Thu 17 Dec 2009
A Response to “High Ground”
Posted by DSW under Campaigns & Elections , Sanctity of Life[50] Comments
Unlike some conservatives who get all worked up over the issue of immigration, I still get fired up over the issue of taking innocent human life through the act of abortion.
So I was quite irritated this evening when I read a post written by High Ground defending Governor Brewer over her appearance at a fundraising event at the home of two individuals who have given their time, talent and treasure to helping elect candidates who support the killing of precious innocent life. Both Paulina Vazquez Morris and her husband Jason are members of Planned Parenthood which everyone knows is the largest provider of abortions in Arizona.
The post also took a swipe at Vernon Parker, one of several Republican gubernatorial challengers who issued a press release prior to the event demanding that Governor Brewer pull out of the event.
High Ground’s post also took a swipe at another consultant/PR guy, Jason Rose of Rose & Allyn, who is helping Parker with his bid for Governor so this may also be somewhat of a spat between Jason Rose and High Ground’s Chuck Coughlin who remains one of Governor Brewer’s closest advisors. (For the sake of full disclosure, my firm, Red Mountain Consulting, does not have a candidate in any of the gubernatorial races.)
So allow me to set the record straight as someone who has been involved in the pro-life movement in Arizona since 1990; operated the largest pro-life organization in Arizona; and even lent my name as the Executive Director of Arizona Right to Life on a mass fundraising letter to our members on behalf of then candidate for Secretary of State, Jan Brewer. (Many of her $5 donations came from the true and faithful pro-life community.)
Before I issue my criticism, I do have to applaud Governor Brewer for signing multiple pro-life bills this year – legislation that Cathi Herrod with the Center for Arizona Policy and Ron Johnson with the Arizona Catholic Conference have been working on for many years and which would never have been signed if Napolitano had remained Governor.
The correction comes in High Ground’s statement claiming that Barry Goldwater’s wife was the founder of Planned Parenthood.
Not true.
In reality, the founder of Planned Parenthood was Margaret Sanger who was also deeply entrenched in the American eugenics movement and who had ties to Germany’s elite. Sanger was an ardent racist and obviously wanted to limit the propagation of African Americans and Hispanics as revealed in her writings and speeches. The underlying theme of her agenda was to stop the breeding of African Americans and Hispanics across the country.
Shockingly, you can still hear these whisperings amongst upper class Democratic and Republican’s who tend to reside in zip codes defined by incomes greater than $150,000/year. (Hmmm… This should make anyone wonder whether or not the issues of illegal immigration and abortion are related – I really want to discuss this in another post.)
Why then should we not be surprised when there is an adverse reaction when a Pro-Life Governor raises her glass and toasts a couple who have been so actively involved with an organization who’s primary agenda is to exploit women, kill their unborn babies, take their money and send them out broken and robbed of their innocence?
Frankly, I’m disgusted by it all. Would High Ground have reacted the same way Parker’s campaign did if Vernon Parker had held a fundraising event with Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan or Jeremiah Wright and said the event was about “bringing people of different backgrounds and outlooks together?”
Excuse me if I’m missing High Ground’s consistency or attempt to reconcile two opposing worldviews. Maybe that’s why many conservatives are scratching our heads wondering who the Governor really is and what has High Ground done with Jan Brewer?
Or, maybe that’s what makes consultants like myself “true believers.”
December 17th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Shane,
I have friends with whom I disagree on a host of policy matters, but they’re still my friends.
Maybe these folks who hosted this shindig for the guv are simply her friends and want to see her do well.
I realize that if you didn’t assume people’s motives that you wouldn’t have much of a blog, but it’s still possible to disagree on an issue – no matter how contentious – and still be friends.
BZ
December 18th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Emotions aside. The multitude of signed pro-life bills trump a fundraising appearance. Substance over symbolism. Those bills protect life. The fundraiser was not for planned parenthood, it was for Brewer. Given the way she has been treated by her old friends who can blame her for casting a wider net ?
