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		<title>By: КиноКритик</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-2/#comment-191902</link>
		<dc:creator>КиноКритик</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Организация СтройНормоТруд - предоставление качественных услуг: Нормативные наблюдения.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Организация СтройНормоТруд &#8211; предоставление качественных услуг: Нормативные наблюдения.</p>
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		<title>By: ФильмОман</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-2/#comment-191704</link>
		<dc:creator>ФильмОман</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Вы всегда публикуете только лучшую информацию. У вас просто супер блог. Спасибо</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Вы всегда публикуете только лучшую информацию. У вас просто супер блог. Спасибо</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-61970</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its clear that the AZ political scene is crumbling and has turned into a complete joke.
When we are facing a very serious election within 85 days &amp; the republican party, candidates and consultants cant get their stuff together, its no wonder AZ is going purple...or even blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its clear that the AZ political scene is crumbling and has turned into a complete joke.<br />
When we are facing a very serious election within 85 days &amp; the republican party, candidates and consultants cant get their stuff together, its no wonder AZ is going purple&#8230;or even blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60234</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry John - but your arguments are no more credible than anyone else&#039;s here.  It really looks like you&#039;re stretching for reasons to believe Sproul&#039;s explanation of the allegations.

You say that her filing two days after the alleged incident &quot;could indicate&quot; that it was the cause of her filing.  Why?  There are some very plausible alternatives.  What if her divorce attorney recognized that inventing a recent incident &quot;could indicate&quot; the same thing, and make her more likely to receive concessions in potential divorce proceedings.

On why Russell and LuAnne remain married, you assuming the worst of both and cast that as the most credible explanation.  She&#039;s scared of Russell divorcing her like DeSimone?  She&#039;s the one who originally filed for divorce - I doubt she could be threatened by it.  She&#039;s in it for the money?  Aside from being a terrible slander - I&#039;ve never heard anything to suggest she sought money - Russell&#039;s salary as a legislator is $24,000 annually.  There are people who make more than that begging for pocket change.

You &quot;think her credibility was greater&quot; in the 28 year old divorce filing than in her more recent denials.  Why?  There doesn&#039;t seem to be a penalty for making false statements in divorce proceedings, and I think it&#039;s a very bad practice to assume that even lawyers who face penalties for encouraging/making false statements, won&#039;t make false statements.  We need to be realistic and realize that allegations are very frequently exaggerated in these sort of cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry John &#8211; but your arguments are no more credible than anyone else&#8217;s here.  It really looks like you&#8217;re stretching for reasons to believe Sproul&#8217;s explanation of the allegations.</p>
<p>You say that her filing two days after the alleged incident &#8220;could indicate&#8221; that it was the cause of her filing.  Why?  There are some very plausible alternatives.  What if her divorce attorney recognized that inventing a recent incident &#8220;could indicate&#8221; the same thing, and make her more likely to receive concessions in potential divorce proceedings.</p>
<p>On why Russell and LuAnne remain married, you assuming the worst of both and cast that as the most credible explanation.  She&#8217;s scared of Russell divorcing her like DeSimone?  She&#8217;s the one who originally filed for divorce &#8211; I doubt she could be threatened by it.  She&#8217;s in it for the money?  Aside from being a terrible slander &#8211; I&#8217;ve never heard anything to suggest she sought money &#8211; Russell&#8217;s salary as a legislator is $24,000 annually.  There are people who make more than that begging for pocket change.</p>
<p>You &#8220;think her credibility was greater&#8221; in the 28 year old divorce filing than in her more recent denials.  Why?  There doesn&#8217;t seem to be a penalty for making false statements in divorce proceedings, and I think it&#8217;s a very bad practice to assume that even lawyers who face penalties for encouraging/making false statements, won&#8217;t make false statements.  We need to be realistic and realize that allegations are very frequently exaggerated in these sort of cases.</p>
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		<title>By: David John</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60209</link>
		<dc:creator>David John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

All I said is Flake has nothing to do with this mailer.  I am sure he is helping Gibbons in some ways, but I really doubt they are have nightly conference calls.  

