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		<title>By: Lavonne Yamin</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/12/17/a-response-to-high-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-266503</link>
		<dc:creator>Lavonne Yamin</dc:creator>
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		<description>let them build a mosque, or islamic &quot;community center&quot;, when they allow a catholic church to be built in mecca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let them build a mosque, or islamic &#8220;community center&#8221;, when they allow a catholic church to be built in mecca</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wanumba - in post 23 you link to the article on the conservative site Hot Air and then go into why you think the supposed law is wrong because of an erroneous view of attributed to the law. You were holding this out as some example of our current society not caring for children. It is very clear what you meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wanumba &#8211; in post 23 you link to the article on the conservative site Hot Air and then go into why you think the supposed law is wrong because of an erroneous view of attributed to the law. You were holding this out as some example of our current society not caring for children. It is very clear what you meant.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>todd Says: 
December 18th, 2009 at 11:13 pm 
wanumba – i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn’t post it, you did. 
.................
You may review in less haste to rush to judgment, and discover I made no comment about the LAW, my comment was actually about the woeful lack of critical reasoning offered by the report.  It was unbelieveably pathetic, either ignorantly sloppy or deliberately trying to confuse a very simple issue, which would be a partisan approach to reporting, a totally inappropriate and unprofessional abuse of &quot;news.&quot;

You have an interesting habit of making up a statement out of your own brain, then attributing it to others, then spending the rest of your time arguing against and criticizing your own words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>todd Says:<br />
December 18th, 2009 at 11:13 pm<br />
wanumba – i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn’t post it, you did.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
You may review in less haste to rush to judgment, and discover I made no comment about the LAW, my comment was actually about the woeful lack of critical reasoning offered by the report.  It was unbelieveably pathetic, either ignorantly sloppy or deliberately trying to confuse a very simple issue, which would be a partisan approach to reporting, a totally inappropriate and unprofessional abuse of &#8220;news.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have an interesting habit of making up a statement out of your own brain, then attributing it to others, then spending the rest of your time arguing against and criticizing your own words.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oberserve,
So basically you really don&#039;t care whether something is the truth or not. 

Oh, and the letter to the editor you post contains several errors. Sanger in fact did not admire Nazi eugenics and was not concerned with eliminating &#039;non-Aryans.&#039; I deplore the eugenics view she and many had at the time (and btw, would be quite at home in some conservatives writers like say, Charles Murray), but hers was not aligned with the Nazi racial ideas.

The letter also uses the quote &quot;We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population&quot; but fails to provide the context that she was saying this because she did not believe it to be true. 

Oberserve - now here is a question for you.

Henry Ford was a vile anti-semite who published all types of racists tracts in the US, including publishing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Ford spoke favorably of Hitler and the Nazis. In 1938 the Nazi government gave him the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest honor Germany had for a foreigner. Hitler kept a picture of Ford next to his desk. Ford helped Germany tremendously prior to the US entering the War and it appears from recent historians even after.

Are you concerned with Ford motors history of supporting Nazis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oberserve,<br />
So basically you really don&#8217;t care whether something is the truth or not. </p>
<p>Oh, and the letter to the editor you post contains several errors. Sanger in fact did not admire Nazi eugenics and was not concerned with eliminating &#8216;non-Aryans.&#8217; I deplore the eugenics view she and many had at the time (and btw, would be quite at home in some conservatives writers like say, Charles Murray), but hers was not aligned with the Nazi racial ideas.</p>
<p>The letter also uses the quote &#8220;We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population&#8221; but fails to provide the context that she was saying this because she did not believe it to be true. </p>
<p>Oberserve &#8211; now here is a question for you.</p>
<p>Henry Ford was a vile anti-semite who published all types of racists tracts in the US, including publishing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Ford spoke favorably of Hitler and the Nazis. In 1938 the Nazi government gave him the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest honor Germany had for a foreigner. Hitler kept a picture of Ford next to his desk. Ford helped Germany tremendously prior to the US entering the War and it appears from recent historians even after.</p>
<p>Are you concerned with Ford motors history of supporting Nazis?</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wanumba - i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn&#039;t post it, you did. 

Now, it is not the state of journalism that is the problem, as far as I can tell no legitimate media outlet actually has suggested that this is the law in Virginia. The problem is you and your unquestionable acceptance of anything that fits your worldview without even bothering to do some independent thought. 