December 18th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Many of us are still her friends. We just want her to come home.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:20 am
The Morisson’s sound like nice people. If you want to kick them out of the Republican party we will gladly take them in the Democratic Party. They may disagree with us on Labor, and economic issues but we have a big tent and are willing to have differing opinions.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Oh and Shane, you need to do better research. Mrs. Goldwater did create planned parenthood in Arizona. Sorry to burst your little imaginary bubble but Barry Goldwater would have told you to take a hike on this issue.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:55 am
For an ostensibly pro-life governor to accept funds raised by pro-choice folks is, in my estimation, a strong indicator that her fundraising efforts are falling miserably short of the mark and she’s desperate to get help anywhere she can. What’s next for Brewer – a fundraiser with La Raza? SEIU?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Part of what “The Evil One” wrote on his blog is that he continues to steer Brewer and her polices to the left. Her turned her left on spending, now she is walking over there to pick up the donations.
Someone needs to find the secret of “The Evil One’s” Power and knock both Brewer and Burns loose from his cluches.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:19 am
You better start getting worked up over “the issue” of illegal immigration. Legitimize 20 million more Democrat voters and watch how fast the defense of innocent life effort lands in the scrap heap. Get set for nothing but Gov. Napolitanos for the rest of our lifetimes.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:46 am
(I’m want to start another discussion on the illegal immigration – abortion – race connection on another post so follow me over there on that topic once I get it posted.)
Back to the Goldwater – Planned Parenthood tie. SoccerLisaWoods (#5)noted that “Mrs. Goldwater did create planned parenthood in Arizona.”
According to the Arizona Historical Foundation,
“Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona began as the Mother’s Health Clinic of Phoenix, October 1, 1937. Influenced by Margaret Sanger, many prominent Arizona women were instrumental in founding and running the operation. Among them was Lucy Cuthbert, Thelma Phillips, Peggy Goldwater, Nancy Bimson, and Maie Heard. Volunteers and limited medical staff offered varied, often controversial, health services to women and families regardless of their ability to pay. In 1942, the Phoenix clinic affiliated with the national organization, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA). With constant growth, the clinic moved to the Phoenix Memorial Hospital campus in 1953, and in 1958, hired Gladys MacLean as the first executive director.” (source)
And from the most recent issue of Phoenix Mag,
“Addressing a group of the city’s most prominent women, with names like Goldwater, Heard and Bimson, Sanger told of alarmingly high death rates for women and babies in Arizona.
“The elite group was collectively shocked – and inspired. Less than a year later, using their status and sweat equity, they opened the Phoenix Mother’s Health Clinic. In the coming decades, one of the clinic’s original founders, Peggy Goldwater, wife of conservative political icon Barry Goldwater, would bring her passion and clout to help grow the fledgling clinic into a large Planned Parenthood affiliate.”
“The family planning fight in Arizona dates to the 1930s, when Sanger, the country’s leading advocate for birth control, first visited Tucson. She rallied a group of women to open a clinic there in 1934; three years later, she did it again in Phoenix.” (source)
So if you’re saying that Peggy Goldwater was part of a group of women who were inspired to start a clinic in Arizona that later became affiliated with the national organization known as Planned Parenthood Federation of America (founded by Sanger), that would be a true statement. To say that Peggy Goldwater founded Planned Parenthood is false.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:52 am
To the Brewer apologizers,
Yes, she may be a republican, but she cannot be simultaneously a liberal and a conservative.
She’s a liberal as are you.
She uses the term “conservative” to describe herself as do you yourselves.
You and she are RINOs and there’s just no way around it, despite your protestations to the contrary.
Face it, either the Dems or the TeaPartiers are going to oust the lukewarm RINO McCainiac republicans in this state.
Your political days are numbered. Your lukewarm speech will cause you to be spewed out of the mouths of the public.
So, keep it up. It doesn’t matter anymore. You’re already irrelevant, you just don’t realize it yet.
December 18th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Observe,
You got it backwards. The Tea Partiers and the Progressives are two standard deviations on opposite sides of a burgeoning centrist bell curve. The push to the fringe is on.
December 18th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Observe and DSW,
So is it impossible to agree with someone on basically every isse except oh let’s say abortion and hold a fundraiser for them?
