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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14612</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And of all the insults…to be accused of being a lawyer is just tooo much.&quot;

Funny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And of all the insults…to be accused of being a lawyer is just tooo much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Real conservative activist,&quot;

First, Rob Haney is a good man and has done as much for conservatism as any other volunteer in the state.  That you insult him tells me you are about power, not conservative principles.  Why are you even bringing Haney up?

As far as my problem with Andrew Thomas, it is threefold:

1. Andrew Thomas professes to be a conservative when it helps to win elections, but his actions indicate otherwise (e.g., endorsing McCain, hiring liberals like Barnett Lotstien to help run his office,  etc.).

2. I agree with Bob that Andrew Thomas lacks the ethics to serve as county attorney.  Thomas hasn&#039;t even been through one term, and we already have scandals in his  office like the New Times witch hunt and a judge ruling that Thomas&#039;s office mislead a grand jury to score high-profile indictments.  Thomas will do anything to preserve and expand his political power, and that&#039;s unacceptable to any true conservative.

3. Thomas&#039;s unethical conduct has damaged the reputation of Republicans. 

P.S.  I never worked for Thomas, but I did work my tail off to get him elected.  Trust me, I won&#039;t ever make that mistake again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Real conservative activist,&#8221;</p>
<p>First, Rob Haney is a good man and has done as much for conservatism as any other volunteer in the state.  That you insult him tells me you are about power, not conservative principles.  Why are you even bringing Haney up?</p>
<p>As far as my problem with Andrew Thomas, it is threefold:</p>
<p>1. Andrew Thomas professes to be a conservative when it helps to win elections, but his actions indicate otherwise (e.g., endorsing McCain, hiring liberals like Barnett Lotstien to help run his office,  etc.).</p>
<p>2. I agree with Bob that Andrew Thomas lacks the ethics to serve as county attorney.  Thomas hasn&#8217;t even been through one term, and we already have scandals in his  office like the New Times witch hunt and a judge ruling that Thomas&#8217;s office mislead a grand jury to score high-profile indictments.  Thomas will do anything to preserve and expand his political power, and that&#8217;s unacceptable to any true conservative.</p>
<p>3. Thomas&#8217;s unethical conduct has damaged the reputation of Republicans. </p>
<p>P.S.  I never worked for Thomas, but I did work my tail off to get him elected.  Trust me, I won&#8217;t ever make that mistake again.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14458</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA and Bob:  You win.  I give up. I&#039;ve never been re-quoted before, and it&#039;s just creepy when my &quot;quote&quot; is already only three inches above your &quot;re-quote.&quot;  It&#039;s weird.  And of all the insults...to be accused of being a lawyer is just tooo much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA and Bob:  You win.  I give up. I&#8217;ve never been re-quoted before, and it&#8217;s just creepy when my &#8220;quote&#8221; is already only three inches above your &#8220;re-quote.&#8221;  It&#8217;s weird.  And of all the insults&#8230;to be accused of being a lawyer is just tooo much.</p>
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		<title>By: The real conservative activist</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14451</link>
		<dc:creator>The real conservative activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative activist,

Who are you? Rob Haney? The guy who likes to slam conservatives who don&#039;t agree with him on only .001% of the issues - gradually destroying the party? What do you have against Andrew Thomas, one of the most conservative politicians in the state? Republicans finally elect a very conservative politician to a major office in Arizona, and all you can do is rip him up? Obviously you&#039;re someone with an agenda against Mr. Thomas, you have some issue with him that you&#039;re not disclosing, because his conservative credentials are more impeccable than probably any other major Republican politician in the state. I&#039;ve exchanged emails with &quot;Timothy&quot; for awhile now, and I know what he does for a living, and he does not work for Mr. Thomas. (although even if he did, I don&#039;t see why it should matter - and aren&#039;t you the one who said you used to work for Mr. Thomas to help put him in office)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative activist,</p>
<p>Who are you? Rob Haney? The guy who likes to slam conservatives who don&#8217;t agree with him on only .001% of the issues &#8211; gradually destroying the party? What do you have against Andrew Thomas, one of the most conservative politicians in the state? Republicans finally elect a very conservative politician to a major office in Arizona, and all you can do is rip him up? Obviously you&#8217;re someone with an agenda against Mr. Thomas, you have some issue with him that you&#8217;re not disclosing, because his conservative credentials are more impeccable than probably any other major Republican politician in the state. I&#8217;ve exchanged emails with &#8220;Timothy&#8221; for awhile now, and I know what he does for a living, and he does not work for Mr. Thomas. (although even if he did, I don&#8217;t see why it should matter &#8211; and aren&#8217;t you the one who said you used to work for Mr. Thomas to help put him in office)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14399</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell, no one asked Timothy who he was or where exactly he worked.  If he simply responded that he didn&#039;t work for Andrew Thomas, then that would have narrowed him down to one of the almost six million people who live in Arizona.  

