Sat 31 Oct 2009
We oftentimes get accused of shooting our own here on Sonoran Alliance in the name of conservative principles. The majority of the time, I have to agree that the problem with the GOP is that we try to play down our conservatism at large by running moderate to liberal Republicans only to find out that after they win, they give the party a bad rep because they vote no different than the Democrat.
We’ve been watching the same thing unfold in Republican district 23 in New York between so-called Republican, Dierdre Scozzafava, and Conservative, Doug Hoffman. Today, Dierdre Scozzafava suspenced her campaign and effectively withdrew from the race (AP Story). This is definitely good news for conservatives as the voters will now have a clear difference when they vote next Tuesday between a liberal and a conservative. If Hoffman pulls a win off in NY-23 it will send a strong message (as will the Governor’s races in VA and NJ) that the people are mad as hell at Democrats, liberals and incumbents for that matter, and they ain’t gonna take it any more.
Agree with my premise or not, next Tuesday’s election will be an indirect referendum on the Obama Administration. There are millions of pissed off voters – many of them Independents – who have swung back right of center. As for NY-23, one lesson the GOP should take away is that Republicans need to revisit the doctrine that conservative principles are actually a winning platform.
November 1st, 2009 at 8:14 am
Its hard for me to see how the VA governors race is a referendum on the president… They have only voted once for a democrat for president since 1964. New Jersey a state that more moderate that is a toss up state all the time I can agree with.
My question is though if corzine wins in NJ and mcdonell in VA and the dem wins in NY how did the referendum come out? This is generally where the polls stand now. So I wonder what winning 2 out of 3 would mean for the president…
November 1st, 2009 at 8:51 am
the referendum in 23 has already happened. it is a conservative district so no one expects the Democrat to win. what has been show is what the base of the GOP wants and that was the real referendum.
November 1st, 2009 at 9:16 am
So, DSW, what are you going to say if the true conservative gets spanked?
Or, is this the end of the republican party, the party of Lincoln that has owned that seat for 100 years?
The Conservative Party. That is going to be a nice 32% national draw party.
Better hope the dems split at this rate.
November 1st, 2009 at 10:25 am
The real story here, and the snapshot of our party is happening in 23 but not exactly for those reasons. You had two R’s battling it out in a district that has been Republican for 100 years. The fact that a Democrat even has a chance is outrageous. It is all because two Republicans have been dragging each other through the mud.
Again, we cut off our nose to spite our face.
November 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am
I would agree that everyone’s statement has been correct. Dierdre Scozzafava got into the race thinking that the voters had a 2006 or 2008 mindset. That has shifted back dramatically right of center largely due to the volatility of the independents. Hoffman is the defacto Republican in this race Scozzafava was the RINO. Yes, the district is resorting back to its traditional voting behavior as a Republican district but we will likely see that it will have a distinct conservative purity this time.
As far as the VA Governor’s race, all you have to do is look at the margin separating McDonnell from Deeds. Real Clear Politics now has the race averaged with McDonnell ahead by 13.4%. I think it’s fair to say that the party is over for Dems in the State of Virginia.
RCP has Christie up by 1% and this is in a traditionally Democratic state that BO carried by 15%. I’d definitely call that a referendum!
November 1st, 2009 at 10:48 am
With comments like this from New York Times columnists,Frank Rich, who needs to run get out the vote campaign ads to motivate Republican voters?
“The battle for upstate New York confirms just how swiftly the right has devolved into a wacky, paranoid cult that is as eager to eat its own as it is to destroy Obama.”
November 1st, 2009 at 11:11 am
Personally, I think whatever scenario happens in NY-23 is win-win for the Democrats. If Hoffman wins, then the RNC will push hard-right candidates. Independents will come running back when they see the Birther-esque fringe has taken over the GOP.
If Hoffman loses, we’ll get to make fun of the Teabagger right, and it’ll just piss them off more and they’ll do their kamikaze run of nominating third party candidates.
Also, Huckabee made a bad move not endorsing Hoffman, which pushes Pawlenty and Palin up for 2012 – and Lord, can I not wait for that primary fight.
