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	<title>Comments on: Arizona Spending Interests Sit on a Throne of Lies</title>
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		<title>By: James Davidson</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/03/07/arizona-spending-interests-sit-on-a-throne-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-143165</link>
		<dc:creator>James Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia:

Draw your own conclusions:  The top marginal rate of federal income taxation is 36%.  At that rate, a medicare tax of 2.9% also kicks in. Add to that five percent for the top marginal rate for Arizona state income taxes. making a total marginal rate of 43.9% marginal. When those rates are reached, a person&#039;s itemized deductions begin to reduce.  In addition, the alternative minimum tax kicks in, which has the effect of diluting the value of itemized deductions even further. If President Obama gets his way, the cap on social security tax will be eliminated, increasing the top marginal rate another 12.9%.  That would make a top marginal tax rate of 56.8%. So that at the highest marginal rates, the federal and state governments will together take 57 cents of each dollar you make, leaving you with only 43 cents.  If and when that happens, I personally will stop working, and take more time off.  

Besides income and payroll taxes, there are many others:  If you own a home, you pay property tax, regardless of how much income tax you have paid. It has gone up emormously recently. You also pay a tax on your phone bill.  You also pay 8.2% sales tax in most Arizona cities.  (It was four percent when I was a youngster.)  You also pay a tax on each gallon of fuel that you buy. You pay taxes on your power bill and water bills.  What is not taxed?  Only food and medicine. 

You quickly can see that taxes are ridiculously high.  What do we have to show for our money?  The education system is a miserable failure.  Child Protective Services doesn&#039;t seem to work very well.  The border is not secure.  The federal government is dysfunctional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia:</p>
<p>Draw your own conclusions:  The top marginal rate of federal income taxation is 36%.  At that rate, a medicare tax of 2.9% also kicks in. Add to that five percent for the top marginal rate for Arizona state income taxes. making a total marginal rate of 43.9% marginal. When those rates are reached, a person&#8217;s itemized deductions begin to reduce.  In addition, the alternative minimum tax kicks in, which has the effect of diluting the value of itemized deductions even further. If President Obama gets his way, the cap on social security tax will be eliminated, increasing the top marginal rate another 12.9%.  That would make a top marginal tax rate of 56.8%. So that at the highest marginal rates, the federal and state governments will together take 57 cents of each dollar you make, leaving you with only 43 cents.  If and when that happens, I personally will stop working, and take more time off.  </p>
<p>Besides income and payroll taxes, there are many others:  If you own a home, you pay property tax, regardless of how much income tax you have paid. It has gone up emormously recently. You also pay a tax on your phone bill.  You also pay 8.2% sales tax in most Arizona cities.  (It was four percent when I was a youngster.)  You also pay a tax on each gallon of fuel that you buy. You pay taxes on your power bill and water bills.  What is not taxed?  Only food and medicine. </p>
<p>You quickly can see that taxes are ridiculously high.  What do we have to show for our money?  The education system is a miserable failure.  Child Protective Services doesn&#8217;t seem to work very well.  The border is not secure.  The federal government is dysfunctional.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing. Agree with everything thats been said on opposing tax increases. I just tire of these interest groups that play funny with the facts. This press release points to another think tank&#039;s numbers which I am sure this think tank probably shares the same donors or at the very least the same ideology. They used estimates...no, at best &quot;guestimates&quot; on how much people pay in taxes. I know where every dime of money I have goes and how it comes in. Including property tax, sales tax, school tax, capital gains tax etc etc, I spend at max 18% of my income on taxes. So don&#039;t tell me that half my taxes go to the government, cause it doesn&#039;t and most people don&#039;t end up paying 50%. The only bozos who do are the same ones who use H&amp;R block or some other schister to do their taxes. Most taxes are easy to avoid as the gov&#039;t has built a thousand + 1 loopholes into them. If you are paying 50% on your income to taxes, that is your own damn fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing. Agree with everything thats been said on opposing tax increases. I just tire of these interest groups that play funny with the facts. This press release points to another think tank&#8217;s numbers which I am sure this think tank probably shares the same donors or at the very least the same ideology. They used estimates&#8230;no, at best &#8220;guestimates&#8221; on how much people pay in taxes. I know where every dime of money I have goes and how it comes in. Including property tax, sales tax, school tax, capital gains tax etc etc, I spend at max 18% of my income on taxes. So don&#8217;t tell me that half my taxes go to the government, cause it doesn&#8217;t and most people don&#8217;t end up paying 50%. The only bozos who do are the same ones who use H&amp;R block or some other schister to do their taxes. Most taxes are easy to avoid as the gov&#8217;t has built a thousand + 1 loopholes into them. If you are paying 50% on your income to taxes, that is your own damn fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will Republicans learn? We elect them to actual govern and make difficult choices. Hell, I could govern by raising taxes and making no decisions as to where to cut spending. If I wanted Democrat-lite, I&#039;d vote Democrat. 