There were yet more articles on the lack of professionalism and ethics in Andrew Thomas&#039;s office yesterday in the Republic.  One indicated that a judge ruled that Thomas&#039;s office intentionally mislead a grand jury.  In another, another judge ruled that the office left out required documents in the New Times grand jury file and scheduled a hearing--yet another negative twist on a very disturbing story about Thomas&#039;s office.

The problem here is that not only is Thomas not really a principled conservative, but he also does not meet the professional standard to be a county attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, no one asked Timothy who he was or where exactly he worked.  If he simply responded that he didn&#8217;t work for Andrew Thomas, then that would have narrowed him down to one of the almost six million people who live in Arizona.  </p>
<p>There were yet more articles on the lack of professionalism and ethics in Andrew Thomas&#8217;s office yesterday in the Republic.  One indicated that a judge ruled that Thomas&#8217;s office intentionally mislead a grand jury.  In another, another judge ruled that the office left out required documents in the New Times grand jury file and scheduled a hearing&#8211;yet another negative twist on a very disturbing story about Thomas&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>The problem here is that not only is Thomas not really a principled conservative, but he also does not meet the professional standard to be a county attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative activist</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14397</link>
		<dc:creator>conservative activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence of Andrew Thomas&#039;s endorsement of John McCain is right there on McCain&#039;s presidential campaign website!

Timothy: &quot;uh, hey moderators, CA is attributing another’s comments to me…&quot;

Okay, let&#039;s go through this.

First Timothy expressed disbelieve that Andrew Thomas endorsed McCain, when he wrote:

&quot;Where is the Thomas endorsement of McCain? For President? &quot;

In response, I wrote, &quot;At first you tried to question that Thomas endorsed McCain.&quot;

Then Timothy responded that he was merely asking &quot;*where* the endorsement was.&quot;

But then later in the same post, Timothy again expresses doubt whether Thomas indeed endorsed McCain: &quot;And someone anonymously saying &#039;I saw the endorsement several months ago&#039; does not confirm anything, to me.&quot;

You know about that lawyer who argued that his client doesn&#039;t have a dog and that the dog he owns didn&#039;t bite anyone?  That&#039;s what you remind me of.  Whether or not you work in Thomas&#039;s office, you sure act like a dishonest lawyer.

What kills me is that you asked the moderators to intervene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence of Andrew Thomas&#8217;s endorsement of John McCain is right there on McCain&#8217;s presidential campaign website!</p>
<p>Timothy: &#8220;uh, hey moderators, CA is attributing another’s comments to me…&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, let&#8217;s go through this.</p>
<p>First Timothy expressed disbelieve that Andrew Thomas endorsed McCain, when he wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is the Thomas endorsement of McCain? For President? &#8221;</p>
<p>In response, I wrote, &#8220;At first you tried to question that Thomas endorsed McCain.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then Timothy responded that he was merely asking &#8220;*where* the endorsement was.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then later in the same post, Timothy again expresses doubt whether Thomas indeed endorsed McCain: &#8220;And someone anonymously saying &#8216;I saw the endorsement several months ago&#8217; does not confirm anything, to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know about that lawyer who argued that his client doesn&#8217;t have a dog and that the dog he owns didn&#8217;t bite anyone?  That&#8217;s what you remind me of.  Whether or not you work in Thomas&#8217;s office, you sure act like a dishonest lawyer.</p>
<p>What kills me is that you asked the moderators to intervene.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14332</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there ever good reasons for ad hominem attacks on someone&#039;s argument?  It&#039;s a logical fallacy, but often effective in a Brittney Spears kind of way.  Enormously popular, possibly talented, but we can&#039;t get past our moral outrage about the person long enough to listen.

Anonymity has its place not just in blogs but in many historical institutions, some quite useful:  Grand juries.  The ballot box.  Silent Witness.  Deep Throat.  Focus groups.  American Idol.  And until recently, campaign finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there ever good reasons for ad hominem attacks on someone&#8217;s argument?  It&#8217;s a logical fallacy, but often effective in a Brittney Spears kind of way.  Enormously popular, possibly talented, but we can&#8217;t get past our moral outrage about the person long enough to listen.</p>
<p>Anonymity has its place not just in blogs but in many historical institutions, some quite useful:  Grand juries.  The ballot box.  Silent Witness.  Deep Throat.  Focus groups.  American Idol.  And until recently, campaign finance.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14329</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Thomas sacrifices conservatism all the time to preserve his self-interest.  Of course if you ask me, his supposed &quot;conservatism&quot; was just what he was using for his self-interest in getting elected.  

Not a fan.  He&#039;s a wack-job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Thomas sacrifices conservatism all the time to preserve his self-interest.  Of course if you ask me, his supposed &#8220;conservatism&#8221; was just what he was using for his self-interest in getting elected.  </p>
<p>Not a fan.  He&#8217;s a wack-job.</p>
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		<title>By: Moolah</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14328</link>
		<dc:creator>Moolah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Timothy ..... I guess thats a yes?  I mean, that is the only answer that would invited ad hominem attacks (perhaps with good reason in that case).