November 1st, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Virginia drivers were hit over a year ago with punitive fines of over $1,000 per traffic violation, above and beyond the actual fines, including such things as “improper signalling.” ($50 + $1,000 !!!)
The noodlehead GOP legislature didn’t catch the implications of the wording of the bill until a sharp-eyed GOP Rep from No. VA caught it and spread the warning. Governor (D) Kaine was gleeful, sitting on it, collecting money, while the screams mounted, quite delighted with letting the GOP squirm.
“Charmingly,” the punitive fines were ONLY for VA drivers, not applicable to out of state drivers. A year of political wrangling and finger-pointing and appeals to the VA Supreme Court put everyone in Virginia in a vey bad mood against money-grubbers (D) or (RINO).
November 1st, 2009 at 7:38 pm
DSW Says:
November 1st, 2009 at 10:48 am
With comments like this from New York Times columnists,Frank Rich:
“The battle for upstate New York confirms just how swiftly the right has devolved into a wacky, paranoid cult that is as eager to eat its own as it is to destroy Obama.”
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Rich can’t get any wackier, the Conservative “Right” is “Stalinist” or “Jacobin” – the arch-enemies of Conservatives.
He wants to invoke “purges” but that’s what Leftists do to each other, not Conservatives. Conservatives “vote out” – Leftists “purge.”
Each one a defining characteristic of each political ideology.
Leftists constantly call to usurp normal transfers of government power by coup, take-over, dissolving this or that assembly or cutting short legal terms of office by impeachment or other mechanisms.
Conservatives call to use normal, established procedures and laws for orderly transfer of power.
This is not a small thing. Leftist rhetoric is infused with “revolution,” “question authority.” How many words were used in the past 8 years to “impeach Bush?” WHat for? His term of office was Constitutionally limited. The second election, he won fair and square, so voting him out didn’t work, but even so, what was the worry? He had only 4 more years and gone forever. No. The Democrats wanted “IMPEACHMENT,” a means to rip a president out of office before his lawful term had expired, not for any wrong-doing, but for political disagreement.
The Left, by doing this is playing a very very destructive and dangerous game; encouraging people who do not know what chaos and disorder look or feel like to approve of transfers of power that have no basis in a consensus of the people.
People should be very very very very careful about making any decision or move that undermines the shared societal consensus of who is rightfully leading the country. The Left doesn’t care, they like chaos, they believe it gives them opportunities to seize control they otherwise wouldn’t achieve, but the destruction is immense and devastating.
November 1st, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Leading House Republican John Boehner said his party still casts a big, welcome tent to all those who would call themselves Republican.
“We accept moderates in our party. We want moderates in our party. We cover a wide range of Americans.
What we need is . . . a broad group of people in our party.”
November 1st, 2009 at 10:29 pm
wanumba,
I seem to remember that Clinton was impeached and in fact your entire diatribe would be much more aptly applied to Republicans.
I mean really, do you believe things like this because they are so without a sense of context and history it is almost unbelievable that you actually do.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 am
Conservatives want to kick Barack Obama out of the White House for being Kenyan. But that’s just out of their respect the rule of law.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 am
It’s certainly true that no one on the right would suggest that one should question authority. No siree bob. It would be absurd to suggest otherwise.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 am
And DSW has not been one to throw around the word “revolution” lately.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:45 am
Surprise! The fake Republican came out and endorsed the Democrat. Hmmm. Looks like Palin got it right again.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 am
Predictions Anyone?
Hoffman by 7%
McDonnell by 16%
Christie by 4%
Obama -5%
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
Hoffman by 4%
McDonnell by 20%
Corazine by 2%
Maine Question One – No by 3%
Maine will be the first state in the Union that will reject homphobia by legislative and public fiat!
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“todd Says:
November 1st, 2009 at 10:29 pm
wanumba,
I mean really, do you believe things like this because they are so without a sense of context and history it is almost unbelievable that you actually do.”
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Let’s see, I’ve lived thru 2 coups, a mutiny and an ethnic cleansing, so the subject of usurping governments, coups, civil disorder, break down of law and order, political machinations versus orderly transfers of power have been front and center in my LIFE, not just my THINKING for decades.