Also this doesn’t make you a true believer DSW this just makes you a single issue voter. If that’s what you want this blog to be about that’s fine but attacking someone for one fundraiser doesn’t make you a true believer.
I do not like the governor at all I think she has overall been a joke, but this attack is petty. A lot of people on this site likes to say look at how they vote.. Well look at her votes on this issue. She is as good as it gets in the prolife community with her votes.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Nightcrawler,
That’s what the British statisticians advised King George III of.
Tick-tock-tick-tock.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am
just a side note – the image of Sanger at the KKK rally is a fake.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Margaret Sanger addressed a rally of a women’s auxiliary of the KKK in Silver Lake, New Jersey, in 1926. She mentions this in her autobiography, Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography (pages 366-367):
“All the world over, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Helsingfors, I have found women’s psychology in the matter of childbearing essentially the same, no matter what the class, religion, or economic status. Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing.
My letter of instruction told me what train to take, to walk from the station two blocks straight ahead, then two to the left. I would see a sedan parked in front of a restaurant. If I wished I could have ten minutes for a cup of coffee or bite to eat, because no supper would be served later.
I obeyed orders implicitly, walked the blocks, saw the car, found the restaurant, went in and ordered some cocoa, stayed my allotted ten minutes, then approached the car hesitatingly and spoke to the driver. I received no reply. She might have been totally deaf as far as I was 1 concerned. Mustering up my courage, I climbed in and settled back. Without a turn of the head, a smile, or a word to let me know I was right, she stepped on the self-starter. For fifteen minutes we wound around the streets. It must have been towards six in the afternoon. We took this lonely lane and that through the woods, and an hour later pulled up in a vacant space near a body of water beside a large, unpainted, barnish building.
My driver got out, talked with several other women, then said to me severely, “Wait here. We will come for you.” She disappeared. More cars buzzed up the dusty road into the parking place. Occasionally men dropped wives who walked hurriedly and silently within. This went on mystically until night closed down and I was alone in the dark. A few gleams came through chinks in the window curtains. Even though it was May, I grew chillier and chillier.
After three hours I was summoned at last and entered a bright corridor filled with wraps. As someone came out of the hall I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses. I waited another twenty minutes. It was warmer and I did not mind so much. Eventually the lights were switched on, the audience seated itself, and I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak.
Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabulary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand.
In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were finally through it was too late to return to New York. Under a curfew law everything in Silver Lake shut at nine o’clock. I could not even send a telegram to let my family know whether I had been thrown in the river or was being held incommunicado. It was nearly one before I reached Trenton, and I spent the night in a hotel.
Apparently, what got their attention were other comments by Sanger:
“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives.” (from Woman and the New Race. 1923, page 229.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emRic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfFVKqHWJU0
December 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Shane,
If you’re going to get all worked up in a lather over disagreements between Brewer and her friends, why don’t you bring the hammer down on her for saying Mormons are Christians?
Doesn’t that present a more fundamental problem for you?
From the Cap Times blog:
After touring an LDS employment and food canning center in Mesa, the governor, a Lutheran, was asked by Yellow Sheet if she considers members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be Christians.
“Yes,” she responded, unequivocally.
[source: http://azcapitoltimes.com/blog/2009/11/13/oh-christmas-tree/
Friends with pro-choicers? Believes Mormons are Christians? Shane, should I get Lyle on the phone so we can revoke her PC privileges?
BZ
December 18th, 2009 at 10:29 am
@ Johnny,
That’s right. You can’t expect pro-Lifers to view you as pro-Life when you’re palling around with pro-deathers. This is not just a petty political issue. This is a moral issue. Murder is wrong. Janice is frolicking with murderers plain and simple. This is an absolute. She can’t be pro-life one day and expect the pro-Lifers to overlook her dalliances with pro-deathers the next.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Antifederalist,
So you aren’t friends with anyone who is proabortion? You wouldn’t take help from them if they offered it??
Also, there is nothing to indicate her stance has changed… Isn’t it possible brewer is laughing all the way to the bank right now??
