It’s unfortunate, but most of us are unwilling to change.”
Your comparison of citizens of one part of our nation moving to another jurisdiction to that of NON-citizens sneeking in is bogus. I certainly hope you realize that.
Did anyone else think the murderer of this man could be someone other than an illegal alien? The “facts” seem suspicious to me. The reports of the decedent referring to his assailant as an “illegal alien” to his brother does not ring true. I’d widen the search for suspects!
Mr. Holmes I presume?
I am assuming that you have read all of the facts as the rest of us have. I believe by now if his Brother where considered a suspect that the sheriff’s department would have stated so. The sheriff’s department followed tracks 20 miles south to the border. I agree, it could be other than an illegal alien, they could be legal and can cross back and forth over the border and the suspect/s has contacts in Mexico. So saying that it is an illegal alien is presumption on our part…but…I don’t know of too many legal US citizens that are running to Mexico after shooting them on their own property when the brother says that Mr. Robert Krentz last word’s where “illegal alien.” You are correct, we have to take the brother’s word for it…but isn’t that the case in most murders,unless something comes up stating otherwise, we take the word or words of witnesses and in this case his brother was the last to speak to him.
If you or anyone else reading this know/s of a reason of why we shouldn’t believe Mr. Krentz’s brother you should be going to the Arizona Sheriff’s office and letting them know that you have evidence of foul play. If you don’t have then I think we can presume that Mr. Robert Krentz was of sound mind and body in telling his brother that it was an illegal alien. You can only presume this since the brother and family turned in drugs the day before found on the property. I believe if it had been the brother out there rather than Mr. Robert Krentz then we might have another murder, his brother…
Watson
Isn’t it odd that a person could walk 20 miles through the desert and not be intercepted by the Sheriff’s Dept, or Border Patrol with all the high tech gear plus air surveillance at their disposal? A twenty mile walk would take the better part of a day over that terrain. How do we know whose tracks they were? I am for strict enforcement of the law but something does not sound right about this case. Also, is that how a Texas rancher would refer to a Mexican immigrant, drug mule or dealer as an “illegal alien” after just having been shot? Come on Watson ,it just doesn’t make sense!
Whoops! I stand corrected, Arizona Rancher…
@92
C Wren,
If you applied your logic to gun ownership you would see why government should be restricted in what it is permitted to forbid. Government rules that make it hard to move to the US are as damaging as rules that make it hard to own a firearm. In Arizona any citizen can keep and bear arms without any government permission. Freedom for all is a benefit for everybody. The imposition of unnecessary prohibitions whether that be of gun ownership, alcohol ownership, drugs ownership or immigration rights is a waste of productivity (e.g. money).
I don’t doubt that you have met some foreigners who think the problem is that non-Americans are tolerant of corruption. Sadly that is also the case for plenty of Americans. The problem isn’t Americans or non-Americans, the problem you point out is that in any place on earth there are three types of people: sheep dogs, wolves and sheep.
http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm
I would just as well put limits on wolves and not the rest of us.
All government prohibitions that are not based on the golden rule will create perverse incentives that reward cheating.
I understand that you think that people born in the US should have some special rights. You and I disagree on that point.
Thane Eichenauer
http://VoteForGrover.mp/
2010 Libertarian Party candidate for Arizona State Treasurer
I have been unemployed for over a year here in AZ and since 1987 have been in the workforce the last 13 yrs here in AZ.The gimmee,gimmee attitude was not my attitude until being replaced by cut-throat mexican workers that have thier own little racist clic in the workplace.I have seen it in more than 1 place I have worked in and it sucks.What sickens me more is when my own white race cops out to this kind of crap.I have heard people say if a person is white to move out of this state which I think is wrong.What fuels the fire is even on craigslist bilingual is wanted at a job that I would know,and also typed in thier primate language in the same add which I also think is wrong.This state is turning into trash because english is not a number 1 language.Road signs would be a challenge right?,as well as accidents to run from so they can run back to mexico.
LOL, Thane.. I was a registered Libertarian for many, MANY years, and still agree with some of the libertarian agenda.
I don’t “think” we US citizens have some special rights – I KNOW it. An actual Libertarian would know that, too. Perhaps you’re faking your Libertarianism? For sure, perhaps unrealized and unintended by you, you are working to undermine these rights.
A broader and more perceptive view of the real world would be helpful to you.
Those in countries without our rights need to work to reform THEIR countries – and their societies. When there’s a level playing field on rights, get back to me and we can have a discussion on open borders.
Until then, my friend, you have things that need to be accomplished… south of our border.
As our neighbors like to say: ¡Vaya con Dios!
Sherlock Holmes,
You have failed Detective 101.
C Wren:
My theory makes a heck of a lot more sense than some lone Mexican with a gun walking twenty miles into US territory, shooting this guy, and then walking back twenty miles, leaving tracks all the way. The whole story stinks!
Guys like yo like this scenario because it feeds your agenda.