Comments on: E Pluribus Discerpo?

By: Abilard

Abilard — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:49:55 +0000

@Klute

"Bitter Southerners who can’t face the reality that their great-great-grandparents were traitors call it that."

It’s the Founders’ faults. Amendments IX and X suggest they were trying to experiment with a concept of partial or limited sovereignty for the federal state, but such a concept is self-defeating. Where individuals or states have the right to nullify laws through secession sovereignty does not exist. By implicitly acknowledging the right of secession while creating a federal government that can trump the laws of member states the Founders were setting us up for the conflict that followed. This was unwise.

@Veritas

“Klute might be a closet Nazi as I understand he likes to wear hob-nailed Doc Martins.”

I know him. The Nazi comments here are far from the mark. He is occasionally intolerant of conservatives, however, and I suspect genuinely misses the points many conservatives try to make.

@E Pluribus Discerpo

I think that Pat Buchannon, Dmitry Orlov, Gerald Celente, and Igor Panarin need to temper their views with a little history. Every time Americans have faced a crisis in the past (the Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression, etc.) the response has been an greater centralization of our government, not a contraction. And collectivism is not state killer Ayn Rand portrayed or the USSR would not have lasted as long as it did.

Americans are fully capable of coming out of these crises with a large centralized state that could inefficiently plod along for 70 years. Those who object to this outcome need to start articulating why in terms left-leaning citizens can understand. Sticking your head in the sand and muttering "it’ll all fail" or "the Founders wouldn’t like it" will have exactly zero effect on the debate IMHO.

By: The Klute

The Klute — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:53:25 +0000

“Some call it the War of Northern Aggression since, if the books are correct it was Lincoln who invaded a brother state of the Union with 75,000 troops.”

Bitter Southerners who can’t face the reality that their great-great-grandparents were traitors call it that.

“Klute might be a closet Nazi as I understand he likes to wear hob-nailed Doc Martins.”

It’s “Martens”, not “Martins”.

By: Veritas Vincit

Veritas Vincit — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:33:00 +0000

Some call it the War of Northern Aggression since, if the books are correct it was Lincoln who invaded a brother state of the Union with 75,000 troops.

Klute might be a closet Nazi as I understand he likes to wear hob-nailed Doc Martins.

By: todd

todd — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:13:24 +0000

x4mr – Are you suggesting that the party of Lincoln has ironically transformed itself into the part of John Wilkes Booth?

By: x4mr

x4mr — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:51:36 +0000

The country is being torn apart, another Civil War indeed. In the first Civil War, which side talked about secession? Which side hated the sitting president? Which side wanted to cling to the past and preserve status quo?

Which side won?

By: The Klute

The Klute — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:32:29 +0000

To the point, you started referring to me with a Nazi title before this, and when I referred to you as a pro-business butt boy, that’s when your little feelings got hurt and you put on this new veneer of hurt and pain.

I feel very sorry for you.

By: todd

todd — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:56:23 +0000

I am amused to see Antifederalist complain about others’ supposed ad hominem attacks. Soon he will be threatening to kill people and dump the bodies as s/he has before in this forum.

By: Antifederalist

Antifederalist — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:03:52 +0000

@Kenny,
Not to sound like a 4-year old, but I’m returning Klute’s favor. He loves ad hominem attacks and couldn’t use logic and reason to find his way out of wet toilet paper wrappings. I’m just making sure that he knows he’ll get back EXACTLY what he dishes out. When he dials back the ad hominem, so will I. I’m more than willing to stop the ad hominem attacks on him the instant he agrees to do the same. He won’t tho. Liberals would shrivel up to nothingness without their vitriol. They NEED to be angry at their impotence. it’s what drives them.

@Rosco,
One could only hope we’re in the midst of a conservative revolution, but nothing will ever come of it. While Jefferson told us that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,” no one in this country will ever do anything about it. Why? The lemmings have been too brainwashed into thinking that guns are bad and law enforcement is beyond reproach. If we loved our guns and held government in contempt, perhaps THEN we WOULD see the people forcing a roll-back of government.

