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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8199</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOP PK- United Families International does fine work across the nation (agreed), but its national headquarters is based here in Arizona.  Knaperek is the ED of the national group, not just the AZ chapter.  I hope that I cleared things up for you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOP PK- United Families International does fine work across the nation (agreed), but its national headquarters is based here in Arizona.  Knaperek is the ED of the national group, not just the AZ chapter.  I hope that I cleared things up for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8177</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s way too ironic that the disqualifying offense is her loss to Harry and that she was on the side of the opposition to Pullen for chair saga considering Mitchell is the very Dem that Pullen gave to in the general against a Republican.  And because of that she is the bad one in the bunch?  Go figure!

Other than the losses to Mitchell in an LD, not a CD with a different voter make-up, and offending the Pullen crowd (half minus 2 of the state committeemen could be accused of the same, she just had the guts and gumption to go public) what has she done to discourage support?

She votes in accordance with some of the poster children for the AZ Republican Party, she has a solid work ethic, communicates well, and as far as I know she has never been anything but a loyal Republican.  I can’t say I agree with her on every issue but given the other candidates who also may be great guys, she’d be my pick.

Kevin,

I like Tim Bee and think he is a very effective guy.  I used him as the example because he is fairly safe on this site.  The anti-Gabby fever has been sufficient cover for any transgression for which he might be found guilty in granting him a pass.  That is about as unified as you can expect in this party in this state right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s way too ironic that the disqualifying offense is her loss to Harry and that she was on the side of the opposition to Pullen for chair saga considering Mitchell is the very Dem that Pullen gave to in the general against a Republican.  And because of that she is the bad one in the bunch?  Go figure!</p>
<p>Other than the losses to Mitchell in an LD, not a CD with a different voter make-up, and offending the Pullen crowd (half minus 2 of the state committeemen could be accused of the same, she just had the guts and gumption to go public) what has she done to discourage support?</p>
<p>She votes in accordance with some of the poster children for the AZ Republican Party, she has a solid work ethic, communicates well, and as far as I know she has never been anything but a loyal Republican.  I can’t say I agree with her on every issue but given the other candidates who also may be great guys, she’d be my pick.</p>
<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I like Tim Bee and think he is a very effective guy.  I used him as the example because he is fairly safe on this site.  The anti-Gabby fever has been sufficient cover for any transgression for which he might be found guilty in granting him a pass.  That is about as unified as you can expect in this party in this state right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim S.</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not just a question of losing one or two elections, but if you lost them to the person you&#039;re trying (again!) to beat, it becomes very relevant.

And objections that we might hear to Schweikert or Hatch-Miller would be along the lines of &quot;his name was on my tax bill&quot; or &quot;he moved into the district to run&quot;.  Sure, those are objections, but they&#039;re hardly the kind that would split a party&#039;s support for a candidate the way Laura&#039;s behaviour early this year did.  She exposed herself as someone who is vicious and dishonest in pursuit of her goals, and that is just what she was willing to do to her fellow Republicans.  To date, she has never apologized or even admitted wrongdoing.

That is the kind of stuff that divides a party and we won&#039;t be forgetting what she did.

Schweikert, Hatch-Miller, Anderson and even Ogsbury are all unburdened by similar taint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not just a question of losing one or two elections, but if you lost them to the person you&#8217;re trying (again!) to beat, it becomes very relevant.</p>
<p>And objections that we might hear to Schweikert or Hatch-Miller would be along the lines of &#8220;his name was on my tax bill&#8221; or &#8220;he moved into the district to run&#8221;.  Sure, those are objections, but they&#8217;re hardly the kind that would split a party&#8217;s support for a candidate the way Laura&#8217;s behaviour early this year did.  She exposed herself as someone who is vicious and dishonest in pursuit of her goals, and that is just what she was willing to do to her fellow Republicans.  To date, she has never apologized or even admitted wrongdoing.</p>
<p>That is the kind of stuff that divides a party and we won&#8217;t be forgetting what she did.</p>
<p>Schweikert, Hatch-Miller, Anderson and even Ogsbury are all unburdened by similar taint.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8144</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, I do not know why you think Tim Bee is such a uniting force. I can only assume that you do not live in the Tucson area. The quiet whispers off the record are that he is going to lose and part of the reason is his inability to unite the party. See
 http://www.wakeuparizona.net/timbeenathansproul.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, I do not know why you think Tim Bee is such a uniting force. I can only assume that you do not live in the Tucson area. The quiet whispers off the record are that he is going to lose and part of the reason is his inability to unite the party. See<br />
 <a href="http://www.wakeuparizona.net/timbeenathansproul.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wakeuparizona.net/timbeenathansproul.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point still stands as does my request to name me one candidate that won&#039;t illicit the same sort of responses. For that matter, any thread with more than a handful of posts that didn’t have some pretty significant differences in opinions.  I previously said the possible exception could be Tim Bee, but while you are looking back for ammunition on Laura you will find some on Tim, too. I won’t throw stones at Dave or Jeff that has absolutely nothing to do with my assertion, but if a thread pops up with those names on it you can bet it will have its share of dissenting opinion on the ability of those candidates to be the correct candidate to oppose AND win against Mitchell.    