I purposely commented about it to open people’s eyes, as too many Americans are absolutely clueless as to the enormity of the stakes involved, and how much propaganda, coming from the Left, has infiltrated the public square that Rule of Law is not so important.
So, to answer your questions, I lived it, so it’s not just some “belief.” How about you, are you now challenged to inform yourself on these incredibly important issues?
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Basil St. John Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 am
Conservatives want to kick Barack Obama out of the White House for being Kenyan. But that’s just out of their respect the rule of law.
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DO you know what a lot of Kenyans think of Obama right now? After he campaigned for his stated cousin Odinga in 2006? A brand new US Senator flew to Kenya to campaign in another country’s presidential elections? Two thousand Kenyans dead, thousands displaced, economy ruined.
Let’s apply some Rule of Law here:
Is it legal for a United States Senator to use US taxpayer money to fly to another country and politically campaign for a cousin?
Is it legal for a U.S. Senator who took an oath of office to represent his constituents to use the prestige of his elected office to fly to another country to meddle in their internal affairs?
Is it in the interests of the United States government and the People for any UGS offical or elected respresntative to be campaigning in any other country?
Was it a violation of the Logan Act for Obama to have flown to Kenya to work for a foreign political party and political candidate?
Obama’s action helped damage US-Kenyan relations. His cousin’s happy enough, but not the survivors of the ethnic cleansing.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
wanumba – he isn’t his cousin.
as to the reply to my question – you dodged the basic point that what you seem so exercised about was in fact an exact description of what was done to Clinton by the GOP.
November 2nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
“todd Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
wanumba – he isn’t his cousin.
as to the reply to my question – you dodged the basic point that what you seem so exercised about was in fact an exact description of what was done to Clinton by the GOP.
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The CLinton impeachment process was based on CLinton being found guilty of lying under oath. The Congress decided to rebuke him via impeachment, declining to pursue it further thru the established impeachment process for actual removal. There were not the votes to go any further, so it did not. Totally Rule of Law.
Meanwhile:
Can you provide some documentation that Odinga is not Obama’s cousin? Odinga claims Obama is his cousin, Obama flew to Kenya to campaign for him.
You didn’t answer a single question as to the legality of ANYTHING then US Senator Obama did in Kenya for Odinga’s presidential campaign. August 2006.
Odinga is a self-avowed Marxist, so did Obama campaign for him on the basis of family obligations (nepotism) or sipport for communist politics?
Odinga also employed exactly that disrespect for Rule of Law of which I spoke – he didn’t like the outcome of the election – he lost the vote – so he unleashed a massacre against the Kikuyu tribal people, the arch political and tribal rivals of Odinga and Obama’s stated family tribal group, the Luos.
We were in Kenya when Obama showed up and had no idea who he was – brand new Illinois Senator. He was received with all honors and protocol by the sitting Kenyan government as a VIP, US Senator, but he left with much less fanfare about a week or so later, with the Kenyan government complaining about his unwelcome meddling.
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Todd I am not disputing anything you say because I admit I do not know anything about it. But my one question is if all this happened in 06 and 07 and people think obama actually violated the law why did not republican 527 run ads on it during the election? Or was it not at least a story on fox…
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Wanumba,
About your little problem with the word “purge”, apparently, that *is* what conservatives do:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/31/the-gop-establishment-must-be-purged-as-the-gop-loses-in-ny-23/
That’s from the editor of Red State. Whoops!
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
But my one question is if all this happened in 06 and 07 and people think obama actually violated the law why did not republican 527 run ads on it during the election? Or was it not at least a story on fox…
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Why just FOX, where was CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS?
Incredibly, in August 2006, Obama was a national nobody, just elected to the Illinois Senate seat. His rise to POTUS from that launchpad has been rocket-like.
The MSM was all aflutter when newly-minted Senator Obama arrived in Kenya- the “back to roots tour.” He arrived to great fanfare and VIP treatment by the Kenyan government, befitting a US Senator, and sort of local hero. But about a week later, Obama left a lot more quietly. Possibly to avoid being PNG’d by the Kenyan government. That’s “Persona Non Grata” – in other words, “expulsion.”
