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	<title>Comments on: MCRC Resolution #5 &#8211; Plyler v. Doe</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Altmann</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/01/08/mcrc-resolution-5-plyler-v-doe/comment-page-1/#comment-119810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Altmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a good resolution to adopt - perhaps well intentioned by those sensitive to the resulting costs of illegal immigration - but it sends a message of mean spiritedness towards children.

There is no one study in Arizona that points to the costs alleged by the resolution.  It asks us to vote on a gut feeling without facts.

Since when do we as a Republican Party go after kids?  What if the child is born in the U.S.?  By our laws, that child is a U.S. Citizen.

What if the parents, regardless of status, own property and pay taxes for the property - thus they are paying school district taxes?

What if the parents are renting from a legitimate apartment firm or landlord who is collecting rental taxes - arguably those taxes - paid by the renter - are going into the coffers that pay for education costs.

From a practical standpoint, let&#039;s review.  Most of these kids are most likely in lower socio-economic settings.  It&#039;s 10 AM - would you rather have a bunch of 11 year olds wander the streets and hook up with gangs or criminal elements, or have them in a school learning good values and being productive with their lives?  The &quot;cost&quot; to society is far greater if the kid violates the law - police investigation, incarceration and cost to the victim.

I could cost justify this by saying the very few per capita dollars it takes to cover that kid&#039;s education is &quot;insurance&quot; - he is being pre-occupied with school and not getting into trouble.

I am a precinct committeeman and I will not be supporting this resolution.  It sends the wrong message to the masses who are Republicans and Independents who we want to vote Republican.

I would have much rathered seen some more resolutions dealing with issues confronting the Legislature and incoming Governor-Apparent Brewer to give them support and direction for a multi-billion dollar deficit ahead.

I would rather we are &quot;asking&quot; for something more practical and probable - this resolution goes nowhere because it is a Federal issue and highly unlikely a Democratic Congress and Democratic President will take up this baton on this resolution.

We, as a Republican Party, have great opportunity in Arizona to have some say on education of kids in general and to do something to continue to improve education for our future - our kids.  It also provides a marketing edge over other states if we show we have a solid education system - industry that is looking to relocate is not looking for clusters of &quot;dumb and dumber&quot; - but states that can show they have a good education base to support workforce needs.

Again, the resolution maker may be well-intentioned here, but the damage to the Republican Party is far greater in the message it sends to others.  Every time something like this we hand the Democrats more votes and more issues.

Finally, for those who feel so strongly about this - you go stand at the doors of school houses and turn these kids away.  And this is about kids (K-12), not adults.  The example we set is the example that molds these children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a good resolution to adopt &#8211; perhaps well intentioned by those sensitive to the resulting costs of illegal immigration &#8211; but it sends a message of mean spiritedness towards children.</p>
<p>There is no one study in Arizona that points to the costs alleged by the resolution.  It asks us to vote on a gut feeling without facts.</p>
<p>Since when do we as a Republican Party go after kids?  What if the child is born in the U.S.?  By our laws, that child is a U.S. Citizen.</p>
<p>What if the parents, regardless of status, own property and pay taxes for the property &#8211; thus they are paying school district taxes?</p>
<p>What if the parents are renting from a legitimate apartment firm or landlord who is collecting rental taxes &#8211; arguably those taxes &#8211; paid by the renter &#8211; are going into the coffers that pay for education costs.</p>
<p>From a practical standpoint, let&#8217;s review.  Most of these kids are most likely in lower socio-economic settings.  It&#8217;s 10 AM &#8211; would you rather have a bunch of 11 year olds wander the streets and hook up with gangs or criminal elements, or have them in a school learning good values and being productive with their lives?  The &#8220;cost&#8221; to society is far greater if the kid violates the law &#8211; police investigation, incarceration and cost to the victim.</p>
<p>I could cost justify this by saying the very few per capita dollars it takes to cover that kid&#8217;s education is &#8220;insurance&#8221; &#8211; he is being pre-occupied with school and not getting into trouble.</p>
<p>I am a precinct committeeman and I will not be supporting this resolution.  It sends the wrong message to the masses who are Republicans and Independents who we want to vote Republican.</p>
<p>I would have much rathered seen some more resolutions dealing with issues confronting the Legislature and incoming Governor-Apparent Brewer to give them support and direction for a multi-billion dollar deficit ahead.</p>
<p>I would rather we are &#8220;asking&#8221; for something more practical and probable &#8211; this resolution goes nowhere because it is a Federal issue and highly unlikely a Democratic Congress and Democratic President will take up this baton on this resolution.</p>
<p>We, as a Republican Party, have great opportunity in Arizona to have some say on education of kids in general and to do something to continue to improve education for our future &#8211; our kids.  It also provides a marketing edge over other states if we show we have a solid education system &#8211; industry that is looking to relocate is not looking for clusters of &#8220;dumb and dumber&#8221; &#8211; but states that can show they have a good education base to support workforce needs.</p>
<p>Again, the resolution maker may be well-intentioned here, but the damage to the Republican Party is far greater in the message it sends to others.  Every time something like this we hand the Democrats more votes and more issues.</p>
<p>Finally, for those who feel so strongly about this &#8211; you go stand at the doors of school houses and turn these kids away.  And this is about kids (K-12), not adults.  The example we set is the example that molds these children.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2009/01/08/mcrc-resolution-5-plyler-v-doe/comment-page-1/#comment-119341</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the second point, how is a child&#039;s presence in the United States, whether the child of illegal immigrants or not, a crime?  There is no mens rea, and the criminal act itself isn&#039;t the child&#039;s doing.  Further, why should any sort of criminal status abrogate the equal protection clause?  (To set up a straw man, I&#039;m pretty sure that any regime denying public education to the children of other felons, such as violent criminals or sex offenders, would be invalid)

I think that the case was properly within the Court&#039;s jurisdiction.  The Court had previously exercised jurisdiction over similar cases (such as Palmer v. Thompson, concerning a city&#039;s closing of public swimming facilities rather than desegregating).  The resolution here states: &quot;Congress must rectify by clarifying that the Equal Protection Clause.&quot;  Congress is not in the position of interpreting the Constitution - that is the role of the Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the second point, how is a child&#8217;s presence in the United States, whether the child of illegal immigrants or not, a crime?  There is no mens rea, and the criminal act itself isn&#8217;t the child&#8217;s doing.  Further, why should any sort of criminal status abrogate the equal protection clause?  (To set up a straw man, I&#8217;m pretty sure that any regime denying public education to the children of other felons, such as violent criminals or sex offenders, would be invalid)</p>
<p>I think that the case was properly within the Court&#8217;s jurisdiction.  The Court had previously exercised jurisdiction over similar cases (such as Palmer v. Thompson, concerning a city&#8217;s closing of public swimming facilities rather than desegregating).  The resolution here states: &#8220;Congress must rectify by clarifying that the Equal Protection Clause.&#8221;  Congress is not in the position of interpreting the Constitution &#8211; that is the role of the Supreme Court.</p>
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