You are right murder is wrong but I am failing to see how brewer going to a house and taking $5 contributions is murder… If anything she may have taken money from them that they now can’t give to planned parenthood…
December 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Bill,
I will get “worked up in a lather” over this because it is the most important right that has been under attack for almost 37 years. It is at the core of the values espoused by the Obama Administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress and the issue has ever resurfaced in the health care debate over the issue of rationing care and a bureaucracy which will determine who will get care and who won’t based on a utilitarian assessment of their value to society.
We have an entire generation of baby boomers who are heading into retirement who will overwhelm and bankrupt the Social Security and Medicare system. At the same time, we raised two generations of children who grew up under a “quality of life” ethic rather than a “sanctity of life” ethic. When our welfare system is about to implode, tell me there won’t be a push to medically “retire” grandpa or grandma.
The only hope I have is that conservatives tend to have more children than liberals and their values tend to be transferred to their children. Hopefully the trend toward a “culture of death” will turn.
As I mentioned in the post, I applaud Governor Brewer for signing several excellent pro-life bills into law. She deserves full credit for doing so.
But it sure doesn’t look good when she’s hob nobbing with people who are actively working to undermine a pro-life majority in the legislature.
In the words of Reagan speechwriter and WSJ columnist, Peggy Noonan: “Message to society: What you applaud, you encourage. And: Watch out what you celebrate.”
My answer to your second question is “Yes.” I do have friends who are “pro-choice” and I do believe Mormons are Christians. We just happen to disagree on theology.
No need to get Lyle on the phone. He knows how to get a hold of me.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
It seems that only pro-abortion people are allowed to have “passion” and “stick to their principles” as VIRTUES but “passion” and “stick to their principles” curiously become negatives when the people are Pro-Life. Babies in the womb are the world’s most defenseless people, totally dependent on other people to advocate for their rights as human beings. Slaves are also defenseless, and require other people to plead their case on their behalf because of their helpless condition, imposed on them by force. So, opposing slavery is taught approvingly as a noble task. With slavery eradicated, by the same criteria of helping the weakest and politically disinfranchised, the noble task of advocacy shifts to the unborn child.
There’s two teams with a bunch of undecided spectators. It’s never considered good sportsmanship to let your team down by being soft on plays and handing the ball to the other team. And no team puts up confusing signs that make fans think they aren’t committed to winning.
Brewer accepting an invite from a Planned Parenthood active supporter sends very politically conflicting messages to voters.
December 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Here’s a good question to pose:
If Governor Brewer was invited to a fundraiser sponsored by a somewhat prominent Pro-Life Democrat, would it be a good idea for her to attend?
December 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Kind of like Republicans who got money from Jim Pedersen?
December 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
A toxic mix of willful biology ignorance, political wimp-out and appalling absence of maternal instinct:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/18/video-mother-kills-newborn-cant-be-charged-with-crime/
The argument that the mother is life-supporting thru the placenta and umbilical cord after the birth … and especially HOURS after is despicable nonsense. The placenta shuts down and detaches – known as the “afterbirth” of course. Even if the “detachment” didn’t occur, the shut down did. No life-supporting.
There’s no scientific cover in this modern day of super technology to pretend in court that we don’t know what’s going on medically/biologically from conception to afterbirth. Cavemen have more excuse for not knowing than we do, but more devestatingly a comment on our modern cultural selfishness, they valued their children.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Shane,
You’ve come unhinged.
Let me know what phone booth we’re meeting in for the next LD meeting.
BZ
December 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Lets assume she got 50 $5 forms. Are people saying that $250 trumps signing the most far reaching abortion bills in AZ history?
That’s just rediculous.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
DSW,
I know what is in her biography that does not change that the photo you posted is a fake.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
@wanumba
Please stay updated on the story you posted. I am sure you will find that the facts as being relayed are no in fact accurate or the whole story.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
For a look at the evil eugenic roots and the film which will unmask the abortion industry get a copy of the well documented film: Maafa21. It can be previewed here: http://www.maafa21.com
December 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
tell me if this makes sense to you dsw… Joe scarborough when he was in congress tells this story about the peanut farmers were a major group in his district. They came to lobby him. He told them he was against the bill they were lobbing for. They gave him a check nonetheless. Scarborough voted against them and the peanut farmers never gave to joe again learning the hard way he was not on there side.