Why the risk of PNG? Obama arrived in Kenya and was received with honor by the sitting Kenyan government, then he used his time in country to campaign for his cousin Odinga and AGAINST the Kenyan government.
Taking meddling in another country’s internal affairs to a higher level of chutzpah.
The media, all glowing about his arrival in Kenya, went silent.
The questions remain, did then Senator Obama use US taxpayer funds to pay for his trip to Kenya? Did he classify it as “official business?” On what basis does any US Senator have for campaigning for an-on-the-record-avowed MARXIST, a FOREIGNER in another country? ANd for that matter a stated COUSIN, which would also be nepotism.
Did he violate the Logan Act? Was he acting against US Foreign Policy?
These are serious, serious questions even without the added horror of Obama’s campaign choice for Kenya president, his apparent cousin Odinga, unleashing a vicious Tribal-based bloodbath against the Kenyan president and his Tribal people, the Kikuyus when Odinga lost the election.
Odinga has a HISTORY of just this sort of thuggy behavior, so Obama cannot credibly claim he didn’t know his family guy was a brute or he didn’t know Odinga is, and has been a Marxist all his life.
Go educate yourselves about this incident. The MSM has failed in its responsibility to inform the American People.
Just because they didn’t report it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
When I use the word “purge” I use it as the Left uses it.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
For example, Odinga sent out his Luo tribepeople to violently purge the resettled areas of Kenya of Kikuyus…
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Wanumba… The reason I said fox was for the reasons you said that the msm sucks. And I would love for you to provide just some links as to where you got your info so I could educate myself on it…
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Wanumba,
Of course you do.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
johnny Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Wanumba… The reason I said fox was for the reasons you said that the msm sucks. And I would love for you to provide just some links as to where you got your info so I could educate myself on it…
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I don’t have TV, so I don’t get my news from FOX or any of the MSM.
And do you really need me to hold your hand and do your internet research for you? I assumed all along that you were quite capable and motivated enough to educate yourself on this serious issue. Was I wrong?
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
The Klute Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Wanumba,
Of course you do.
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Sure I do. My business was food and emergency humanitarian aid, and all the emergencies involved ethnic cleansing – violent and murderous purging. It’s not academic to me.
But you seem more comfortable with stereotypes and in-the-box thinking. I had hoped that you would have recognized the seriousness of this discussion, but so far all you’ve clung to is shallow stereotypes and one-dimensional thinking, and seem more comfortable with a narrow and rigid world-view that cannot accept new information.
Otherwise, you’d be busy looking up everything you could about Obama’s extremely disturbing August 2006 campaign trip for Odinga, not wasting your time poo-pooing my comments.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Wanmba
I ask because its easy to find info on the trip but something else to find the claims you discuss. Also I would like to see your particular sources its easy to make claims I want you to back them up. That’s what people do when they make not easily proven statements they give evidence…
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Do you need my passport showing I was in Kenya in August 2006 or will you be comfortable taking my word for it?
Meanwhile, “Kenya’s Killing Fields” has a good summary with tons of links.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:04 pm
This could get extremely interesting:
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144027609&cid=4&
Kenyan IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons) to take Odinga and Kibaki to the International Court at the Hague for their parts, and their supporters’ parts in the post-election violence.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Obama’s diplomatic blunder in Kenya, August 2006:
http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/AmericaVotes/-/464300/486880/-/item/1/-/foluvvz/-/index.html
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
Wanumba,
You can never take anyones word for anything on a blog. You should know that. I am just trying to get actual info and not claims. Thanks for the links.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:38 am
Wanumba,
“Seriousness”? What, your crazy teabagger mythology about Obama being some sort of fifth column for genocidal Kenyan Marxism?
I mean questions like this:
“Can you provide some documentation that Odinga is not Obama’s cousin?”
I also can’t provide documentation that Queen Elizabeth II isn’t actually a reptoid alien from the Horsehead Nebula, and yet…
Even if your fever dreams were true, because of the froth-mouthed hatred of Obama shown by the right, which has accused Obama of being everything from a Muslim version of the Manchurian Candidate to being a tool of the Bildeberger one-world state, it’s become static. Congratulations – you’ve become the guy with the “Obama = Hitler” sign.
