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]]> By: Lisa http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-160268 Lisa Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:12:47 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-160268 Gayle, What happened with your popular referendum? Its been day one since the challenge, have you drafted the language yet? Gayle,

What happened with your popular referendum? Its been day one since the challenge, have you drafted the language yet?

]]> By: Lisa http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-159970 Lisa Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:19:33 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-159970 Gayle, Go ahead then, put it on an initiative. Put it on an iniative to stop light rail. If you are so sure. Go collect the signatures, you will not be able to get the minimal amount signatures. You and you cadre are all talk, but have zero follow through. Who wants to put a bet down now that Gayle is all talk on this? Lisa Gayle,

Go ahead then, put it on an initiative. Put it on an iniative to stop light rail. If you are so sure. Go collect the signatures, you will not be able to get the minimal amount signatures. You and you cadre are all talk, but have zero follow through. Who wants to put a bet down now that Gayle is all talk on this?
Lisa

]]> By: Gayle http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-159941 Gayle Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:06:38 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-159941 Actually it is quite simple. If you average 34K riders a day--heck make it 50K a day, we are paying for actual riders. Joe Blow may ride every day, and I understand the theory that you multiply that as he is not on the road, but in truth, he is NOT five people of the five day work week. Just one guy riding five times. 34k is 34K. It does not go up by riding more than once. The number actually serviced is not that impressive compared to the cost. Busses service the ENTIRE VALLEY and have drivers not replicants nor computer chips-- well some of them might have a chip in them, I don't know them all. The numbers get muddled when you use the over time we will service-- well if a meteor lands on the 60 or 101, you'd have ridership go up too as the roads would be a bear to navigate around the gaping abyss. If swine flu mutates, we'll have a lot less ridership and then the four guys without homes and the crazy dude with no pants gets all the money in my calculation. You are all into the myopic number crunching of the sell. I am looking at the reality of who actually climbs on the thing. You do not count Janet Napolitano every time she rides it as if shes a new person, even if she changes her mind a few times before jumpin' on. Actually it is quite simple. If you average 34K riders a day–heck make it 50K a day, we are paying for actual riders. Joe Blow may ride every day, and I understand the theory that you multiply that as he is not on the road, but in truth, he is NOT five people of the five day work week. Just one guy riding five times. 34k is 34K. It does not go up by riding more than once. The number actually serviced is not that impressive compared to the cost. Busses service the ENTIRE VALLEY and have drivers not replicants nor computer chips– well some of them might have a chip in them, I don’t know them all.

The numbers get muddled when you use the over time we will service– well if a meteor lands on the 60 or 101, you’d have ridership go up too as the roads would be a bear to navigate around the gaping abyss.

If swine flu mutates, we’ll have a lot less ridership and then the four guys without homes and the crazy dude with no pants gets all the money in my calculation.

You are all into the myopic number crunching of the sell. I am looking at the reality of who actually climbs on the thing. You do not count Janet Napolitano every time she rides it as if shes a new person, even if she changes her mind a few times before jumpin’ on.

]]> By: Bill http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-159933 Bill Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:42:10 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-159933 Gayle, not only are you ignorant about the City's budget process (as Lisa points out), but your math sucks as well. Your $40,000-per-ride figure works only if LIGHT RAIL WAS ONLY OPEN ONE DAY. In fact, the investment is spread over 20+ years, and 300 million+ riders, not 34,000. Plus, the feds picked up half the tab, with taxes we had already paid. So you should at least learn how to work a calculator and complete a simple multi-step computation before posting. Gayle, not only are you ignorant about the City’s budget process (as Lisa points out), but your math sucks as well. Your $40,000-per-ride figure works only if LIGHT RAIL WAS ONLY OPEN ONE DAY. In fact, the investment is spread over 20+ years, and 300 million+ riders, not 34,000. Plus, the feds picked up half the tab, with taxes we had already paid. So you should at least learn how to work a calculator and complete a simple multi-step computation before posting.

]]> By: Gayle http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-159820 Gayle Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:13:53 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-159820 Lisa- Of forgive me then. I guess not one more dime of any taxpayer money will be used to fix or repair. Nor will any more taxpayer money be needed to keep any of the programs going, or expansion. Just because there is a Proposition or federal allocation, does not mean it's free. Sucha common liberal fallacy. I did note that a referendum would be in order; that is quite realistic as citizens assume there is no recourse once money is spent or allocated to be spent. They money is taxpayers'; it is managed by Phoenix. Phoenix monies were used. Whether a panel of three, five, or heck even ten, in my OPINION there is very little accountability. Lisa- Of forgive me then. I guess not one more dime of any taxpayer money will be used to fix or repair. Nor will any more taxpayer money be needed to keep any of the programs going, or expansion. Just because there is a Proposition or federal allocation, does not mean it’s free. Sucha common liberal fallacy.

I did note that a referendum would be in order; that is quite realistic as citizens assume there is no recourse once money is spent or allocated to be spent.

They money is taxpayers’; it is managed by Phoenix. Phoenix monies were used. Whether a panel of three, five, or heck even ten, in my OPINION there is very little accountability.

]]> By: Lisa http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/04/25/her-secret-is-patience-our-costs-are-rising-out-of-the-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-159755 Lisa Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:10:22 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=4114#comment-159755 Gayle, You have no idea what you are talking about. City of Phoenix's budget is balanced for the next two years. Also arts funding comes from a specifed tax that can not be busted when it is convenient to you. Light rail is a sucess, it is always full and it revitalizing downtown. Even if Phoenix wanted to shut it down. We can not, city of Phoenix does not run the light rail, and would also have to reimburse the federal government for the money they invested in the line. Its funny that you complain how Phoenix runs their budget but I have not heard you admonish the Republicans at the State Legislature. If you want to know how the money is spent you can call the city managers office unlike Sheriff Joe we honor FOIA requests. BTW we do have several citizens oversight committees. There was a citizen's panel that chose that art piece. Here is your secret Gayle, you have zero knowledge on this subject matter. Gayle,

You have no idea what you are talking about. City of Phoenix’s budget is balanced for the next two years. Also arts funding comes from a specifed tax that can not be busted when it is convenient to you.
Light rail is a sucess, it is always full and it revitalizing downtown. Even if Phoenix wanted to shut it down. We can not, city of Phoenix does not run the light rail, and would also have to reimburse the federal government for the money they invested in the line.
Its funny that you complain how Phoenix runs their budget but I have not heard you admonish the Republicans at the State Legislature. If you want to know how the money is spent you can call the city managers office unlike Sheriff Joe we honor FOIA requests. BTW we do have several citizens oversight committees. There was a citizen’s panel that chose that art piece.
Here is your secret Gayle, you have zero knowledge on this subject matter.

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