As for the veracity of Mrs. Pearce present statements, everyone must weigh them for themselves.  In my profession, I have worked with a lot of victims of domestic and a good number of them recant their claims.

We all should weigh the evidence for ourselves.  I do it like this: This was a sworn statement, signed in front of a notary, on a legal document being filed in a court of law.  In the affidavit, Mrs. Pearce claims that Russell Pearce choked her and threw her to the ground TWO DAYS EARLIER and gave a specific date.  The fact she was filing for divorce two days after this incident could indicate that this event did happen and was the CAUSE of her filing for divorce.

Arguments on why she would now recant: They did not get divorced.  Her husband&#039;s election depends on her now saying it is not true.  There are financial incentives too, if she wants to continue on the State Health insurance and further boost Russell&#039;s pension, etc.  Also, she does not want to cause Russell&#039;s loss.  Then maybe he would divorce her, just like DeSimone is now divorcing his wife.

Come on everyone, of course she now denies it!  

I think her credibility was greater the day she signed the sworn affidavit.  Denials today mean little.  

If she were to sign a sworn affidavit admitting her perjury and stating that she intentionally lied in an affidavit to hurt her husband, that would be one thing.  But just saying Russell never hit her doesn&#039;t fly with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>All I said is Flake has nothing to do with this mailer.  I am sure he is helping Gibbons in some ways, but I really doubt they are have nightly conference calls.  </p>
<p>As for the veracity of Mrs. Pearce present statements, everyone must weigh them for themselves.  In my profession, I have worked with a lot of victims of domestic and a good number of them recant their claims.</p>
<p>We all should weigh the evidence for ourselves.  I do it like this: This was a sworn statement, signed in front of a notary, on a legal document being filed in a court of law.  In the affidavit, Mrs. Pearce claims that Russell Pearce choked her and threw her to the ground TWO DAYS EARLIER and gave a specific date.  The fact she was filing for divorce two days after this incident could indicate that this event did happen and was the CAUSE of her filing for divorce.</p>
<p>Arguments on why she would now recant: They did not get divorced.  Her husband&#8217;s election depends on her now saying it is not true.  There are financial incentives too, if she wants to continue on the State Health insurance and further boost Russell&#8217;s pension, etc.  Also, she does not want to cause Russell&#8217;s loss.  Then maybe he would divorce her, just like DeSimone is now divorcing his wife.</p>
<p>Come on everyone, of course she now denies it!  </p>
<p>I think her credibility was greater the day she signed the sworn affidavit.  Denials today mean little.  </p>
<p>If she were to sign a sworn affidavit admitting her perjury and stating that she intentionally lied in an affidavit to hurt her husband, that would be one thing.  But just saying Russell never hit her doesn&#8217;t fly with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60066</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re likely not a fool David John, so that suggests that you&#039;re dishonest.  We&#039;re seeing the results of Flake&#039;s opposition research that was done in anticipation of Pearce&#039;s challenge.  Gibbons is his brother-in-law, yet you would have us imagine that Flake has nothing to do with the race?  They are all related politically over there, even using the same mailhouses.  Yes, it IS Flake and his cronies and we&#039;re not the least bit fooled by your post.

You should also remember that back when it was first leaked to the press, Pearce&#039;s wife denied it publicly.  Sproul ignored the wife&#039;s denial and approved the piece anyway, knowing not only that is was ugly and despicable, but most likely a lie.  What a scumbag that guy is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re likely not a fool David John, so that suggests that you&#8217;re dishonest.  We&#8217;re seeing the results of Flake&#8217;s opposition research that was done in anticipation of Pearce&#8217;s challenge.  Gibbons is his brother-in-law, yet you would have us imagine that Flake has nothing to do with the race?  They are all related politically over there, even using the same mailhouses.  Yes, it IS Flake and his cronies and we&#8217;re not the least bit fooled by your post.</p>
<p>You should also remember that back when it was first leaked to the press, Pearce&#8217;s wife denied it publicly.  Sproul ignored the wife&#8217;s denial and approved the piece anyway, knowing not only that is was ugly and despicable, but most likely a lie.  What a scumbag that guy is.</p>
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		<title>By: David John</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60030</link>
		<dc:creator>David John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how some allies of Pearce can condone this accusation, made under oath by Russell&#039;s wife so easily just because they agree with him politically.  Unbelievable!!

