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		<title>By: James Davidson</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211189</link>
		<dc:creator>James Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PapaTodd,

Victory.</description>
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<p>Victory.</p>
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		<title>By: papatodd</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211184</link>
		<dc:creator>papatodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, Well thought out.  My one concern, exactly how would we bring RINO&#039;s back intothe fold?  Let us use John McCain as an example. After his loss in 2008, he is now out trying to &quot;reshape&quot; th party in his image.
See http://www.papatodd.com/?p=1696
As I pointd out in my psot, he was the LOSER. Shouldn&#039;t he now be thinking what in my campaign worked and let us build on that?  One would think so.... Instead he continues to carry on as if nothing happened, as if the pounding he took in the general election was no big deal. Judging from other articles I&#039;ve read on McCain [and the GOP] they honestlly believe thatthe voters are the problem, not their policies or moderate philosophy.  So all the Americans that showed up at multiple events throughout the summer and up just this last week are the problem. They&#039;re right, we&#039;re wrong.  How do we fix that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, Well thought out.  My one concern, exactly how would we bring RINO&#8217;s back intothe fold?  Let us use John McCain as an example. After his loss in 2008, he is now out trying to &#8220;reshape&#8221; th party in his image.<br />
See <a href="http://www.papatodd.com/?p=1696" rel="nofollow">http://www.papatodd.com/?p=1696</a><br />
As I pointd out in my psot, he was the LOSER. Shouldn&#8217;t he now be thinking what in my campaign worked and let us build on that?  One would think so&#8230;. Instead he continues to carry on as if nothing happened, as if the pounding he took in the general election was no big deal. Judging from other articles I&#8217;ve read on McCain [and the GOP] they honestlly believe thatthe voters are the problem, not their policies or moderate philosophy.  So all the Americans that showed up at multiple events throughout the summer and up just this last week are the problem. They&#8217;re right, we&#8217;re wrong.  How do we fix that?</p>
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		<title>By: James Davidson</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211171</link>
		<dc:creator>James Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing hard about any of this.  We conservatives should make our case to the voters -- boldly with no pale colors, as President Reagan said.  At the same time we should follow President Reagan&#039;s &quot;11th Commandment&quot; and not speak ill of fellow Republicans.  Argue it out on principle and policy -- but with a smile or a jest, as the great President himself did. Recall his, &quot;There you go again,&quot; to Carter, or his, &quot;I will not exploit for partisan purposes my opponent&#039;s youth and inexperience,&quot; to Mondale.  That&#039;s why Reagan won and Goldwater didn&#039;t. 

We do not need to abandon principle -- that is the sure way to lose.  Yet we do not need to kick anyone out.  There is always time to bring back prodigal RINOs into the fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing hard about any of this.  We conservatives should make our case to the voters &#8212; boldly with no pale colors, as President Reagan said.  At the same time we should follow President Reagan&#8217;s &#8220;11th Commandment&#8221; and not speak ill of fellow Republicans.  Argue it out on principle and policy &#8212; but with a smile or a jest, as the great President himself did. Recall his, &#8220;There you go again,&#8221; to Carter, or his, &#8220;I will not exploit for partisan purposes my opponent&#8217;s youth and inexperience,&#8221; to Mondale.  That&#8217;s why Reagan won and Goldwater didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>We do not need to abandon principle &#8212; that is the sure way to lose.  Yet we do not need to kick anyone out.  There is always time to bring back prodigal RINOs into the fold.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211129</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scolding conservatives,&quot; and conservatives not the least perturbed by sanctimonious scolding by self-absorbed milktoasts, AKA RHINOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scolding conservatives,&#8221; and conservatives not the least perturbed by sanctimonious scolding by self-absorbed milktoasts, AKA RHINOs.</p>
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		<title>By: papatodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>papatodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What where we talking about again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What where we talking about again?</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211120</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and also willing to accept the flipside.&quot;
.....................
Better find out what the &quot;fipside&quot; is before proclaiming that. 

uh ... &quot;quoth wanumba.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and also willing to accept the flipside.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Better find out what the &#8220;fipside&#8221; is before proclaiming that. </p>
<p>uh &#8230; &#8220;quoth wanumba.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Klute</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211112</link>
		<dc:creator>The Klute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except, of course, addressing health care, working on lessening the effects of climate change, and not letting our economic system collapse are things I approve of, and I&#039;m willing to go along with taking the rewards of foresight, and watching the GOP crumble for saying &quot;NO NO NO NO NO&quot;, and also willing to accept the flipside.