The issues on this thread had very little to do with her as a candidate, actually if you follow DSW’s advice and check the tax record she is in the same category as Tim Bee, John Huppenthal, both Weiers, and Mark Anderson.  The entire past history of elections won and lost is a mixed bag of changing registration numbers, redistricting, and ugly hit mail pieces that folks with greater voter majorities barely survived.  If losing an election or two disqualifies you to be a leader in the party, or discredits any efforts in the future, then we are in big trouble and Laura is not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point still stands as does my request to name me one candidate that won&#8217;t illicit the same sort of responses. For that matter, any thread with more than a handful of posts that didn’t have some pretty significant differences in opinions.  I previously said the possible exception could be Tim Bee, but while you are looking back for ammunition on Laura you will find some on Tim, too. I won’t throw stones at Dave or Jeff that has absolutely nothing to do with my assertion, but if a thread pops up with those names on it you can bet it will have its share of dissenting opinion on the ability of those candidates to be the correct candidate to oppose AND win against Mitchell.    </p>
<p>The issues on this thread had very little to do with her as a candidate, actually if you follow DSW’s advice and check the tax record she is in the same category as Tim Bee, John Huppenthal, both Weiers, and Mark Anderson.  The entire past history of elections won and lost is a mixed bag of changing registration numbers, redistricting, and ugly hit mail pieces that folks with greater voter majorities barely survived.  If losing an election or two disqualifies you to be a leader in the party, or discredits any efforts in the future, then we are in big trouble and Laura is not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: GOP PK</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8135</link>
		<dc:creator>GOP PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan

Get a grip.  When you stop laughing about something you misinterpreted, think about the fact that UFI is a national organization that does very fine work.  In Arizona it also does good work, but, here, it is in the hands of people who have a history of supporting McCain.  I never said that McCain set up UFI, only that here in AZ the main players are McCainiacs.  That is undeniable - and not funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan</p>
<p>Get a grip.  When you stop laughing about something you misinterpreted, think about the fact that UFI is a national organization that does very fine work.  In Arizona it also does good work, but, here, it is in the hands of people who have a history of supporting McCain.  I never said that McCain set up UFI, only that here in AZ the main players are McCainiacs.  That is undeniable &#8211; and not funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim S.</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8129</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So judge it from the first 25 Ann, or visit previous threads which detail Laura&#039;s ugly and personal attacks on our now State Party Chairman.  Or her inability to even come in second in the last house race behind a guy who was carpetbagging so bad he was staying in a hotel room in the district.  Ten years of incumbency and you can&#039;t finish 2nd?  Not a good resume for a real race where 1st is the only thing that matters.

If you want to win this race, find someone who can bring folks together.  Somebody like Schweikert, Hatch-Miller, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So judge it from the first 25 Ann, or visit previous threads which detail Laura&#8217;s ugly and personal attacks on our now State Party Chairman.  Or her inability to even come in second in the last house race behind a guy who was carpetbagging so bad he was staying in a hotel room in the district.  Ten years of incumbency and you can&#8217;t finish 2nd?  Not a good resume for a real race where 1st is the only thing that matters.</p>
<p>If you want to win this race, find someone who can bring folks together.  Somebody like Schweikert, Hatch-Miller, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: DSW</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-2/#comment-8128</link>
		<dc:creator>DSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that you&#039;ve taken this thread into the &quot;tax weeds,&quot; one can view Laura&#039;s voting record on taxes by visiting the Arizona Federation of Taxpayers website. Voting records for all the legislators are located there. And if you were to choose a candidate based soley on their tax record who lives in the district, Colette Rosati tops the list. (http://aztaxpayers.org/Finalissimo_Chart_2006.pdf)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you&#8217;ve taken this thread into the &#8220;tax weeds,&#8221; one can view Laura&#8217;s voting record on taxes by visiting the Arizona Federation of Taxpayers website. Voting records for all the legislators are located there. And if you were to choose a candidate based soley on their tax record who lives in the district, Colette Rosati tops the list. (<a href="http://aztaxpayers.org/Finalissimo_Chart_2006.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://aztaxpayers.org/Finalissimo_Chart_2006.pdf</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Tim....come on.  About half way thru what is now 50 posts we went deep into the weeds with the tax talk.  With the possible exception of Tim Bee, name me one candidate for any position that would have no discussion.  Isn’t that what we do here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Tim&#8230;.come on.  About half way thru what is now 50 posts we went deep into the weeds with the tax talk.  With the possible exception of Tim Bee, name me one candidate for any position that would have no discussion.  Isn’t that what we do here?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim S.</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8116</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its safe to say, at least judging from this thread, that Laura Knaperek does not unite the party.  Whatever other conclusions you might reach here, that is something that really matters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its safe to say, at least judging from this thread, that Laura Knaperek does not unite the party.  Whatever other conclusions you might reach here, that is something that really matters!</p>
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		<title>By: GOP PK</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8098</link>
		<dc:creator>GOP PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>azslim,

You are almost right - the Primary will be done at least two weeks prior to any tax bills being sent out next year.  