If the proabortion crowd is dumb enough to give to brewer let them learn their mistake the hard way…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
todd,
Please back up your assertion if you want me to retract the photo.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
johnny,
That works for me. Do you know if Scarborough attended their fundraiser? Did that upset the anti-lobbyist crowd so that he lost their vote and confidence?
December 18th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
DSW, Besides the rather obvious fakery of the image the documentation is as follows:
The website “The Truth About Margaret Sanger” holds a yearly contest to pick a winner who ‘artistically’ interprets Sanger’s speech.
http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/2006/10/contest-marks-80th-anniversary-of.html
The ‘winner’ for 2006 is the fake photo you keep posting:
http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/2008/12/look-back-at-margaret-sanger-art.html
You will note the 2005 winner is also another fake photo.
Now, maybe we should ask why a group with a valid point would be interested in spreading fake photos? I would add they are also misrepresenting her views and history, but what is the point…
December 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Todd,
Read Margaret Sanger’s OWN writing. It’s available for order in any Federal Depository Library such as ASU and all over the net.
She studied eugenics under the NAZIs in the 30s in Germany and IN HER OWN WORDS opened the first Planned Parenthoods in Brooklyn and Harlem to reduce “dysgenic stocks of negros and jews”.
Them’s the facts, Todd, no matter how you try to get around them!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
It should be added, however, that Prescott Bush supported Margaret Sanger and that Geo Bush, Sr. was a “Zero Population Growth” proponent – in other words pro-eugenics – and was particularly open about it in the late 60s and early 70s.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Oberserve,
I am well aware of Sanger’s history and I have no intention of justifying eugenic thinking of that time which I am well aware of and find disgusting just as I find the modern outgrowth of similar ideas disgusting.
Having said that what I find interesting in your statement is she did not in any way study eugenics with the Nazis in Germany. That is simply a complete fabrication. In fact, Hitler banned and destroyed her books in 1933. One wonders what other total foolishness you also believe is truth.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Oberserve,
And of course none of what you have to say has anything to do with my original point that the image is a big phony.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
todd,
The photo has been removed. I certainly want my posts to be accurate
The website you refer to in your comment is not the same site where Sonoran Alliance obtained the photo. As you mentioned, it appears that that site conducts an annual artists rendition of Margaret Sanger in a variety of settings in order to present a visual account of what in reality did happen.
Knowing about the photo, we will no longer use it here on Sonoran Alliance even as an illustration of what actually occurred. Thank you for your clarity.
I’m not sure I understand your comment in #35: “Having said that what I find interesting in your statement is she did not in any way study eugenics with the Nazis in Germany.”
December 18th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
DSW
Oberserve claimed she studied eugenics with the Nazi’s in Germany. This is not true.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
One of you will have to prove the affirmative or the negative. I will check my sources.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
This site contains information regarding Sanger’s ties to Ernst Rudin who headed up the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations. Wikipedia has this entry regarding Rudin: “Recognized as one of the fathers of National Socialist ideology, his work was endorsed officially by the Nazi Party. He wrote the official commentary for the racial policy of Nazi Germany: “Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring”; and was awarded medals from the Nazis and Adolf Hitler personally.”
I think it’s fair and accurate to assert that Sanger corresponded with a prominent leader in the Nazi party who wrote the official policy regarding race and eugenics.
“Three months before the German ’sterilization law’ was passed, Rudin’s “Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need” article was published in the Birth Control Review“
December 18th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
I love Jan Brewer because she was a partisan Secretary of State. She stood up to Goddard and Napolitano when they fought against Prop 200 (2004).
On other aspects of the job, she was lacking, but at least illegal aliens are not able to vote out Republicans.
Long live Brewer!
December 18th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
DSW – Rudin’s article was published 4 years after Sanger had left the publication and no longer had anything to do with it, (1933 and 1929, respectively). I don’t see any evidence in the article you link to that shows she corresponded with him so I do not agree it is appropriate to claim she even had any contact with him.
