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		<title>By: Psychic Readings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychic Readings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also added your site in my rss reader great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also added your site in my rss reader great post.</p>
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		<title>By: SW AZ MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SW AZ MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shadegg did us well. while not perfect he was a true chap for us in AZ. i got to know Sean and i wll support him all the way.  He is a true warrior for us here in AZ. He is not a BS politics as normal guy.

Sean, please run!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadegg did us well. while not perfect he was a true chap for us in AZ. i got to know Sean and i wll support him all the way.  He is a true warrior for us here in AZ. He is not a BS politics as normal guy.</p>
<p>Sean, please run!!</p>
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		<title>By: medium psychic jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>medium psychic jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>psychics psychic medium &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.grab.com/dimik123&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;psychic medium absolutely&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>psychics psychic medium <a href="http://blogs.grab.com/dimik123" rel="nofollow">psychic medium absolutely</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may not be an antidote, but she enhances it.  You can&#039;t have the support of ALL the central avenue - congressional - lobbyist power elitists and claim to not be in league with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may not be an antidote, but she enhances it.  You can&#8217;t have the support of ALL the central avenue &#8211; congressional &#8211; lobbyist power elitists and claim to not be in league with them.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s deniable.  Because it is in no way measureable.  It is your subjective opinion and you are entitled to it.  You completely misread my postings.  I think it is unsound logically to criticize Baier for her closeness to Kahn (although I&#039;ve certainly known brothers and sisters who aren&#039;t), when Altmann is certainly a supporter of firefighters as well -- and advertises as such.  If you like Altmann&#039;s stated positions and his profile, fine.  But I believe him to be disingenuous.  Bottom line:  you oppose centralization of power in a select few interests.  I agree.  I don&#039;t find Altmann to be an antidote to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s deniable.  Because it is in no way measureable.  It is your subjective opinion and you are entitled to it.  You completely misread my postings.  I think it is unsound logically to criticize Baier for her closeness to Kahn (although I&#8217;ve certainly known brothers and sisters who aren&#8217;t), when Altmann is certainly a supporter of firefighters as well &#8212; and advertises as such.  If you like Altmann&#8217;s stated positions and his profile, fine.  But I believe him to be disingenuous.  Bottom line:  you oppose centralization of power in a select few interests.  I agree.  I don&#8217;t find Altmann to be an antidote to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

First, your posting #13 makes the statement that Altmann is closely associated with the Fire Department - closer that Baier to Kahn?  

Secondly, you said that Altmann&#039;s supporters were going to be disappointed because he wouldn&#039;t measure up on ideology.  The ideology conservatives fear the most is the ideology that supports the centralization of power within a select few.  

To further respond to Post #15, as far as the Chamber is concerned, most of the businesses are members for reasons other than political endorsements.  Most chamber members are not even aware of who are the members of the committee that makes these endorsements.

I am critical of any organization that is working against over three quarters of the people of Arizona as proven in polls AND in the voting booths.  The common thread with the people I named is they all have a track record of supporting the centralization of power to themselves and their political friends.  That is undeniable when looked at by any independent evaluaton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>First, your posting #13 makes the statement that Altmann is closely associated with the Fire Department &#8211; closer that Baier to Kahn?  </p>
<p>Secondly, you said that Altmann&#8217;s supporters were going to be disappointed because he wouldn&#8217;t measure up on ideology.  The ideology conservatives fear the most is the ideology that supports the centralization of power within a select few.  </p>
<p>To further respond to Post #15, as far as the Chamber is concerned, most of the businesses are members for reasons other than political endorsements.  Most chamber members are not even aware of who are the members of the committee that makes these endorsements.</p>
<p>I am critical of any organization that is working against over three quarters of the people of Arizona as proven in polls AND in the voting booths.  The common thread with the people I named is they all have a track record of supporting the centralization of power to themselves and their political friends.  That is undeniable when looked at by any independent evaluaton.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee - 

Huh?  What I&#039;m responding to is those on this blog that think that Altmann is ideologically closer to them than Baier is.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s conservative at all.  It is wrong for conservatives to be manipulated by those that wear the mantle only for show.  

You just named about 20 people who have nothing necessarily in common with each other besides the fact they are familiar.  Are you being critical of the Phoenix Chamber which represents about 1200 small, medium and large businesses in the region?  Who exactly do you think should be represented by the new Councilperson.  I think we all get a say.  Altmann&#039;s history is contrary to that of an open, participative process.  He should just keep resuscitating people all over town, as it appears that has become the strength of his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8211; </p>
<p>Huh?  What I&#8217;m responding to is those on this blog that think that Altmann is ideologically closer to them than Baier is.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s conservative at all.  It is wrong for conservatives to be manipulated by those that wear the mantle only for show.  </p>
<p>You just named about 20 people who have nothing necessarily in common with each other besides the fact they are familiar.  Are you being critical of the Phoenix Chamber which represents about 1200 small, medium and large businesses in the region?  Who exactly do you think should be represented by the new Councilperson.  I think we all get a say.  Altmann&#8217;s history is contrary to that of an open, participative process.  He should just keep resuscitating people all over town, as it appears that has become the strength of his campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

You say Altmann is running for the power not for the ideology?  Does that mean that you believe that Baier is running for ideology?  

Let&#039;s see, to name a few for Baier - Napolitano, Gordon, Shadegg, Noble, Bayless, Barnes, Bidwell, Bilsten, Cantelme, Coughlin, Davis, Dorn, Fose, Gullett, Hull, Johnson, Kaites, Molera, Nava, Norton, Nowakowski, Pfister, Romley, Scutari, Simplot, Willems, Woods, United Phoenix Firefighters, Phoenix Chamber, AFL-CIO, Arizona General Contractors and the Repugnant.  