Republicans are Republicans because they don&#039;t raise taxes! That&#039;s the first step towards limiting the power of government. The power to tax is the power to take from me to give to the politically connected. 


We need to let Gov. Brewer know that we want her not to raise our taxes! Find other solutions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will Republicans learn? We elect them to actual govern and make difficult choices. Hell, I could govern by raising taxes and making no decisions as to where to cut spending. If I wanted Democrat-lite, I&#8217;d vote Democrat. </p>
<p>Republicans are Republicans because they don&#8217;t raise taxes! That&#8217;s the first step towards limiting the power of government. The power to tax is the power to take from me to give to the politically connected. </p>
<p>We need to let Gov. Brewer know that we want her not to raise our taxes! Find other solutions!</p>
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		<title>By: James Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Brewer is simply invoking Rules 1, 2, and 3 of Politics:

Rule 1:  I said it but I didn&#039;t really mean it.

Rule 2:  That was then and this is now.

Rule 3: (John McCain the author, which applies only to Republicans):  When I get into office I will abandon principle to get the media to like me, even though they will kick me under the bus when a real liberal runs against me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Brewer is simply invoking Rules 1, 2, and 3 of Politics:</p>
<p>Rule 1:  I said it but I didn&#8217;t really mean it.</p>
<p>Rule 2:  That was then and this is now.</p>
<p>Rule 3: (John McCain the author, which applies only to Republicans):  When I get into office I will abandon principle to get the media to like me, even though they will kick me under the bus when a real liberal runs against me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Buggeln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Buggeln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While in strong agreement with all the GOP principles stressed by the above commentators,
I&#039;d like to point out that the only time we seem to rally around them is when we&#039;re out of power!

This is the rhetoric which we receive during September - November election run-ups but. unfortunately, it always seems to be replaced by &quot;We&#039;re occupants of one big tent&quot; and we &quot;must reach out&quot; in the post election Januaries. It seems that Gov. Brewer is continuing the tradition.

Republicans are strong and principled when out of effective power, but sadly, often do not know how to rule.

Methinks that this behaviour betrays a fundamental lack of confidence in the above stated principles, because they always seem to be set aside at the time when actual policy is being created and enforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While in strong agreement with all the GOP principles stressed by the above commentators,<br />
I&#8217;d like to point out that the only time we seem to rally around them is when we&#8217;re out of power!</p>
<p>This is the rhetoric which we receive during September &#8211; November election run-ups but. unfortunately, it always seems to be replaced by &#8220;We&#8217;re occupants of one big tent&#8221; and we &#8220;must reach out&#8221; in the post election Januaries. It seems that Gov. Brewer is continuing the tradition.</p>
<p>Republicans are strong and principled when out of effective power, but sadly, often do not know how to rule.</p>
<p>Methinks that this behaviour betrays a fundamental lack of confidence in the above stated principles, because they always seem to be set aside at the time when actual policy is being created and enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: Time For a Change</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time For a Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed to hear commentators at all points of the political spectrum talk about a tax increase as a necessity, indicate that those who vote for one are showing real courage and argue that anyone who opposes a tax increase is blinded by ideology. 

