Comments on: Wake tosses sanctions lawsuit.

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By: Sad Republican

Sad Republican — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:39:53 +0000

TrueConservative, You are a true conservative. Pearce and Don Goldwater are fools who have almost destroyed the Republican Party in Arizona. Now, they have their sights set on our economy.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:09:52 +0000

I think some are missing the point here. I wish the federal government would do it’s job here. I also wish employers would not hire illegal aliens. Neither has happened. This is a very complicated issue with many winners and losers. However, the following is true. Hiring those in the country illegally is in itself illegal. It drives down costs, which if done legally, is a good thing, but when done illegally is a classic distortion of the free market. Providing jobs to illegals also brings with it many other costs to society ranging from social costs, to far more nefarious criminal costs. I want to sympathize with business here, but that is mitigated by the fact that they are breaking the law and gaining from it. Their gains come at the expense of society in general and more specifically those in business who do not break the law. I fail to see how a legislator faced with this information would not attempt to do something. It’s not a Republican or Democrat issue. It’s an issue of doing something in the absence of a federal government who will not do anything. I don’t care if we have a guest worker program. It would probably solve a lot of problems for everyone. But in the absence of that, I fail to see how turning a blind eye to the problem is good for Arizona.

By: Passonate Moderate

Passonate Moderate — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:18:55 +0000

Here’s a good question. What does “pro-business” mean now. Does it mean less regulation or does it mean loot the taxpayer for hand outs to private business? Theme parks, incentives or other deals where the taxpayers take the risk and “business” reaps the reward.

By: TrueConservative

TrueConservative — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:04:26 +0000

Folks,

I think that before we go throwing fire balls over whether employer sanctions is a conservative or moderate issue, I think that we would first need to define what ‘conservative’ is.

I know that I consider myself to be a social conservative, and a fiscal conservative. Anywhere I go, people would consider me to be a conservative. But, I do not support the employer sanctions law, nor Russell Pearce. This does not make me a moderate. I believe that this law will be extremely bad for Arizona, and our economy. I believe that raising taxes and bonds are also bad. I love Arizona, but I fear the direction in which we are headed.

Republicans, for the longest time, have been synonymous with being pro-business and anti-big government. Russell Pearce’s actions aren’t any of these things, and I believe that he is siding more with the Unions than the Republican Party. Therefore, I will argue that he is behaving anti-Republican.

By: kralmajales

kralmajales — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:38:58 +0000

First of all, thanks kindly to some of the shout-outs and thanks also to what is a fantastic discussion overall.

I disagree that most of the groups that I mentioned above do not support conservatives. These are developers, farmers, and even the Chamber of Commerce! This is the bulk of the business community representation that has always been what has funded the party and its candidates.

My main point of disagreement, however, was touched on above but not directly mentioned. These groups are what has supported the infrastructure of the state and national party…as an organization. It has been that organization that has, for the most part, won you elections and that has provided the infrastructure for voter drives, registration, and that has encouraged candidates. Bruce Ash will know what I mean by this.

The split does not harm the far right wing of your party…it harms the party overall. It means that these groups will not support what is left standing. What is left standing will be too small and too extreme to dominate politics in Arizona in the future. You will win strongly conservative districts like Goulds and Pearce’s but you will lose any that are close.

Passonate Moderate,

Your last post gets at the split that I was talking about in my lead comment.

This issue will kill the GOP if this continues in the way that it is shaping up. McCain and Kyl know it.

By: Passonate Moderate

Passonate Moderate — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:11:07 +0000

O.K. let me try again. The illegal employer lobby doesn’t give to the party, they don’t give to conservatives they only give to moderates. If they pull their money, only moderates(liberals hiding inside the Republican party) are harmed.
In the past the state party provided NO help for state conservative candidates. There focus was only on federal level seats, conservatives have had to stand on their own. Just like the people that elect them.

By: cactus wren

cactus wren — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:22:10 +0000

So true, so true…. >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5GUCQAdlxg

By: nightcrawler

nightcrawler — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:37:01 +0000

All the people spewing rhetoric on both sides of this argument have omitted one rather important current event, the economy. Arizona has by and large, replaced the five C’s (copper, cotton, cattle, citrus and climate) with the biggest “C” of all…CONSTRUCTION.

With the sub-prime meltdown and many out of state speculators tucking tail and leaving homes for foreclosure. The building trades, with the exception of commercial are reeling.
The ironic truth is that a lot the illegal workers have already left the state because of lack of work. In addition the new sanctions law has already run off several more.

In my estimation, what we have brewing here is the perfect storm. As the economy continues to sour, home remodeling, house swapping and even landscaping will take a back seat to cash flow. The average Joe Schmo who would have turned the other cheek while his new auto was being hand dried will now think twice about paying $25 to get his used car washed by snotty high school kids.