“Otherwise, you’d be busy looking up everything you could about Obama’s extremely disturbing August 2006 campaign trip for Odinga…”
Wow, are you telling me an American politician did something that may have benefitted a corrupt foreign leader?
Man, I was OK with the Shah, the Duvaliers, Ferdinand Marcos, Augusto Pinochet, P.W. Botha, General Obiang… but this is the bridge too far!
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:43 am
And this just re-enforces that:
“Incredibly, in August 2006, Obama was a national nobody, just elected to the Illinois Senate seat.”
Really? A “no-body”? The Jack Ryan, and then Keyes-Obama race was one of the most watched in 2006. But add the spookyness of “OBAMA WAS A NOBODY AND CAME FROM NOWHERE – oooo-weeee-oooo” meme to it, and look! Instant dark shadows fall.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:50 am
Odiniga’s father says it is not true. Not sure what evidence can be offered to prove a negative.
The documentation you provide indicates Obama went to Kenya and gave a speech criticizing corruption and tribalism. Odinga was clearly trying to tie himself to Obama’s popularity.
I wonder, if what you say is true, what would then-Secretary Rice ask Obama to tape a message to try and calm the violence.
You are really grasping at straws.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
Yeah now that I have read your “evidence” not going to lie this looks really weak…
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Now that ya’ll have independently confirmed that Obama was in Kenya in August 2006, campaigning for his stated cousin, Odinga, an-on-the-record life-long Marxist, perhaps you can help us all by finding out the answers to these important questions:
1)What Constitutional authority did then-Senator Obama have for political campaigning in another country for a stated cousin, a foreigner?
2) What funding did Obama use to pay for his Kenya roundtrip fare and sojourn in Kenya? His own private funds or was it billed to the US taxpayer?
Inquiring minds want to know.
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
wanumba,
1. Even if it were true, where in the Constitution does it prohibit anyone from campaigning for someone here or in a foreign country?
Show me where (is it in the same place as requrining that laws be passed with members of both parties?). I’ll donate $20.00 to the charity of your choice.
2. Wonder no longer!
http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/obama/37442,CST-NWS-sweetside28.article
Boy, the MSM sure swept that one under the rug, what with the total of 2 seconds it took me to Google it! I mean, such an obscure outfit like the Senator’s hometown newspaper “Chicago Sun-Times”.
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Where does it say in the constitution that obama can’t go to kenya and show up at a rally for someone?
You could claim under article II because the president is in charge of foreign affairs but then anytime an elected official in 03 talked about diposing saddam and advocated challabi or any of the others as leaders or met with an iraqi group will saddam was leader would be guilty of the same crime. So I have a hard time seeing your argument…
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Here’s some more questions inquiring minds would like answered since you are diligently researching:
What’s the Senator of Illinois doing flitting off after election to a foreign country to campaign for a presidential candidate for another nation? Isn’t that a “conflict of interest” or “foreign powers” sort of legal thingy?
What’s the oath of office for a US Senator -something to do with upholding the Constitution and faithfully representing his/her constitutents and such? Was the Illinois oath re-written to include meddling in other country’s internal affairs? Usually, senators go to Washington, DC to represent their states, at the US Senate, not to foreign countries to rally voters for cousins running for other political offices. Was this a sign that Obama’s loyalities were more to foreign family concerns than to the People of Illinois and the United States?
What do you think about Odinga forming a political coalition to include concessions for introducing sharia law in Kenya? Wouldn’t that make Obama’s campaigning for Odinga against United States national interests, given that at the time we were and are still engaged in a war against Islamofascism?
What do you think about the Kenyans who have been killed in terrorist bombings, many of which have been traced directly back to Ghaddafi of Libya, who has spoken profusely of expanding his brand of “Green” Islamic Socialism into Kenya and other African nations?
Do you think Kenyans were right to call Obama, Odinga’s “stooge” or was that cross-culturally insensitive?
Wow. Thanks. Just refreshing this whole incident brings up more and more questions that need to be answered and has allowed many more people to be informed who otherwise wouldn’t have been.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
So, just gonna skirt by that whole “Constitution” thing, are we, wanumba?