I was going to write about what Virginia law actually says, but here is a nice summary from lgf:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35388_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Morrissey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wanumba &#8211; i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn&#8217;t post it, you did. </p>
<p>Now, it is not the state of journalism that is the problem, as far as I can tell no legitimate media outlet actually has suggested that this is the law in Virginia. The problem is you and your unquestionable acceptance of anything that fits your worldview without even bothering to do some independent thought. </p>
<p>I was going to write about what Virginia law actually says, but here is a nice summary from lgf:<br />
<a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35388_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Morrissey" rel="nofollow">http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35388_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Morrissey</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oberserve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oberserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Fine.  So, she was a &quot;great admirer of the NAZI eugenics movement.&quot;
spectator-dot-org/archives/2004/06/23/maggie-sanger-and-the-human-we
but did not study there. Is that better?

That said, Brewers connection to Planned Parenthood is dispicable and the connection between Planned Parenthood and the dispicable NAZI-esque eugenics movement is undeniable.

Now, if pro-lifers would care about children being killed in other parts of the world as much as they do here, that would be a little more consistent.   Children as ignored or generally-accepted &quot;collateral damage&quot; is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Fine.  So, she was a &#8220;great admirer of the NAZI eugenics movement.&#8221;<br />
spectator-dot-org/archives/2004/06/23/maggie-sanger-and-the-human-we<br />
but did not study there. Is that better?</p>
<p>That said, Brewers connection to Planned Parenthood is dispicable and the connection between Planned Parenthood and the dispicable NAZI-esque eugenics movement is undeniable.</p>
<p>Now, if pro-lifers would care about children being killed in other parts of the world as much as they do here, that would be a little more consistent.   Children as ignored or generally-accepted &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHat&#039;s the deal?  Planned Parenthood has been the star of numerous videos now that show them engaging in illegal activities.
Why should any politician be associated with them in any way? Including any pro-abortion politicians?  Can&#039;t PP carry out their primary business without hiding statuatory rape cases?  Seems they care more for the money they&#039;d get for aborting than the law which was meant to protect girls from predatory adult males.

Have nothing to do with them.

Could a banker get away with this?  No.   They&#039;re &quot;evil&quot; - taking advantage of poor people.  Planned Parenthood doesn&#039;t make money off girls who walk out, but somehow they&#039;re for women&#039;s &quot;rights.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHat&#8217;s the deal?  Planned Parenthood has been the star of numerous videos now that show them engaging in illegal activities.<br />
Why should any politician be associated with them in any way? Including any pro-abortion politicians?  Can&#8217;t PP carry out their primary business without hiding statuatory rape cases?  Seems they care more for the money they&#8217;d get for aborting than the law which was meant to protect girls from predatory adult males.</p>
<p>Have nothing to do with them.</p>
<p>Could a banker get away with this?  No.   They&#8217;re &#8220;evil&#8221; &#8211; taking advantage of poor people.  Planned Parenthood doesn&#8217;t make money off girls who walk out, but somehow they&#8217;re for women&#8217;s &#8220;rights.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>todd Says: 
December 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm 
@wanumba

Please stay updated on the story you posted. I am sure you will find that the facts as being relayed are no in fact accurate or the whole story.
.....................
Actually, can agree with that.  The deplorably unreliable state of the media today, 4 years of J-school produces reporting that no one can count on makes it not just prudent to wait on &quot;news,&quot; but necessary.  Can&#039;t even &quot;trust but verify,&quot; but &quot;verify.&quot;
As we wait, the argument used in the article was still fair game to challenge, for it displayed a grotesteque and either simple ignorant or willfully ignorant mindset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>todd Says:<br />
December 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm<br />
@wanumba</p>
<p>Please stay updated on the story you posted. I am sure you will find that the facts as being relayed are no in fact accurate or the whole story.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Actually, can agree with that.  The deplorably unreliable state of the media today, 4 years of J-school produces reporting that no one can count on makes it not just prudent to wait on &#8220;news,&#8221; but necessary.  Can&#8217;t even &#8220;trust but verify,&#8221; but &#8220;verify.&#8221;<br />
As we wait, the argument used in the article was still fair game to challenge, for it displayed a grotesteque and either simple ignorant or willfully ignorant mindset.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DSW - Also, I am troubled by the article you point to seems to claim Sanger&#039;s writings were approved of by the Nazi&#039;s. In fact her books were among the many that were burned in 1933, as I referenced earlier. One can read it mentioned here from the Wiesenthal center: 
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&amp;b=395007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DSW &#8211; Also, I am troubled by the article you point to seems to claim Sanger&#8217;s writings were approved of by the Nazi&#8217;s. In fact her books were among the many that were burned in 1933, as I referenced earlier. One can read it mentioned here from the Wiesenthal center:<br />
<a href="http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&#038;b=395007" rel="nofollow">http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&#038;b=395007</a></p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DSW - Rudin&#039;s article was published 4 years after Sanger had left the publication and no longer had anything to do with it, (1933 and 1929, respectively). I don&#039;t see any evidence in the article you link to that shows she corresponded with him so I do not agree it is appropriate to claim she even had any contact with him.