I’ll reiterate what I’ve said before. The dumb drones in this country will lie back and take it. No one will do anything about the rising cost of government (because no one has the cajones to tell special interests to go suck eggs and CUT spending) and we’ll accept a tax increase to pay for MORE government because tools like Todd and Government Butt-boy Untersturmfuhrer Klute LOVE government and thinks all it does is gold and government is the be-all, end-all solution and answer to EVERY question. The unthinking, unwashed masses more resemble these buffoons than our Founders anymore these days. Sad, but true.

By: todd

todd — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:00:39 +0000

Antifederalist,
You did read DSW’s article which is a response to what Buchanan wrote in the conservative World Net Daily, right? I’m beginning to think that the only person Antifederalist would label a conservative is him or herself.

By: Rosco P Coltrane

Rosco P Coltrane — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:16:27 +0000

By the way, Gerald Celente of Trends Research believes that we have already entered the Second American Revolution. It started with the first tea parties on Apr 15, followed by more tea parties July 4, growing with the healthcare townhalls. He says the media refuse to acknowledge that The People are just fed up with the federal government and that The People are finally going to do something about it. What and when remains to be seen. Gerald has a lot of mp3 interviews out on the web.

By: Rosco P Coltrane

Rosco P Coltrane — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:10:59 +0000

“are there other ways meet our critical objectives besides (insert unpopular government policy here) , especially ways that don’t involve government?”

I guess if you put words within greater-than and less-than symbols, they don’t show up.

By: Rosco P Coltrane

Rosco P Coltrane — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:08:56 +0000

I think we’d be much better off as a country if people focused on what the root-cause of these problems were, and then brainstormed real solutions that never trampled on our freedoms.

But our rulers are not interested in getting down to solving what the REAL problems are. To do that would mean solutions that didn’t involve government or politicians, and then they would realize that they were fairly useless creatures.

So we get 1000-page bills written by lawyers and lobbyists and pushed by members of both parties that pile more government bloat and power-grab on top of problems caused by government themselves.

Few in power have ever asked questions like “why really is healthcare so expensive?” “Why do they want to attack us?” “are there other ways meet our critical objectives besides , especially ways that don’t involve government?”

By: Kenny Jacobs

Kenny Jacobs — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:58:38 +0000

Antifederalist,

Neither todd nor The Klute referred to Pat Buchanan as a “small-government conservative.” They called him a conservative, just like he often refers to himself.

I’m sure you and Mr. Buchanan have serious policy differences but your shared obsession with sodomy references might prove to be the bridge to bring you two love-birds back together.

Best of luck with that!

By: Antifederalist

Antifederalist — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:18:30 +0000

How stupid Leftists are is utterly amazing. Pat Buchanan HATES free markets and therefore believes in a command economy. He’s a protectionist. That Leftists believe he is a conservative shows their utter idiocy. One simply cannot be a protectionist AND a small-government conservative. Those two things are mutually exclusive. One cannot embrace the government controlling trade AND small government at the same time. To believe in small government NECESSITATES a belief in FREE markets. That Leftists cannot keep political and economic theories straight just goes to show exactly how benighted they really are. Remember, these are the idiots who brand Bush and his ilk “conservatives” and believe “neo-con” means ULTRA-conservative rather than NEW-conservative (aka Dems flooding the party after Reagan’s victories). What dolts.

To quote Reagan, “There you go again.” Government Butt-boy Untersturmfuhrer Klute and Todd spouting inanities.

Do Republicans troll as much on left-wing blogs as these clowns do on SA?

By: The Klute

The Klute — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:53:52 +0000

“Embrace Buchanan’s formulation that America needs to get back to venerating Robert E Lee over Martin Luther King.”

And don’t forget, Pat Buchanan wants America to realize that Hitler was just misunderstood. He didn’t *really* want war.

Oh, how I wish I was kidding.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090901/cm_uc_crpbux/op_3311160