I would suggest that it is likely that the Nazi’s did look to the US for various eugenics laws, in particular the precedent of the SCOTUS case Buck v. Bell (1927), which is one of the most shameful rulings ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
December 18th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
DSW – Also, I am troubled by the article you point to seems to claim Sanger’s writings were approved of by the Nazi’s. In fact her books were among the many that were burned in 1933, as I referenced earlier. One can read it mentioned here from the Wiesenthal center:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395007
December 18th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
todd Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
@wanumba
Please stay updated on the story you posted. I am sure you will find that the facts as being relayed are no in fact accurate or the whole story.
…………………
Actually, can agree with that. The deplorably unreliable state of the media today, 4 years of J-school produces reporting that no one can count on makes it not just prudent to wait on “news,” but necessary. Can’t even “trust but verify,” but “verify.”
As we wait, the argument used in the article was still fair game to challenge, for it displayed a grotesteque and either simple ignorant or willfully ignorant mindset.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
WHat’s the deal? Planned Parenthood has been the star of numerous videos now that show them engaging in illegal activities.
Why should any politician be associated with them in any way? Including any pro-abortion politicians? Can’t PP carry out their primary business without hiding statuatory rape cases? Seems they care more for the money they’d get for aborting than the law which was meant to protect girls from predatory adult males.
Have nothing to do with them.
Could a banker get away with this? No. They’re “evil” – taking advantage of poor people. Planned Parenthood doesn’t make money off girls who walk out, but somehow they’re for women’s “rights.”
December 18th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Todd,
Fine. So, she was a “great admirer of the NAZI eugenics movement.”
spectator-dot-org/archives/2004/06/23/maggie-sanger-and-the-human-we
but did not study there. Is that better?
That said, Brewers connection to Planned Parenthood is dispicable and the connection between Planned Parenthood and the dispicable NAZI-esque eugenics movement is undeniable.
Now, if pro-lifers would care about children being killed in other parts of the world as much as they do here, that would be a little more consistent. Children as ignored or generally-accepted “collateral damage” is unacceptable.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
wanumba – i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn’t post it, you did.
Now, it is not the state of journalism that is the problem, as far as I can tell no legitimate media outlet actually has suggested that this is the law in Virginia. The problem is you and your unquestionable acceptance of anything that fits your worldview without even bothering to do some independent thought.
I was going to write about what Virginia law actually says, but here is a nice summary from lgf:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35388_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Morrissey
December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Oberserve,
So basically you really don’t care whether something is the truth or not.
Oh, and the letter to the editor you post contains several errors. Sanger in fact did not admire Nazi eugenics and was not concerned with eliminating ‘non-Aryans.’ I deplore the eugenics view she and many had at the time (and btw, would be quite at home in some conservatives writers like say, Charles Murray), but hers was not aligned with the Nazi racial ideas.
The letter also uses the quote “We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population” but fails to provide the context that she was saying this because she did not believe it to be true.
Oberserve – now here is a question for you.
Henry Ford was a vile anti-semite who published all types of racists tracts in the US, including publishing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Ford spoke favorably of Hitler and the Nazis. In 1938 the Nazi government gave him the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest honor Germany had for a foreigner. Hitler kept a picture of Ford next to his desk. Ford helped Germany tremendously prior to the US entering the War and it appears from recent historians even after.
Are you concerned with Ford motors history of supporting Nazis?
December 20th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
todd Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
wanumba – i do not believe what is claimed in the article is the actual law in Virginia. But of course I didn’t post it, you did.
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You may review in less haste to rush to judgment, and discover I made no comment about the LAW, my comment was actually about the woeful lack of critical reasoning offered by the report. It was unbelieveably pathetic, either ignorantly sloppy or deliberately trying to confuse a very simple issue, which would be a partisan approach to reporting, a totally inappropriate and unprofessional abuse of “news.”
You have an interesting habit of making up a statement out of your own brain, then attributing it to others, then spending the rest of your time arguing against and criticizing your own words.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:52 pm
wanumba – in post 23 you link to the article on the conservative site Hot Air and then go into why you think the supposed law is wrong because of an erroneous view of attributed to the law. You were holding this out as some example of our current society not caring for children. It is very clear what you meant.