Under the tall grass cover of a bad economy, this bill will indeed worm its way into reality. Its sponsors and supporters will hail victory, taking credit for an exodus driven more by mortgage broker and speculator greed than the law itself .

The rest of us will pay eight bucks for a happy meal, will mow our grass or replace it with desert landscaping under the excuse of being “green”. The economy makes barons and beggars of us all. The rest of this banter is simply background music for the real show.

By: Pearce Supporter

Pearce Supporter — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:17:14 +0000

Who cares if our economy is destroyed, people are put out of work, and businesses will not relocate to Arizona. We will have fewer Mexicans here.

By: Poison

Poison — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:40:04 +0000

You are right, they will not end up behind bars. I was just dreaming. Some people hope the Cubs will one day win the World Series…I hope Mac Magruder and Rickey Wassenaar will one day be cell mates.

As for my own employer, I know for a fact that we make every effort not to hire illegals. If one ever did manage to slip through the cracks, we would have nothing to worry about under the new law, and it certainly would’t mean the end of the company (or my job for that matter). Thanks for the warm Christmas wishes though.

The difference is that my employer does not go around suing its potential customers in a desperate attempt to undermine the political process and facilitate continued lawbreaking. We also don’t call our customers who don’t agree with us racists.

As for your statistics…very impressive. I’m speechless, except to say, “How did we ever survive without them?”

By: Horst Kraus

Horst Kraus — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:02:12 +0000

You are all right, some more than others; in random order.
Frank Soto (7) is right in setting facts straight but his breath (like mine) is wasted on those that are mentally challenged.
Poison (2) please tells us, who you think will wind up behind bars. I hope you don’t wish that upon those who support the business that currently supports your paycheck.
Darryl Light (4) Do I understand you correct that only small minded individuals can understand and applaud the Employer Sanction Law? You’d be very right then.
Anonymous (3) you are almost a 100% right, except “Poison” would not have fun.
Anon (8) You forgot one thing, albeit we are part of the party for smaller government (unless its about our private lives where we must insist to have at least one Deacon, one Bishop, one Preacher and for sure one representative of the very Reverend Jerry Fawell all times in each and every bedroom 24/7). It’s for Family Values Sake, you know.
Passionate Moderate (5) you are half right, depriving the party of financial support will hurt the party, but since the moderates are the ones who get funding, they can’t be hurt all that bad. The party will learn sooner than later what has caused the diminishing cash flow. You are correct here and you could have named more than two.
For Real (9) you too are correct it’s just that a carriage does not move as well if half of its wheels don’t turn. This goes for parties also.
Poison (6) you too are correct in believing what you feel is right to believe for yourself. In your wish of being in lockstep with what you believe is the majority, let me simply tell you that if a national economy, any economy abandons 9.56 [*] million consumers and 9.56 [*] million productive workers, it will have a substantial negative impact on its economy and GNP. To this end I suggest you pray that Anonymous (3) thoughts will not translate in reality. [*9.56 million is 88% of the estimated 12 million illegal residents that are presumed not part of the 12% drug dealers and otherwise undesirables]
Kralmajales (1) You are the Winner; your score is a perfect 100%. Although I do not know you, at some other post, I remember you were painted as a Liberal. If this is indeed the case, it proves Daryl Light (4) who thinks Liberals have small brains very, very wrong.

By: ForREAL

ForREAL — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:51:00 +0000

Passionate Moderate:

You logic is flawed too. Just because the business groups don’t give to the Party doesnt’ mean they are giving individually to Republicans who support them on this issue.

Because that is exactly what is happening. Money is not going to the anti-immigration party but to individual candidates. So the mods really do win in the end.

Kudos, Kralmajales!

By: Anon

Anon — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:30:17 +0000

All Republicans know that we are the party of smaller govt (unless we want to get rid of Mexicans and need more bureacracy and Imm Agents) Open markets (unless its for Mexicans) and Less govt regulations (unless we can mandate extra process to sift out Mexicans). Oh and dont forget more Free trade (unless we need make corps keep jobs in US).

By: Frank Soto

Frank Soto — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:42:05 +0000

Darryl light: Judge Wake is actually a very respected conservative district court judge. Just because you are a judge in the 9th Circuit (he is not ON the ninth circuit, because he is a district court judge), does not make you liberal. There are a number of liberal circuit court judges, but there are also quite a number of prominent conservatives: Koziniski, O’Scanlin, Bybee immediately come to mind. I hate the whole “Oh, the 9th Circuit did it, must have been liberal.”

Sorry, personal rant that had nothing to do with the topic (a trend for me?)