Whereas you are living in deep, deep denial about your party&#039;s responsibility for the last 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except, of course, addressing health care, working on lessening the effects of climate change, and not letting our economic system collapse are things I approve of, and I&#8217;m willing to go along with taking the rewards of foresight, and watching the GOP crumble for saying &#8220;NO NO NO NO NO&#8221;, and also willing to accept the flipside.</p>
<p>Whereas you are living in deep, deep denial about your party&#8217;s responsibility for the last 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211109</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris Lynch Says: 
November 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm 
I want HONESTY. 
...........
Always the best policy!</description>
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November 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm<br />
I want HONESTY.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Always the best policy!</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211106</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, since you are so upset by Bush&#039;s inability to veto Congressional spending during his terms of office, how come you aren&#039;t displaying the same, nay, more outrage at the astronomical spending of the team of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) and President Barack Obama (D)?  

A one-party reality, so delightful Nancy Pesoli was actually giggling about it. So,  there&#039;s just one political party to blame, and you&#039;ll need a new metaphor to replace something about &quot;deadbeat dads who lost their jobs thanks to the epic fail of the so-called stimulus, cap-and-trade eviceration of industry and Nationalized Health Care, and can&#039;t pay the child support out of their last week on unemployment benefits&quot;. Can&#039;t say &quot;Takes two to tango,&quot; it&#039;ll be &quot;like a solo breakdancer spinning out on a piece of cardboard.&quot;  Or perhaps a pithy saying, like &quot;Pride cometh before the fall.&quot; 

So &quot;quoth wanumba.&quot; 

I like that, sounds like &quot;... nevermore!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, since you are so upset by Bush&#8217;s inability to veto Congressional spending during his terms of office, how come you aren&#8217;t displaying the same, nay, more outrage at the astronomical spending of the team of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) and President Barack Obama (D)?  </p>
<p>A one-party reality, so delightful Nancy Pesoli was actually giggling about it. So,  there&#8217;s just one political party to blame, and you&#8217;ll need a new metaphor to replace something about &#8220;deadbeat dads who lost their jobs thanks to the epic fail of the so-called stimulus, cap-and-trade eviceration of industry and Nationalized Health Care, and can&#8217;t pay the child support out of their last week on unemployment benefits&#8221;. Can&#8217;t say &#8220;Takes two to tango,&#8221; it&#8217;ll be &#8220;like a solo breakdancer spinning out on a piece of cardboard.&#8221;  Or perhaps a pithy saying, like &#8220;Pride cometh before the fall.&#8221; </p>
<p>So &#8220;quoth wanumba.&#8221; </p>
<p>I like that, sounds like &#8220;&#8230; nevermore!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Iris Lynch</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211094</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank God every night for Obama.  He and his Congress are gifts to Conservatism...and it isn&#039;t over yet.  

If we had had MC LAME, he would have done a lot of the same, though slower and would have murdered the all aspects of the Republican Party.

I want HONESTY.  If a politician claims the conservative road to power, I expect him to honestly do his/her best to enact those plans.  And when I hear of a politician who has cheated on the woman he once (and may still love), how sincere can I expect him to be to me?  

It is still true that money is the root of all evil.  Sometimes in what we will do to get it and sometimes what we will do in the purchases we make. We are likely to be saved from ourselves if the economy REALLY dumps and it may still happen. Obama, hmm, hmm, hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank God every night for Obama.  He and his Congress are gifts to Conservatism&#8230;and it isn&#8217;t over yet.  </p>
<p>If we had had MC LAME, he would have done a lot of the same, though slower and would have murdered the all aspects of the Republican Party.</p>
<p>I want HONESTY.  If a politician claims the conservative road to power, I expect him to honestly do his/her best to enact those plans.  And when I hear of a politician who has cheated on the woman he once (and may still love), how sincere can I expect him to be to me?  </p>
<p>It is still true that money is the root of all evil.  Sometimes in what we will do to get it and sometimes what we will do in the purchases we make. We are likely to be saved from ourselves if the economy REALLY dumps and it may still happen. Obama, hmm, hmm, hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: The Klute</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211077</link>
		<dc:creator>The Klute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree wholeheartedly that Bush passively signed spending bills that the CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED...&quot;

You mean, the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, right? Because up until 2007, the GOP had full control of the House of Representin&#039; and more than 50% of the time had control of the Senate.   

&quot;BOTH deserve criticism, but why pick one guy when about 535 others are suddenly acting like they were on Pluto when this was all happening?&quot;

Quoth Wanumba:  The buck stops over there-ish.  

