That’s still not part of eugenics. There is no “other part” of definition other than what you are trying to create.

The Nazis tried to push euthansia (which is the “eu” word you’re actually thinking of) on elderly Germans out of some twisted fiscal discipline, not eugenics.

When you refer to the mass slaughter of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc – you’re refering to genocide, not eugenics.

If you’re going to go off the deep end and use fear (which, you know, I get that’s your only rhetorical argument left, because the right sure as hell doesn’t have any actual solutions), at least know what historical situations you’re referencing.

At dictionary.com they say “the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).”

That was only part of the definition I was using.

Historically, regimes that practiced the dictionary version of eugenics did so to make a super-race. They wanted only a super-race in their world. Those same regimes killed off the population that they believed was inferior.

That’s the part of eugenics I was referring to.

http://www.overcompensating.com/posts/20090811.html

The more I think about Roscoe’s uber-tarded statement “eugenics” statement, the more I think it puts it up there with Chewie’s “The word ‘revenue’ means loss of money!” post.

I half expect him to say next:

“The Obama healthcare plan will require the creation of time machines… Our grandparents will be required TO GO BACK IN TIME and kill themselves so as not to burden our government! THE TIME-SPACE CONTINUUM IS AT RISK PEOPLE!!!”

Fortunately, VV’s half-Mexican, half-Swedish, half-English ancestors will be sent back by the resistance to save the world.

VV, again, show me where the plan does the ridiculous things you say? Eugenics? REALLY?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

VV, you are the one who made statements absent fact. That’s your perpetual M.O. Every issue on this blog you have “intimate” knowledge of, we’ve all met the likes of you, the boring “know-it-all”

http://www.hulu.com/watch/52192/saturday-night-live-penelope—therapy

I take back the question about your role as a health care lobbyist or being on the take. Even someone with that background wouldn’t post something as ignorant as your #39.

btw: How is that 59 million substantiated when in California MediCal provides coverage; in Arizona its AHCCCS; and even migrant guest workers and their families can visit the ER and receive services? Where is 59 million validated in a non-partisan source??

Or is it an estimate provided by some advocacy or special interest group?

Read his lips.

kralmajales and Kenny are here to attack and continue shouting down any rational discussion of this issue. They refuse to listen to their Organizer in Chief or even bother to read the legislation.

As for my being out of this blog for a day now, school is beginning and I have grandchildren to think about.

As for AHCCCS, I am intimately familiar with how it works and doesn’t work – along with the costs involved. Additionally I am for many reasons quite familiar with MediCal as well.

Rosco, thanks for the citations! You’re the bomb!

Kenny, you haven’t substantiated your knowledge of ACCCHS or why its bankrupting Arizona, nor have you cited specific segments of the legislation refuting my video evidence and supporting your mindless attacks.

I’m sorry about your daughter. Currently our system allows Insurance companies to drop families like yours during an illness or to refuse coverage for those who survived a catastrophic illness. We can do better.

James Davidson, an Ortega shopping spree? Jeez, you always go further off topic than any commentator on SA. Come back to reality and the debate, please. BTW, your Caro references on another string were totally bogus, try citations next time. Is there anything you can be truthful about?

Roscoe, your reference to eugenics is way off, none of those refer to eugenics and you should know better.

I have met many small business owners who want to see HCR, their businesses depend on it. VV et. al. work to prevent ANY reform to our healthcare system and will go to any rhetorical ends to do so.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/is_the_government_going_to_eut.html

It is actually disturbing to hear such a common sense idea that is meant to protect people be turned into something evil. I think you need to find a better source than Peter Fleckstein because he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

Even if your crazy-eyed interpretation of gerontology was true, how is that “eugenics”? Eugenics implies the science of birthing the next generation through active or passive means of passing along desirable traits. By the time someone’s at the end of life, odds are pretty good they’ve already bred, passing along their genes, good or bad.

I know when Glenn Beck says things and starts crying you get scared, but you might want to understand what the hell you’re talking about first.

Here’s where eugenics is located in the bill. Maybe it’s hidden other places, too. Of course it doesn’t come right out and say that they are going to kill anybody. Who would vote for that? They have to disguise it to get it to pass. Once written into law, it won’t be long for ANY administration to follow through with the systematic elimination of the surplus population.

From Peter Fleckstein’s personal review of the bill:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life