Gerry,

I think that the blogs do have the pulse of what is happening NOW, overall.  That should not be construed to mean that what is said here is an accurate barometer of what the average voter will think a year from now.

As to the Pullen vs establishment issue, these are not exactly average voters.  The importance of those interactions - add in the grass roots activists - is how they work with each other in a united manner during the last 90 days of the election cycle, the amount of money available, and the passion of the activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>azslim,</p>
<p>You are almost right &#8211; the Primary will be done at least two weeks prior to any tax bills being sent out next year.  </p>
<p>Gerry,</p>
<p>I think that the blogs do have the pulse of what is happening NOW, overall.  That should not be construed to mean that what is said here is an accurate barometer of what the average voter will think a year from now.</p>
<p>As to the Pullen vs establishment issue, these are not exactly average voters.  The importance of those interactions &#8211; add in the grass roots activists &#8211; is how they work with each other in a united manner during the last 90 days of the election cycle, the amount of money available, and the passion of the activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8077</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>azslim, thanks for the explanation and while I appreciate it, I understand the tax process.  I was not speaking to the tax bill directly (I have since found an error in the assessment) but to the impact it will have on the connotation of “treasurer” when it comes time to vote.  

According to the county 2007 valuation increases, the majority of central Maricopa County will see a 45% or greater increase.  People will be mad and they will stay mad.  This is not like other tax hikes, this one they recall every month when they make their house payment that increased by a $100 or so.  Next year at this time, it will hit again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>azslim, thanks for the explanation and while I appreciate it, I understand the tax process.  I was not speaking to the tax bill directly (I have since found an error in the assessment) but to the impact it will have on the connotation of “treasurer” when it comes time to vote.  </p>
<p>According to the county 2007 valuation increases, the majority of central Maricopa County will see a 45% or greater increase.  People will be mad and they will stay mad.  This is not like other tax hikes, this one they recall every month when they make their house payment that increased by a $100 or so.  Next year at this time, it will hit again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8075</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I guess your analysis is right.  After all, I seem to recall every four years angry taxpayers ignoring their local officials who raised their taxes and coming straight at all of the county treasurers in Arizona who collect them.  That&#039;s why they continue to raise taxes because they know that the stupid taxpayers will blame the treasurer for it. Right? Do you really have so little faith in the intelligence of the average citizen? Do you think they don&#039;t know who is responsible for their taxes? Do the majority of Arizonans have trouble reading? I guess in your world they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I guess your analysis is right.  After all, I seem to recall every four years angry taxpayers ignoring their local officials who raised their taxes and coming straight at all of the county treasurers in Arizona who collect them.  That&#8217;s why they continue to raise taxes because they know that the stupid taxpayers will blame the treasurer for it. Right? Do you really have so little faith in the intelligence of the average citizen? Do you think they don&#8217;t know who is responsible for their taxes? Do the majority of Arizonans have trouble reading? I guess in your world they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8073</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip- you are misinterpreting me!  Read to comment # 3: and GOP PK&#039;s site!  I just thought that was ridiculously hilarious- I&#039;m still laughing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip- you are misinterpreting me!  Read to comment # 3: and GOP PK&#8217;s site!  I just thought that was ridiculously hilarious- I&#8217;m still laughing!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Mander</title>
		<link>http://sonoranalliance.com/2007/09/19/laura-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8072</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In #36, GOP PK writes, &quot;..the average voter doesn’t even know what happened a week prior to the vote and many times they do not even seem to know their own name.&quot;

I find it ironic that this point is being made now regarding Mr. Schweikert, the candidate PK supports.

This blog is all inside baseball all the time(the neverending talk of Pullen vs. the establishment), yet most posters on here think any and all of the analysis has the pulse of the average voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In #36, GOP PK writes, &#8220;..the average voter doesn’t even know what happened a week prior to the vote and many times they do not even seem to know their own name.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it ironic that this point is being made now regarding Mr. Schweikert, the candidate PK supports.</p>
<p>This blog is all inside baseball all the time(the neverending talk of Pullen vs. the establishment), yet most posters on here think any and all of the analysis has the pulse of the average voter.</p>
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