Comments on: Shadegg to retire http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/ Arizona Politics, News, Commentary and Information with a Blatantly Conservative Worldview Presented by an Alliance of Writers, Activists, Consultants and Government Insiders. Fri, 25 May 2012 07:09:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: boredinaz http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24796 boredinaz Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:28:56 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24796 The money doesn't mean all that much when you have to spend a good deal of it just telling people who you are (see Pederson, J.). Lord is going to have to spend quite a bit of that money just establishing himself to the public as opposed to some of the GOP who are already holding office and have an electoral base from which to start their campaigns. Waring, Weiers, and Martin are far better known to the general public than Lord simply because of the offices they currently hold. They are known quantities in a GOP district. Sorry kral, but absent scandal, CD3 will stay red. You're better off spending your money on Harry, Gabby or Ann. The money doesn’t mean all that much when you have to spend a good deal of it just telling people who you are (see Pederson, J.). Lord is going to have to spend quite a bit of that money just establishing himself to the public as opposed to some of the GOP who are already holding office and have an electoral base from which to start their campaigns. Waring, Weiers, and Martin are far better known to the general public than Lord simply because of the offices they currently hold. They are known quantities in a GOP district. Sorry kral, but absent scandal, CD3 will stay red. You’re better off spending your money on Harry, Gabby or Ann.

]]> By: Ann http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24678 Ann Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:41:06 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24678 Sorry Kral....whoever Shadegg endorses, they are gold. Given the potential of a very liberal president, the R's are going to come out in numbers and the more centrist Obama/Hillary voters may very well back up their vote with a conservative congress. Example: Arizona '06 ballot. With the exception of the marriage amendment which was too broadly written and the animal rights bill (who votes against cute little piglets...OK, me), the conservative issues passed or the liberal issues were defeated. Yet, we elected Janet. I know the clean elections system gives the incumbent a free pass to the next term, but it still shows the willingness of voters to protect their vote with a built in checks and balance. Sorry Kral….whoever Shadegg endorses, they are gold. Given the potential of a very liberal president, the R’s are going to come out in numbers and the more centrist Obama/Hillary voters may very well back up their vote with a conservative congress.

Example: Arizona ’06 ballot. With the exception of the marriage amendment which was too broadly written and the animal rights bill (who votes against cute little piglets…OK, me), the conservative issues passed or the liberal issues were defeated. Yet, we elected Janet. I know the clean elections system gives the incumbent a free pass to the next term, but it still shows the willingness of voters to protect their vote with a built in checks and balance.

]]> By: Kralmajales http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24647 Kralmajales Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:56:10 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24647 BoredinAZ, I think they were a little worried with even Shaddegg at the helm. Honestly. Shaddegg went out of his way to raise about a million bucks when he learned that Lord had made a pretty impressive stab at $400k in the first reporting period. He now has $600k. What an open seat does is make it even MORE difficult and you will need more resources. I would argue that Lord has as much name rec. as those people have mentioned here...Shaddegg had a lot more than they did...and now he is gone. Both parties will pour money into this one...but Lord has a nice head start. BoredinAZ,

I think they were a little worried with even Shaddegg at the helm. Honestly. Shaddegg went out of his way to raise about a million bucks when he learned that Lord had made a pretty impressive stab at $400k in the first reporting period. He now has $600k.

What an open seat does is make it even MORE difficult and you will need more resources.

I would argue that Lord has as much name rec. as those people have mentioned here…Shaddegg had a lot more than they did…and now he is gone.

Both parties will pour money into this one…but Lord has a nice head start.

]]> By: boredinaz http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24629 boredinaz Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:21:33 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24629 Sorry kral, I disagree with your claim that Bob Lord has good name recognition. I live just over the line from CD3 and, while I'm not an insider or an active party member, I follow local politics closely. I had never heard of this guy until last month. Good name recognition means the general public knows who you are, not just people who are active in the party. That description doesn't fit Lord. And given the registration disparity in that district, I see no reason for the GOP to fear losing this one. Sorry kral, I disagree with your claim that Bob Lord has good name recognition. I live just over the line from CD3 and, while I’m not an insider or an active party member, I follow local politics closely. I had never heard of this guy until last month. Good name recognition means the general public knows who you are, not just people who are active in the party. That description doesn’t fit Lord. And given the registration disparity in that district, I see no reason for the GOP to fear losing this one.

]]> By: Walter http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24628 Walter Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:15:46 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24628 Here is where we really need a strong hand at the helm of the party. Pullen should: 1. declare that he is not running for the seat. 2. temp. check the elected officials in the district (some of the names mentioned above are great, others crazy, regardless they all need a dose of reality in terms of how much money it will take and how much money the state and national party does NOT have. Hopefully that sorts out the chaff -- this district doesn't need a 10-way primary. As much as I hate to agree with Kral, Lord's money (without a primary) does make a formidable opponent if we're going to bloody ourselves up. Here is where we really need a strong hand at the helm of the party. Pullen should:
1. declare that he is not running for the seat.
2. temp. check the elected officials in the district (some of the names mentioned above are great, others crazy, regardless they all need a dose of reality in terms of how much money it will take and how much money the state and national party does NOT have. Hopefully that sorts out the chaff — this district doesn’t need a 10-way primary. As much as I hate to agree with Kral, Lord’s money (without a primary) does make a formidable opponent if we’re going to bloody ourselves up.

]]> By: kralmajales http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24612 kralmajales Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:56:45 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24612 Crud...Nightcrawler is right too...forgot to give props. I would add that in addition to candidates, you will need a ton of money...fast. Hence my points above. Crud…Nightcrawler is right too…forgot to give props.

I would add that in addition to candidates, you will need a ton of money…fast.

Hence my points above.

