But when you are against even that idea then you just do not want Gay couples to be treated as equals and that is wrong.

by your account, the word ‘marriage’ makes them equals? i’ve been missing it all these years. i just sort of treated them as people. guess that was wrong.

Many people actually say if you have lived through something you understand it less because there is no way for you to have seen, heard, and understand everything that was going on at the time so you have bias and prejudices based on your own experiences that make you less likely to understand the entire picture.
I am not saying that this the case with you at all but the their logic is just as good as your faulty statements.

This is just something we will have to agree to disagree on. You obviously have no problem not treating Gay people as equals to heterosexuals.

If you had at least had the position that you were in favor of civil unions that would have the effect of marriage in the way of all the benefits and just not calling it that I would at least understand your position. But since you do not, we will have to agree to disagree.

You demonstrate how shallow your knowledge of the history of gay rights in this country is young one. Had you said something like that before about 1988 the gay community would have come down on you like stink on sh*t.

Did you learn about the civil rights movement in school Johnny? Because you certainly didn’t live through it.

Jesse Jackson is a joke and was never a part of the Rev. King’s inner circle nor was Jackson taken seriously until he happend to be at the right place and the right time and took advantage of that timing. Jesse was usually a sort of wanna-be civil rights leader.

But then you had to have lived through it to know that sort of thing.

You’re right Johnny, I do have one prejustice – stupid people. Not ignorant people – they’re just folks who haven’t had the opportunity to learn. No, ignorant people such as yourself who thinks they know about something but have never lived through it and weren’t there fist hand to watch it unfold.

You see, I graduated H.S. with the wrong skin color and wrong language set. One of my group in HS eventually became one of the sharpest looking TS’s you’d ever want to see; only the person I went to HS with was a guy at the time (well, sort of)… and that all happened before Dr. King departed from our company.

How would you know about the 60′s in America?

Hmmm which gay activist did this? Are you referring to Sinead O’Connor? Um, not gay, just Irish. Any facts (names, links) to back up those crazy accusations?

I love how being gay is a choice veritas, again thanks for showing your bigotry. This is why they are the same thing, you do not choose to be gay anymore than you choose to be black.

The only reason it is not a good comparison is because the 1960s was a different time in a America and America history. Those were true grassroots movements, much more than anything you will ever see now. However the situation is similar, you have people telling gay people just be happy and leave everyone alone and we will leave you alone.

This is almost exactly what blacks were told, you have your schools, your restaurants, just leave us alone and we will leave you alone. In BOTH situations it is wrong and to say otherwise just proves once again Veritas your bigotry.

Dr King was certainly no “in-your-face” activist. That would have been the other guy (quick run to your books to find out who I mean).

Gays are NOT blacks. Skin color is something your born with on the outside; being gay isn’t.

Look up Elizabeth Wright, Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell for starters. Do some real research outside of your agenda bias and brainwashing.

To compare African-American civil rights to the gay movement is an insult to all African Americans and other peoples of color who struggled for equality and got affirmative action!

you argument sounds very similar to the idea of something that happened in the 1960s called the civil rights movement. People made the same exact argument as you are making now, black leave me alone I leave them alone and there is this small minority within the minority who are getting in everyone’s face. And actually by your rational the civil rights movement was even worse, because African Americans had the doctrine of seperate but equal, gay people do not even have that!

So I guess you liked the idea of segregation… There was nothing wrong with treating African American’s this way right? That in your face guy Dr. Martin Luther King should have just shut up right? After all he was part of a minority within a minority just making things worse for all black people.

This kind of logic is pathetic. We have heard it all before in another form. It was not true and it is not true now.

No more than radical fundamental Muslims want to either?

Most gay folks would rather live their lives in peace and that’s how it should be. That’s why I’ve made the assertion that its a *minority within a minority* that is agitating and putting this in everyone’s face.

Gretchen, how old are you? When I worked in a very “gay” oriented city several decades ago at the dawn of the AID’s outbreak, to suggest as you have that being a homosexual might be a condition of birth would have had you ridden out of the city on a rail fully tarred and feathered.

Well, times have changed and so has the “official line”. I guess now it is a condition of birth?

Discrimination didn’t happen until they came out of the closet and put themselves in everyone’s face. My great aunt had two dear male friends that were quite homosexual back in the 1950′s and guess what? No one bothered them an they didn’t bother anyone else! One of me real estate agents lived with his partner for over 20 years and guess what? No one discriminated against them – why? Because they never slammed their sexuality in anyone’s face.

Gretchen, you have been what we used to call, ‘brainwashed’ by an activist agenda. Grow out of it.

JR, gonna bet you’re under 30 and a graduate of some public institution of government education with the usual required classes in some “studies” multi-disapline program? Just a guess.

Oh, Johnny have you seen what the nice Muslims religious folks are doing to homosexuals in Iraq these days? Or what that nice Islamic shiek in the UAE did to that guy in the desert? Check it out. Oh yeah, the guys in Iraq? Their using Sharia Law.

I’ve known homosexuals now for over half a century – long before the in-your-face side show began. Its a shame few of you reading this grew up in a traditional family where your parents marriage lasted over 60 years and your Mom stayed home – not because she had to – but because she loved her family and wanted to.

I certainly am glad I am not going to live in the world you are creating. Hope you enjoy it as hollow as it will be.

To imply that gay people feel the need to show their sexual orientation just shows your bigotry and bias against gay people.

The same way I know plenty of heterosexual couples who like to have lots of PDA I know just as many homosexual couples who say I dont need to see why broadcast it.

So to stereotype the way you are just shows your ignorance on the issue, shows why the country considers the republican party a party of bigots.

First you make ridiculous comments about Islam and Sharia law and now these… No wonder we got our asses kicked in the 2008 election with great conservatives like you