Here’s answers to your questions (in no particular order): No, no, yes, Reynolds makes the best tinfoil for your hat, Ayn Rand, paranoia can be treated, I don’t care, Islamofacism is a word stupid people created to feel smart, No, Don’t care, don’t care, don’t care.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Now that Gayle seems to be gone (what happened? Did she go rogue?) it seems we need someone to fill the void with wordy nonsensical conspiracy theories. Thanks for taking up the mantle, wanumba.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I so glad ya’ll acted correctly.
Not trusting my word alone, you went and researched and verified for everyone that Obama indeed campaigned in Kenya, using the pomp and authority as a newly-elected United States Senator from Illinois for his avowed on-the-record Marxist cousin Odinga, who was running for president of Kenya, in August 2006.
I knew ya’ll were capable and didn’t need me to hold your hand to navigate the internet to educate yourselves and all readers as to this very important part of Obama’s Senate politicking for his stated family in Kenya instead of staying in the USA and working to represent in the US Senate, in Washington,DC, the people of Illinois, as he took an oath of office to do.
So, can you put those fine minds and nimble keyboarding to work to find out who paid for Obama’s trip? Him or us?
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
wanumba
for goodness sake, read the article klute linked to. this was all approved in the normal way through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Defense Department, and the State Department, as Congressional Delegation travel to foreign countries which happens all the time.
btw, you are misrepresenting that Odinga is his cousin and are misrepresenting the reason for the trip.
you have now entered the realm of the ridiculous and you will have to continue by yourself.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
btw, you are misrepresenting that Odinga is his cousin and are misrepresenting the reason for the trip.
you have now entered the realm of the ridiculous and you will have to continue by yourself.
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Okay. Let’s just leave some things to ponder over. Why did Obama campaign for Odinga?
Odinga claims him as a cousin, Obama has never disavowed that and Obama campaigned for him. If some violent guy claimed you as a cousin and he wasn’t, wouldn’t you be quick to correct that?
Is it because Odinga is a Marxist? Odinga’s father, Oginga Odinga, was a Marxist and the Lous as a tribal group were heavily courted by the Soviet Union which is why Obama’s stated father, Obama, Sr. wrote his approval of 100% taxation.
Is that why Obama supports the Marxist Zelaya in Honduras?
What possible Illinois and US Senate business did Obama have in KENYA?
We went there on family business on our own dime. Judging from all the approvals Obama got that you’ve dredged up, that must mean Obama charged his trip and expenses to the US taxpayer, which FINALLY answers that question.
Since the known to be a thug, with jail time in his past, Odinga, unleashed a slaughter and two thousand Kenyans were brutally massacred and hundreds of thousands displaced and are STILL displaced (IDPs) can we all get our money back from Obama? Why did Obama diminish US prestige to bolster the image of a guy with decades of publically known mischief under his belt? Seems Obama was meddling in foreign affairs he had no experience in or business being involved in, wouldn’t you say?
Knowing what you know now about Odinga, would you ever want you and him in the same picture together, for ANY reason?
Guess that will be a question the International Court at the Hague will be asking.
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
wanumba,
I fail to see evidence Obama campaigned for Obama.
At this point I have to question whether you know what you are talking about. Odinga is not a Muslim but a born-again Christian. The sharia law pact you claim has been proven to be a forgery. There is no proof he is Obama’s cousin. Obama visited Kenya with full clearance and support of the Senate, Department of Defense and State Department. Obama did not donate to Odinga’s campaign. The violence following the election was because the voting was clearly rigged to support Kibaki. The US pressured Kibaki to reach and agreement with Odinga because of this. Odinga is not a marxist but a liberal.
Now my question to you wanumba – It appears you are either a) not in fact knowledgeable about Kenya but are in just parroting various right-wing conspiracy emails which have been thoroughly debunked or b) you are in fact familiar with Kenya but are a partisan in the conflict and are attempting to completely misrepresent what in fact happened there.
So which one is it wanumba ?
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
CONGRATULATIONS! You won the battle….the purge worked. But YOU LOST THE WAR.