You seemed to be a critic of anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Timothy &#8230;.. I guess thats a yes?  I mean, that is the only answer that would invited ad hominem attacks (perhaps with good reason in that case).</p>
<p>You seemed to be a critic of anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14255</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In comment #7 I asked *where* the endorsement was.  Kinda like &quot;where&#039;s my wallet.&quot;  It&#039;s somewhere, I guess, I just want to know where it is.  If legit, it contradicts being involved politically with Pearce, so a little belittlement of one or the other is in order.  And I admitted I was confused by it, and still am.

And someone anonymously saying &quot;I saw the endorsement several months ago&quot; does not confirm anything, to me.

As far as who I am or where I work, well that&#039;s just inviting  ad hominem attacks, now isn&#039;t it?  So I guess I&#039;ll sacrifice some of my conservatism to preserve my self-interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In comment #7 I asked *where* the endorsement was.  Kinda like &#8220;where&#8217;s my wallet.&#8221;  It&#8217;s somewhere, I guess, I just want to know where it is.  If legit, it contradicts being involved politically with Pearce, so a little belittlement of one or the other is in order.  And I admitted I was confused by it, and still am.</p>
<p>And someone anonymously saying &#8220;I saw the endorsement several months ago&#8221; does not confirm anything, to me.</p>
<p>As far as who I am or where I work, well that&#8217;s just inviting  ad hominem attacks, now isn&#8217;t it?  So I guess I&#8217;ll sacrifice some of my conservatism to preserve my self-interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14235</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

If someone misquotes you then correct them. This is a free-speech forum and we try to moderate for physical threats, profanity, and other items that rise to that level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>If someone misquotes you then correct them. This is a free-speech forum and we try to moderate for physical threats, profanity, and other items that rise to that level.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14230</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that Timothy questioned whether Andrew Thomas endorsed McCain for president (comment 7).  It&#039;s also true that once he was corrected, he tried to belittle the significance of the endorsement (comment 10).   I wonder why Timothy never answered the question about whether he worked in Thomas&#039;s office.  

As I&#039;ve written on this site before, Andy Thomas billed himself as a reliable conservative, but now those of us who worked in overdrive to get him elected realize he deceived us.  I agree with the others on this thread that Thomas is not about conservatism, but rather about himself.  Appointing his close political associate as a special prosecutor to persecute (yes, persecute, not prosecute) the New Times?  What does Thomas do in other areas when we don&#039;t have the benefit of publicity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that Timothy questioned whether Andrew Thomas endorsed McCain for president (comment 7).  It&#8217;s also true that once he was corrected, he tried to belittle the significance of the endorsement (comment 10).   I wonder why Timothy never answered the question about whether he worked in Thomas&#8217;s office.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written on this site before, Andy Thomas billed himself as a reliable conservative, but now those of us who worked in overdrive to get him elected realize he deceived us.  I agree with the others on this thread that Thomas is not about conservatism, but rather about himself.  Appointing his close political associate as a special prosecutor to persecute (yes, persecute, not prosecute) the New Times?  What does Thomas do in other areas when we don&#8217;t have the benefit of publicity?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14163</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, hey moderators, CA is attributing another&#039;s comments to me...

Being a conservative is one thing, being a solid one is another, and being an activist is still another.  It must be tough to keep them all straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, hey moderators, CA is attributing another&#8217;s comments to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Being a conservative is one thing, being a solid one is another, and being an activist is still another.  It must be tough to keep them all straight.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative activist</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-14151</link>
		<dc:creator>conservative activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break, Timothy.  At first you tried to question that Thomas endorsed McCain.  Then, when I confirmed it, you act as if it&#039;s no big deal.  No solid conservative would endorse McCain for president.  Period.  End of story.  How does one explain Andrew Thomas endorsing McCain and Pearce?  Easy, Thomas puts his own political ambition above principle, and Thomas thought he would get something out of endorsing McCain.  

Just out of curiosity, do you work in the county attorney&#039;s office, Timothy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break, Timothy.  At first you tried to question that Thomas endorsed McCain.  Then, when I confirmed it, you act as if it&#8217;s no big deal.  No solid conservative would endorse McCain for president.  Period.  End of story.  How does one explain Andrew Thomas endorsing McCain and Pearce?  Easy, Thomas puts his own political ambition above principle, and Thomas thought he would get something out of endorsing McCain.  </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, do you work in the county attorney&#8217;s office, Timothy?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/11/14/liberals-for-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-13991</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but can anyone explain a McCain supporter siding with Russell Pearce against Jeff Flake?  There has got to be something more to this.  So he&#039;s (Thomas) siding with a conservative Republican there...against another conservative.  Pretty soon, these terms are not meaning a whole lot.  If you side with liberal, moderate, and conservative Republicans...you may just be...a Republican!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but can anyone explain a McCain supporter siding with Russell Pearce against Jeff Flake?  There has got to be something more to this.  So he&#8217;s (Thomas) siding with a conservative Republican there&#8230;against another conservative.  Pretty soon, these terms are not meaning a whole lot.  If you side with liberal, moderate, and conservative Republicans&#8230;you may just be&#8230;a Republican!</p>
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