Comments on: Carl Seel comes through

By: Jack

Jack — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:13:33 +0000

I need some education here. What position on illegal immigration gets the “good housekeeping seal” of approval? Is a candidate required to pledge to round up and deport every single illegal alien that is living in Arizona? Is there any distinction to be made at all between those that come here illegally to do more illegal things, and those who come here, and attempt to assimilate and succeed in a legal way? If we treat all such individuals as deportable scum, what incentive do any of them have to behave in a manner that comports with the rules of civil society? And how should these efforts to rid our community of illegals be balanced against the rights of latino citizens of this country who will be asked to show their identity card, their social security card, or will be pulled over when they pass through a “sweep zone”. Or what about businesses who must confront the dichotomy of employer sanctions if they hire illegal aliens, versus federal anti-discrimination laws, in which they cannot discriminate in hiring based on race, gender or creed? Can’t some flexibility or path be sought that addresses these dualities without attracting the scorn of “plank and platform” R’s?

I want our immigration laws enforced, our border sealed from illegal crossings, and criminals incarcerated and deported. But in the context of the political races, how far must a candidate pledge to go in order to avoid being tarred by the “open borders” brush?

I understand that political discourse is not subtle. But lawmaking is, and I want lawmakers who believe strongly in what they believe, but have the capacity to execute on their beliefs and are not seeking election only to give themselves a stage to aggrandize their own political profile.

By: Bob in DV

Bob in DV — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:18:06 +0000

John Q,

I think that instead of being called “so called Republicans who are active sympathizers for the illegal aliens”, you should spread the word that we are, indeed, something else. You’re way off base.

Next time, try calling us “Republicans who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid and laugh at those who do.”

By: John Q

John Q — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:50:03 +0000

Boy, I hope that some of you so called Republicans who are active sympathizers for the illegal aliens have some energy left after the Primary to at least give tacit support for our Republican candidates. However, history says that the liberals in the Party like Jeffy, Horst, Betsy, Jane, etc. vote democrat in the general if they do not have the votes to win the Primary. It is a recurring theme every two years.

By: Elmer Fudd

Elmer Fudd — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:31:48 +0000

An accusation refuted by the wife now that was first made by her in a legal document signed under oath. One of her statements is a lie. The question is which one.

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:53:54 +0000

Tony Bouie, endorsed by a man who hot tubs with naked teens and defends child predators. And unlike an accusation that is refuted by the wife herself, Horst’s buddy is in prison.

Do you guys really want to play this game? Because I can already see what the mailers and TV commercials would look like!

By: O.J. Simpson

O.J. Simpson — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:49:37 +0000

Carl Seel, endorsed by a wife beater. He has my vote

By: Bob in DV

Bob in DV — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:27:14 +0000

Tom,

What a great point you bring up.

If, the Seel supporters are truly followers of a strict code of “One Way Only….My Way or the Highway” conservatism, then they have no choice to revoke their endorsement of Crump. Immediately.

1 + 1 = 2

Crump + LeVecke $$$ = A Pro-Illegal Crump!!!

2 + 2 = 4

Crump + LeVecke $$$ = An Open Border Crump!!

4 + 4 = 8

Crump + LeVecke $$$ = An Amnesty Crump !!!

8 + 8 = 16

Crump + LeVecke $$$ = Bouie + LeVecke $$$

The math does work.

By: Perpetual Slow Motion

Perpetual Slow Motion — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:21:41 +0000

It’s an IE issue. Seel did the same thing in his Clean Elections statement in the guide we all just got in the mail. You just cannot spend money to influence the outcome of an election unless you report it as such. Nice guys sometimes break the law. David Smith was one of them and look what CCEC did to him after he won.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:23:52 +0000

Bob,

Come on, arent’ you being a little tough on Sam, he took the donations for OTHER reasons.

So I guess we can expect Seel to put a hit on Crump now?

By: Bob in DV

Bob in DV — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:41:49 +0000

HOUSTON! We have a problem.

I just peeked at the CCEC’s record of contributors to Sam Crump’s 2008 Campaign.

Looks like Bouie has some company in taking handouts from the LeVeckes & McCain supporters.

Crump is NOT the conservative he pretends to be, since he turned in the names of these donors himself. Sam is the treasurer and campaign director of his own campaign, so there is no one else to blame a typo on.

January 3, 2008:

$100.00 from Carl LeVecke, COO LeVecke & Co
$200.00 from Jason LeVecke, CEO LeVecke & Co

January 4, 2008:

$100.00 from Margaret LeVecke, Marketing Director LeVecke & Co

November 20, 2007

$390.00 from Mark Miller, VP Hensley Distribuing – Cindy McCain’s family Co.

November 11, 2007

$390.00 from Stan Barnes, President Copper State Consulting – Behind Payloans 400%APR and FOR Proposition 200.

November 9, 2007

$390.00 from Doug Yonko, VP Hensley Distributing – Cindy McCain’s family Co.

By: nightcrawler

nightcrawler — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:05:05 +0000

Geez Horst,

You must really dislike Seel. You have very aggresive in this matter. Not like you. What did he do to you ?

By: Howard Levine

Howard Levine — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:59:13 +0000

I just talked to Sam Crump. He told me that while he is not endorsing Carl Seel, his is voting for him. He also said that Tony Bouie would not be a reliable conservative vote in the legislature.

By: Horst Kraus

Horst Kraus — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:19:26 +0000

Kerrie,
I am on my way to the Clean Election Office. I will get me a copy of the rules. Sam has assured me now for the second time he is running just by himself and he has not given permission to Seel for Seel to link himself to Sam Crump.
I will study the rules and if I need to, we will seek an official opinion on the matter, even if we have to go to court.

By: Kerrie R.

Kerrie R. — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:01:59 +0000

Or maybe Tim, you don’t realize. The mailer I got about Bouie and Crump said it was paid for by 3 different organizations. The mailer I got from Seel was paid for by Seel. It told the voters to cast TWO votes — for Seel and Crump. Has anyone looked to see if Seel claims his mailer was an IE for Crump — not allowed anyway.

By: John

John — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:50:02 +0000

Yep – that John Shadegg, he’s a real liberal to endorse Tony Bouie. Or maybe he looked at the choices and realized that Bouie who was not only an All-American Football Player at the University of Arizona, but also has a Masters from UA and an MBA from ASU was a better choice than a carpetbagging wanna-be politician from California who can’t even hold a job long enough to pay his mortgage.