And then to try to tie in Jeff Flake is ridiculous.  This is an independent expenditure made by a group of people who are obviously tired of Russell Pearce.  Flake had nothing to do with it.  Stop the conspiracy theories.  

Gibbons had nothing to do with it either!  It is an independent expenditure.  Gibbons would have no knowledge or say in what was done.  But even though Gibbons has no control over its content, Pearce still gets matching funds from the citizens of Arizona.  That seems fair!!!!  Clean Elections is a joke.  I still can&#039;t believe Pearce is taking public money for his campaign!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how some allies of Pearce can condone this accusation, made under oath by Russell&#8217;s wife so easily just because they agree with him politically.  Unbelievable!!</p>
<p>And then to try to tie in Jeff Flake is ridiculous.  This is an independent expenditure made by a group of people who are obviously tired of Russell Pearce.  Flake had nothing to do with it.  Stop the conspiracy theories.  </p>
<p>Gibbons had nothing to do with it either!  It is an independent expenditure.  Gibbons would have no knowledge or say in what was done.  But even though Gibbons has no control over its content, Pearce still gets matching funds from the citizens of Arizona.  That seems fair!!!!  Clean Elections is a joke.  I still can&#8217;t believe Pearce is taking public money for his campaign!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: History Buff</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60016</link>
		<dc:creator>History Buff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two words for Russell:  Eliot Spitzer.</description>
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		<title>By: EastValGal</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60014</link>
		<dc:creator>EastValGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this really is about is two LDS clans fighting for political power and using non-Mormons so they won&#039;t have to get their hands dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this really is about is two LDS clans fighting for political power and using non-Mormons so they won&#8217;t have to get their hands dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: Janelle</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-60004</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the mean and angry conservatives have not been the ones making mean, vicious personal attacks on their opponents.  It has been those moderates who want a kinder and gentler community - right after they nuke anyone who disgrees with them.  LuAnne says that someone else filed that affidavit and that it always was and still is false.  So she is a liar too in order to get someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the mean and angry conservatives have not been the ones making mean, vicious personal attacks on their opponents.  It has been those moderates who want a kinder and gentler community &#8211; right after they nuke anyone who disgrees with them.  LuAnne says that someone else filed that affidavit and that it always was and still is false.  So she is a liar too in order to get someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-59994</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;war&quot; only has one obvious outcome. Republicans lose. Democrats win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;war&#8221; only has one obvious outcome. Republicans lose. Democrats win.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell Pearce is Shameful!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-59985</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about the rightous crap John Doe and all the rest of you.  Congressman Jeff Flake and his minions knew what they were starting when they went down this road.  Its gonna be ugly and its gonna last a very long time.  By the time its all done, no one will be innocent and everyone will be guilty of something.  The post is right, its &quot;WAR!&quot; and I&#039;m beyond caring about what the price will be.  Scumbags like Flake and his crowd will pay the price, sooner or later.  Life is long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about the rightous crap John Doe and all the rest of you.  Congressman Jeff Flake and his minions knew what they were starting when they went down this road.  Its gonna be ugly and its gonna last a very long time.  By the time its all done, no one will be innocent and everyone will be guilty of something.  The post is right, its &#8220;WAR!&#8221; and I&#8217;m beyond caring about what the price will be.  Scumbags like Flake and his crowd will pay the price, sooner or later.  Life is long.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-59941</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,

So it is okay to smear Natha Sproul, but heaven forbid a mailer pointing out a fact is published in a court record?  The hypocrosy is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>So it is okay to smear Natha Sproul, but heaven forbid a mailer pointing out a fact is published in a court record?  The hypocrosy is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/08/06/war/comment-page-1/#comment-59920</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Sproul the same guy who was the Executive Director of the Christian Coalition and worked under Tom Grabinski who is now serving time in prison for defrauding thousands of investors in the Baptist Foundation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Sproul the same guy who was the Executive Director of the Christian Coalition and worked under Tom Grabinski who is now serving time in prison for defrauding thousands of investors in the Baptist Foundation?</p>
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