Opposing a tax cut is not ideological, it demonstrates a basic knowledge of economics. Keynesians, classical economists and supply siders all agree that a tax increase in a recession is bad policy (see Hoover, Herbert). Even PAUL KRUGMAN has acknowledged a tax cut is good policy, not a tax increase. 

Voting to jack up taxes of a few to continue ruinous spending beloved by many is not courageous; it is cowardly and unprincipled.

Tax increases are not a necessity, spending cuts are. If you want to bring the economy back, put more scarce resources into the hands of people with competitive incentives to use them efficiently, as opposed to the folks running the post office and the DMV, who have no competitive incentives.

Brewer is afraid of the Republic and the Star and is letting them run the state. If she breaks her oath on taxes, she should be turned out of office in the primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed to hear commentators at all points of the political spectrum talk about a tax increase as a necessity, indicate that those who vote for one are showing real courage and argue that anyone who opposes a tax increase is blinded by ideology. </p>
<p>Opposing a tax cut is not ideological, it demonstrates a basic knowledge of economics. Keynesians, classical economists and supply siders all agree that a tax increase in a recession is bad policy (see Hoover, Herbert). Even PAUL KRUGMAN has acknowledged a tax cut is good policy, not a tax increase. </p>
<p>Voting to jack up taxes of a few to continue ruinous spending beloved by many is not courageous; it is cowardly and unprincipled.</p>
<p>Tax increases are not a necessity, spending cuts are. If you want to bring the economy back, put more scarce resources into the hands of people with competitive incentives to use them efficiently, as opposed to the folks running the post office and the DMV, who have no competitive incentives.</p>
<p>Brewer is afraid of the Republic and the Star and is letting them run the state. If she breaks her oath on taxes, she should be turned out of office in the primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is one issue upon which republicans can and should be united it is the question of taxation. We historically have been the party of lower taxes. This is shaping up to be a fundamental battle for republicans in our state. Given the excesses of many of our republican leaders in dc, the last thing we need to be doing in AZ is departing from our core beliefs of lower taxes and limited government. Encourage those members of the legislature who have had the courage to stand up for taxpayers, they are going to fighting a tough but necessary battle for not only our party, but the very people who elected them. Its easy to hit a democrat for supporting taxes, its a whole othee story to call out a friend who is doing it. They should be commended and supported in this battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is one issue upon which republicans can and should be united it is the question of taxation. We historically have been the party of lower taxes. This is shaping up to be a fundamental battle for republicans in our state. Given the excesses of many of our republican leaders in dc, the last thing we need to be doing in AZ is departing from our core beliefs of lower taxes and limited government. Encourage those members of the legislature who have had the courage to stand up for taxpayers, they are going to fighting a tough but necessary battle for not only our party, but the very people who elected them. Its easy to hit a democrat for supporting taxes, its a whole othee story to call out a friend who is doing it. They should be commended and supported in this battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop the tax increase! 
But also make every effort to increase efficiency with what is left.  Cutting $s from agency budgets is a completely different topic from process efficiency and effective govt agencies. Use the 0 based budget concept with process improvement and the agencies will accomplish more with reduced resources. Once you get past the initial cuts, process improvement and higher level of agency accountability is the only way to get to the next level and keep costs down while providing the essential service that govt is obligated to provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop the tax increase!<br />
But also make every effort to increase efficiency with what is left.  Cutting $s from agency budgets is a completely different topic from process efficiency and effective govt agencies. Use the 0 based budget concept with process improvement and the agencies will accomplish more with reduced resources. Once you get past the initial cuts, process improvement and higher level of agency accountability is the only way to get to the next level and keep costs down while providing the essential service that govt is obligated to provide.</p>
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