]]> By: kralmajales http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24611 kralmajales Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:54:41 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24611 DSW and Poison are right. DSW and Poison are right.

]]> By: nightcrawler http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24554 nightcrawler Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:59:19 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24554 DSW is right. Shadegg's retirement is HUGE. The ripple effect will be far reaching and long lasting. He is a good man and I am sure he thought it through. This is a big loss for us. We need to field some credible candidates pronto. DSW is right. Shadegg’s retirement is HUGE. The ripple effect will be far reaching and long lasting. He is a good man and I am sure he thought it through. This is a big loss for us. We need to field some credible candidates pronto.

]]> By: DSW http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24544 DSW Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:06:44 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24544 The effects of a Shadegg retirement are staggering. This will create a huge shift in the political chessboard as state legislators scramble to file papers and raise money for the seat. State Reps will jump for State Senate seats leaving those seats vacant. Stand by for political excitement in the months ahead! The effects of a Shadegg retirement are staggering. This will create a huge shift in the political chessboard as state legislators scramble to file papers and raise money for the seat. State Reps will jump for State Senate seats leaving those seats vacant. Stand by for political excitement in the months ahead!

]]> By: Poison http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24542 Poison Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:26:21 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24542 Someone PLEASE talk me off the ledge here! This is devastating. I figured that people like Shadegg were the only hope we had for the next few years, and they are disappearing one by one. As for the seat, even if the GOP holds it, we will be losing one of the most reliable conservatives and replacing him with a powerless freshman. Someone PLEASE talk me off the ledge here! This is devastating. I figured that people like Shadegg were the only hope we had for the next few years, and they are disappearing one by one. As for the seat, even if the GOP holds it, we will be losing one of the most reliable conservatives and replacing him with a powerless freshman.

]]> By: Tim S. http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24541 Tim S. Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:17:23 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24541 Sen. Barbara Leff, Sen. Pamela Gorman, Rep. Doug Clark, Rep. Sam Crump and who knows who else. Plenty of folks with fat wallets in that district and the ability to write a huge check in a short race could make a real difference. Sen. Barbara Leff, Sen. Pamela Gorman, Rep. Doug Clark, Rep. Sam Crump and who knows who else. Plenty of folks with fat wallets in that district and the ability to write a huge check in a short race could make a real difference.

]]> By: Alan B http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24539 Alan B Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:54:17 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24539 "...never intended to be a professional politician" So, don't look for a Senator Shadegg campaign? My opinion is Dean Martin would be the most talented and exciting alternative. But yes, bad timing apparently? “…never intended to be a professional politician” So, don’t look for a Senator Shadegg campaign?

My opinion is Dean Martin would be the most talented and exciting alternative. But yes, bad timing apparently?

]]> By: Ann http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24538 Ann Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:49:09 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24538 Thanks Kral. I cannot imagine a scandal in his office! Here is an excerpt from the email he sent out: "My health is great; I have not felt better in years, and I expect to be involved in our nation's political discourse for decades to come. I just came off the most successful fundraising year of my career. I raised more than $1 million last year, more since the beginning of this year, and I haven't begun to tap the financial support I could get if I needed it. Recently I have seen polling data that shows I would beat my Democrat opponent by more than 31 points. It also shows a generic Republican beating a generic Democrat and it shows that on issue after issue the voters of this district support conservative, Republican positions. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Republican nominee for this seat will win in November. This district will stay Republican. The bottom line is that this is a personal decision between my family and me, about our dreams, goals, and ambitions, and we have concluded that it is time for me to seek a new challenge in a different venue to advance the cause of freedom." Thank you Congressman Shadegg! Thanks Kral. I cannot imagine a scandal in his office! Here is an excerpt from the email he sent out:

“My health is great; I have not felt better in years, and I expect to be involved in our nation’s political discourse for decades to come.

I just came off the most successful fundraising year of my career. I raised more than $1 million last year, more since the beginning of this year, and I haven’t begun to tap the financial support I could get if I needed it. Recently I have seen polling data that shows I would beat my Democrat opponent by more than 31 points.

It also shows a generic Republican beating a generic Democrat and it shows that on issue after issue the voters of this district support conservative, Republican positions. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Republican nominee for this seat will win in November. This district will stay Republican.

The bottom line is that this is a personal decision between my family and me, about our dreams, goals, and ambitions, and we have concluded that it is time for me to seek a new challenge in a different venue to advance the cause of freedom.”

Thank you Congressman Shadegg!

]]> By: Kralmajales http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24537 Kralmajales Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:41:39 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24537 Are you all so sure about the scandal issue? The K Street stuff has brought down two GOP house members already...Shaddegg can't have been all that divorced from all that. In addition, remember the recent defense he made on campaign finance??? I supect we are going to hear more about this. As for the GOP nominee waxing Lord. He has $600K in the bank, good name rec., and is running in a particularly unfriendly time for the GOP. Plus...its now an open seat...which gives him an even better chance of winning than he has before. Anyhow...aside from all this politics stuff. I am still shocked and you all are losing someone dear to you, so let me say...sorry for that. Are you all so sure about the scandal issue? The K Street stuff has brought down two GOP house members already…Shaddegg can’t have been all that divorced from all that. In addition, remember the recent defense he made on campaign finance??? I supect we are going to hear more about this.

As for the GOP nominee waxing Lord. He has $600K in the bank, good name rec., and is running in a particularly unfriendly time for the GOP. Plus…its now an open seat…which gives him an even better chance of winning than he has before.

Anyhow…aside from all this politics stuff. I am still shocked and you all are losing someone dear to you, so let me say…sorry for that.

]]> By: Ann http://sonoranalliance.com/2008/02/11/shadegg-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-24536 Ann Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:27:13 +0000 http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=2014#comment-24536 Ditto Publius. Ditto Publius.

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