Since you indicate that ideology should be the determining factor, what ideology do these supporters of Baier all represent?  Let me guess.  Control of the process regardless of party.  

Well, for some that is an ideology and we expect that she will adhere to that ideology if elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You say Altmann is running for the power not for the ideology?  Does that mean that you believe that Baier is running for ideology?  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, to name a few for Baier &#8211; Napolitano, Gordon, Shadegg, Noble, Bayless, Barnes, Bidwell, Bilsten, Cantelme, Coughlin, Davis, Dorn, Fose, Gullett, Hull, Johnson, Kaites, Molera, Nava, Norton, Nowakowski, Pfister, Romley, Scutari, Simplot, Willems, Woods, United Phoenix Firefighters, Phoenix Chamber, AFL-CIO, Arizona General Contractors and the Repugnant.  </p>
<p>Since you indicate that ideology should be the determining factor, what ideology do these supporters of Baier all represent?  Let me guess.  Control of the process regardless of party.  </p>
<p>Well, for some that is an ideology and we expect that she will adhere to that ideology if elected.</p>
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		<title>By: az gnat</title>
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		<dc:creator>az gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap Observer,

Well put. Can Sean say “Lisa Atkins,” (CD-2 GOP primary, 2002.)

Timothy,

Good point. That is why Kyl and Shadegg should work toward party unity and stop getting involved in LD and non-partisan municipal elections where their actions only serve to further split the party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap Observer,</p>
<p>Well put. Can Sean say “Lisa Atkins,” (CD-2 GOP primary, 2002.)</p>
<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>Good point. That is why Kyl and Shadegg should work toward party unity and stop getting involved in LD and non-partisan municipal elections where their actions only serve to further split the party!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Altmann has made a name for himself in his own neighborhood as a disruptive force who completely misunderstands the concept of representative government.  He will not serve the citizens of Phoenix well, regardless of how conservative you are.  He is running for the &quot;power&quot; not for ideology. He is also closely associated with the Fire Department (and Union).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altmann has made a name for himself in his own neighborhood as a disruptive force who completely misunderstands the concept of representative government.  He will not serve the citizens of Phoenix well, regardless of how conservative you are.  He is running for the &#8220;power&#8221; not for ideology. He is also closely associated with the Fire Department (and Union).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes partisan politics is superseded by personal relationships.  This confuses voters.  Confused voters identify less and less with parties and more and more with...voting as an Independent.  Reap what you sow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes partisan politics is superseded by personal relationships.  This confuses voters.  Confused voters identify less and less with parties and more and more with&#8230;voting as an Independent.  Reap what you sow.</p>
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		<title>By: Capitol Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capitol Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean sees himself as the next ex-congressional staffer/congressman.  

He is an expert soft-shoe tap dancer: look at how conservative I am -- now don&#039;t look while I garner support from the big money establishment interests who have no core issue commitments to bother them.  He has a track record for more than a decade of consistently doing this dance to the detriment of the Party activists.

DB, you must be psychic to be able to determine the home life of people over the internet.  Get over yourself.  Discuss the issue or be silent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean sees himself as the next ex-congressional staffer/congressman.  </p>
<p>He is an expert soft-shoe tap dancer: look at how conservative I am &#8212; now don&#8217;t look while I garner support from the big money establishment interests who have no core issue commitments to bother them.  He has a track record for more than a decade of consistently doing this dance to the detriment of the Party activists.</p>
<p>DB, you must be psychic to be able to determine the home life of people over the internet.  Get over yourself.  Discuss the issue or be silent.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m watching the games too!  But let&#039;s face it, with the speed Sean Noble responds to the posts that he is featured in, we can rest assured that he is regularly reading this blog.  He&#039;s simply dodging the question regarding the Arizona GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m watching the games too!  But let&#8217;s face it, with the speed Sean Noble responds to the posts that he is featured in, we can rest assured that he is regularly reading this blog.  He&#8217;s simply dodging the question regarding the Arizona GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: az gnat</title>
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		<dc:creator>az gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB,

Back at you. What are you doing wasting your time reading, none the less commenting, on this blog? What about your spouse and kids, or have they left you?

Would it be better if we sat in front of the TV and watched the game like many people do? I guess it would because then our elected officials could do what ever they wanted after winning without any comments from the peons that elected them. Sorry, not going to happen. Some of us care enough about the Republic to share our thoughts and views with others. Occasionally we even dare to speak up about significant legislation and have something to say about the issues of the day. An amazing concept for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB,</p>
<p>Back at you. What are you doing wasting your time reading, none the less commenting, on this blog? What about your spouse and kids, or have they left you?</p>
<p>Would it be better if we sat in front of the TV and watched the game like many people do? I guess it would because then our elected officials could do what ever they wanted after winning without any comments from the peons that elected them. Sorry, not going to happen. Some of us care enough about the Republic to share our thoughts and views with others. Occasionally we even dare to speak up about significant legislation and have something to say about the issues of the day. An amazing concept for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just guessing- but maybe Sean actually has a life, and doesn&#039;t spend all of his waking moments on this website, like it appears that a few people on this website do. He has a family- as I&#039;m sure many of you do- maybe you will do your selves a favor and get up from your computer and say something to your spouse and kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just guessing- but maybe Sean actually has a life, and doesn&#8217;t spend all of his waking moments on this website, like it appears that a few people on this website do. He has a family- as I&#8217;m sure many of you do- maybe you will do your selves a favor and get up from your computer and say something to your spouse and kids.</p>
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