This was a Republican District and would have elected a Republican Congresswoman had this goof ball Doug Hoffman stayed OUT of the Race.
So much for the Endorsements of the teabaggers, The Club for Growth, Right to Life, the “Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner” crowd and 2012 GOP Presidential candidates.
Ronald Reagan got it….the coalition only works when Moderates are welcome in the Republican Party….there isn’t enough of “YOU”. “You” need “US”. Mike Triggs, former Executive Director of the Minnesota Republican Party
November 4th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Yeah not a surprise hoffman lost. I know it might be to people on SA but I don’t see how people didn’t see that coming…
Deeds ran a joke of a campaign and corzine is the most corrupt governor we have seen since blago. If the GOP couldn’t win those races they might as well have ceased to be a party.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
todd Says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
wanumba,
I fail to see evidence Obama campaigned for Obama.
At this point I have to question whether you know what you are talking about. Odinga is not a Muslim but a born-again Christian. The sharia law pact you claim has been proven to be a forgery. There is no proof he is Obama’s cousin. Obama visited Kenya with full clearance and support of the Senate, Department of Defense and State Department. Obama did not donate to Odinga’s campaign. The violence following the election was because the voting was clearly rigged to support Kibaki. The US pressured Kibaki to reach and agreement with Odinga because of this. Odinga is not a marxist but a liberal.
Now my question to you wanumba – It appears you are either a) not in fact knowledgeable about Kenya but are in just parroting various right-wing conspiracy emails which have been thoroughly debunked or b) you are in fact familiar with Kenya but are a partisan in the conflict and are attempting to completely misrepresent what in fact happened there.
So which one is it wanumba ?
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Asiye kubali kushindwa si mshindani.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
He who does not admit defeat is not a sportsman…
2 things… That took 2 seconds to find in google so it doesn’t prove anything at all. And you still have not answered any questions or provided any real evidence of your claims so as of now you are a liar and fraud.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Oh and I didn’t specify but that was a translation of your phrase at the bottom and if you want I can go to english translator and use all sorts of languages in the same phrase.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Well, it seemed very appropriate, given the options about me listed above:
1) Stereotype, stereotype, stereotype
2) denial, denial, denial
And what have we learned thru this exercise about Obama?
1) Obama, for some reason doesn’t think being in the company of Odinga, hard-core Marxist liar, (Odinga says he’s a cousin, YOU all say NO, no links, no documentation, but we’ll settle for liar) is a problem or he wouldn’t have allowed himself to be photographed with him. This is NOT in the interest of the United States for any Senator to be publically associated with such a partisan political figure, particularly in the context of a presidential election. This damaged US relations in Africa.
2) Hanging with fellow Luo tribesman Odinga, distant cousin or not – (and frankly if one is a Luo, one IS related soemwhere down the line, no matter what, unless Obama really isn’t Luo, an interesting line of conjecture if there ever was one) – in Kenya during the Kenyan elections – pitted against the sitting president, arch rival tribal group, the Kikuyus, takes “partisanship” to new heights of divisiveness and favoritism. Nothing nastier than tribal politics.
3) President Kibaki would not take kindly to your partisan, ie: Odinga’s hysterical and demogogic accusation, that he tried to steal the election. Odinga SAID that to provide an excuse to unleash a slaughter. It MIGHT be right or it MIGHT be wrong, but no one on this blog has any basis to assert that unequivically.
Kenyans DIED, horrifically, because of Odinga’s fury, and his refusal to accept the results. Rule of Law: If at first you don’t succeed, RUN FOR ELECTION NEXT TIME.
Odinga didn’t care about Kenya or his fellow Kenyan citizens, it was all about HIM.
4) Everyone with any sense KNOWS Obama couldn’t POSSIBLY have donated a cool million to Odinga. Pish posh! Obama needed now-felon Tony Rezko to help get him his million dollar home in Chicago. Who would have any money left over for any frivolities after that?
That’s so funny, ya’ll have to google what I’m talking about to keep up.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
A Democrat wins a seat that was held by the GOP since the late 1800’s and you guys are talking about Kenya? WTF!?!