I would suggest that it is likely that the Nazi&#039;s did look to the US for various eugenics laws, in particular the precedent of the SCOTUS case Buck v. Bell (1927), which is one of the most shameful rulings ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DSW &#8211; Rudin&#8217;s article was published 4 years after Sanger had left the publication and no longer had anything to do with it, (1933 and 1929, respectively). I don&#8217;t see any evidence in the article you link to that shows she corresponded with him so I do not agree it is appropriate to claim she even had any contact with him.</p>
<p>I would suggest that it is likely that the Nazi&#8217;s did look to the US for various eugenics laws, in particular the precedent of the SCOTUS case Buck v. Bell (1927), which is one of the most shameful rulings ever. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell</a></p>
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		<title>By: VoterID</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/12/17/a-response-to-high-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-214821</link>
		<dc:creator>VoterID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Jan Brewer because she was a partisan Secretary of State.  She stood up to Goddard and Napolitano when they fought against Prop 200 (2004).  

On other aspects of the job, she was lacking, but at least illegal aliens are not able to vote out Republicans.

Long live Brewer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Jan Brewer because she was a partisan Secretary of State.  She stood up to Goddard and Napolitano when they fought against Prop 200 (2004).  </p>
<p>On other aspects of the job, she was lacking, but at least illegal aliens are not able to vote out Republicans.</p>
<p>Long live Brewer!</p>
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		<title>By: DSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifeadvocate.org/1_98/feature.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This site&lt;/a&gt; contains information regarding Sanger&#039;s ties to Ernst Rudin who headed up the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%BCdin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; has this entry regarding Rudin: &quot;Recognized as one of the fathers of National Socialist ideology, his work was endorsed officially by the Nazi Party. He wrote the official commentary for the racial policy of Nazi Germany: &quot;Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring&quot;; and was awarded medals from the Nazis and Adolf Hitler personally.&quot;

I think it&#039;s fair and accurate to assert that Sanger corresponded with a prominent leader in the Nazi party who wrote the official policy regarding race and eugenics. 

&quot;Three months before the German &#039;sterilization law&#039; was passed, Rudin&#039;s &quot;Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need&quot; article was published in the &lt;i&gt;Birth Control Review&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.lifeadvocate.org/1_98/feature.htm" rel="nofollow">This site</a> contains information regarding Sanger&#8217;s ties to Ernst Rudin who headed up the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%BCdin" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> has this entry regarding Rudin: &#8220;Recognized as one of the fathers of National Socialist ideology, his work was endorsed officially by the Nazi Party. He wrote the official commentary for the racial policy of Nazi Germany: &#8220;Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring&#8221;; and was awarded medals from the Nazis and Adolf Hitler personally.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair and accurate to assert that Sanger corresponded with a prominent leader in the Nazi party who wrote the official policy regarding race and eugenics. </p>
<p>&#8220;Three months before the German &#8216;sterilization law&#8217; was passed, Rudin&#8217;s &#8220;Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need&#8221; article was published in the <i>Birth Control Review</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: DSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of you will have to prove the affirmative or the negative. I will check my sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of you will have to prove the affirmative or the negative. I will check my sources.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DSW
Oberserve claimed she studied eugenics with the Nazi&#039;s in Germany. This is not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DSW<br />
Oberserve claimed she studied eugenics with the Nazi&#8217;s in Germany. This is not true.</p>
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		<title>By: DSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>todd,

The photo has been removed. I certainly want my posts to be accurate  

The website you refer to in your comment is not the same site where Sonoran Alliance obtained the photo. As you mentioned, it appears that that site conducts an annual artists rendition of Margaret Sanger in a variety of settings in order to present a visual account of what in reality did happen. 

Knowing about the photo, we will no longer use it here on Sonoran Alliance even as an illustration of what actually occurred. Thank you for your clarity.

I&#039;m not sure I understand your comment in #35: &quot;Having said that what I find interesting in your statement is she did not in any way study eugenics with the Nazis in Germany.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>todd,</p>
<p>The photo has been removed. I certainly want my posts to be accurate  </p>
<p>The website you refer to in your comment is not the same site where Sonoran Alliance obtained the photo. As you mentioned, it appears that that site conducts an annual artists rendition of Margaret Sanger in a variety of settings in order to present a visual account of what in reality did happen. </p>
<p>Knowing about the photo, we will no longer use it here on Sonoran Alliance even as an illustration of what actually occurred. Thank you for your clarity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand your comment in #35: &#8220;Having said that what I find interesting in your statement is she did not in any way study eugenics with the Nazis in Germany.&#8221;</p>
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