&quot;Bush should have been praised by Democrats for being a “yes” guy by that reasoning.&quot;

Except, you know, Bush pissed away $700 Billion on war that he didn&#039;t even manage properly - not exactly &quot;butter&quot; spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree wholeheartedly that Bush passively signed spending bills that the CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean, the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, right? Because up until 2007, the GOP had full control of the House of Representin&#8217; and more than 50% of the time had control of the Senate.   </p>
<p>&#8220;BOTH deserve criticism, but why pick one guy when about 535 others are suddenly acting like they were on Pluto when this was all happening?&#8221;</p>
<p>Quoth Wanumba:  The buck stops over there-ish.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Bush should have been praised by Democrats for being a “yes” guy by that reasoning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except, you know, Bush pissed away $700 Billion on war that he didn&#8217;t even manage properly &#8211; not exactly &#8220;butter&#8221; spending.</p>
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		<title>By: The Klute</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211075</link>
		<dc:creator>The Klute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What’s with the “deadbeat dad”? Are you unable to stick to the topic of the discussion without inserting inappropriate comments?&quot;

It&#039;s a literary device called &quot;metaphor&quot; (perhaps you&#039;d benefit from re-taking ENG101?).  Since you were obviously trying to exclude Republicans from taking their share of the blame by minimizing their dominant role in the problem for the last 8 eight years, I was hypthesizing what other bad behaviors you&#039;d excuse by shifting the blame to another party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s with the “deadbeat dad”? Are you unable to stick to the topic of the discussion without inserting inappropriate comments?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a literary device called &#8220;metaphor&#8221; (perhaps you&#8217;d benefit from re-taking ENG101?).  Since you were obviously trying to exclude Republicans from taking their share of the blame by minimizing their dominant role in the problem for the last 8 eight years, I was hypthesizing what other bad behaviors you&#8217;d excuse by shifting the blame to another party.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211071</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You stay in power if you govern right&quot;

Bumpersticker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You stay in power if you govern right&#8221;</p>
<p>Bumpersticker!</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnn</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211069</link>
		<dc:creator>DeAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do stay in power if you govern right. It&#039;s when people get so fed up with Republicans acting like Democrats that people finally say: Let&#039;s send a message and throw the bums out. Unfortunately, we are all paying the price for that way of thinking. George Bush is looking wonderful right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do stay in power if you govern right. It&#8217;s when people get so fed up with Republicans acting like Democrats that people finally say: Let&#8217;s send a message and throw the bums out. Unfortunately, we are all paying the price for that way of thinking. George Bush is looking wonderful right now.</p>
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		<title>By: wanumba</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/11/06/lindsey-graham-scolds-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-211064</link>
		<dc:creator>wanumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly that Bush passively signed spending bills that the CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED to him for signature that he shouldn&#039;t have, but it takes two to tango when it comes to spending bills, why is only ONE of the two blamed? It takes months to write, negotiate and vote on any single bill, with plenty of time and HUNDREDS of PEOPLE in both the House and the Senate and their staffs to re-think the wisdom of it, but ten seconds to sign the thing once it arrives KER-CHUNK on the POTUS desk.  BOTH deserve criticism, but why pick one guy when about 535 others are suddenly acting like they were on Pluto when this was all happening?

But it&#039;s curious to see the people who snark at Bush for not vetoing spending bills then turn on a dime and cry and wail that Republicans are the &quot;Party of NO&quot; when the GOP balks at ... more Democrat-Congress-manufactured spending.  Bush should have been praised by Democrats for being a &quot;yes&quot; guy by that reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly that Bush passively signed spending bills that the CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED to him for signature that he shouldn&#8217;t have, but it takes two to tango when it comes to spending bills, why is only ONE of the two blamed? It takes months to write, negotiate and vote on any single bill, with plenty of time and HUNDREDS of PEOPLE in both the House and the Senate and their staffs to re-think the wisdom of it, but ten seconds to sign the thing once it arrives KER-CHUNK on the POTUS desk.  BOTH deserve criticism, but why pick one guy when about 535 others are suddenly acting like they were on Pluto when this was all happening?</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s curious to see the people who snark at Bush for not vetoing spending bills then turn on a dime and cry and wail that Republicans are the &#8220;Party of NO&#8221; when the GOP balks at &#8230; more Democrat-Congress-manufactured spending.  Bush should have been praised by Democrats for being a &#8220;yes&#8221; guy by that reasoning.</p>
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