Please remember that sometimes others feel very strongly and grounded in truth in areas where you might not be.

That goes to my reference to Job’s friends. They were convinced that Job was wrong, and beat him up instead of helping him in the place he was.

The State Party and County EGC should not be beaten up in public by those who are interested in seeing the Party advance and be successful. If you disagree with something they are doing, go in and confront them on the issue then work to make it better. I have passionately done so.

The people who criticize them for their financial decisions, for example, will not even admit that they took in twice twice as much and spent one fourth as much in May as the preceding administration during the same time period two years ago. (a net plus 46K versus a net minus 80K)

That is good financial management, yet people, some of whom were used to being at the trough for personal gain(and I am not putting you in that group), continued to say that the Party could not be trusted with our contributions.

If that suggestion is fully implemented, it will only serve to make sure that we all get the result we say we do not want – additional Democrat gains.

I saw the same dymanics play out about fifteen years ago, when the goal of the establishment was to retake control of the Party, even if it meant election losses and major damage to the vitality of the Party. Some of the people who played the cards of division, dissention and distrust then are the same people playing the same cards now.

None of the grass roots leaders have a personal financial interest in who the leader is, while most of the establishment people do. It might be helpful to look at that when determining the underlying cause of some of the statements.

Times change. Generally speaking, people don’t.

Having been called a friend of Job, you will get my point if I choose to refrain; reference Eph 5.

I will however “hold fast” when it is a subject about which I feel very strongly and grounded in truth.

Vigorous debate, some of what you might find offensive, has been common in the political arena, whether in the courthouse square, Independence Hall, on the campaign trail, at national conventions, or the Internet.

Oh I’m here. But, I’m sorry friend, I have no desire to use my time to join in the middle of any debate that has posts with lines like “Mr. I don’t even know what I’m talking about” or “Mr. I wasn’t even there”…. As I’ve said before, I raised 4 teenagers so I really don’t need any more junior high drama than I’ve already lived thru.

Unfortunately, it seems this is what we have come to. I could opine as to why, but that would only lead to more of the same. And quite honestly, I am more concerned about the obvious relaity that this is symptomatic of what we have become in this state than in proving my position.

The inability to disagree without being disagreeable is not flattering and certainly not the way to lead and maintain a majority.

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ ’don’t blame me’
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

This thread died when you were pointin your fingers at others without facts and W challenged your statements and you refused to either admit you were wrong or refute his info. Seems like the facts shot down your whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit. So, get over it.

So tell us folks, since you’re “citing” it… Where is the famous quote “Get Over It” from that makes it famous? I’m trying to remember if it came from some speech or pop culture reference from a show or movie? But I’m drawing a blank… Is it just a saying, or is it actually a famous quote?

Now exactly a major item, but this thread died a bunch of posts ago anyway! lol…

First the duly elected a Chairman who was not designated by our US Senators and their bag men, then the duly elected County EGC will not bow down to the same power brokers.

Then we have bloggers whose allegiance is to the smoke-filled back room Wizards writing sycophantic proclamations of doom and gloom in every blog site possible.

Is this a surprise? Hardly. It always happens when those who believe they rule by divine right are removed by vote of the people.

To cite a famous quote, GET OVER IT!

Just to make it easier for you to get support without any input of facts, I’ll sign off for the day. You and Tim and Party Guy can tell each other how right you are. Have fun.

The rest of your screed is just your style of bludgeoning everyone to death with repeated assertions, over and over again until everyone gets bored of listening to you and goes home.

You’re like a thread killer… When the argument stops, just know that it isn’t because you convinced everyone, or even anyone, its just that we got tired of writing about it with you.

In the first place, Tim’s quote was “stupid for the County folks to do.” He did not say the Chairman. If you want to correct someone, refer to the source document.

Second, the Chairman did not make a decision to table the resolution, it was a motion from the floor and, again, following parliamentary procedure, the Chairman had no other choice than to allow a vote on the motion to table. As to your statement that the EGC should have made a decision, the tabling of the resolution, it WAS a decision. They decided to not support the resolution and by not tabling it to a time certain, it, in effect, was killed and cannot be brought off the table without a majority vote of the members. A DECISION WAS MADE!!!

The debate with members of the press in the building would have only increased the headlines and the overwhelming majority of the body felt that tabling the resolution with no intent to ever bring it off the table reduced the negative effects. In fact, you will note that the Repugmant did not have a followup story on the “divisive” argument in the EGC as a way to further give the impression to the public that the Party was in a Hatfield-McCoy type of situation.

In fact, here is the only place where there was an increase of the hyperbole which wasn’t necessary if everyone had sought information instead of calling people stupid and unable to make decisions.

If you want a confrontation on the issue, we should follow Tim’s preferred course of action, however, the EGC chose not to create that in their meeting. Sounds like good strategy – for those who understand the underlying reasons for doing so.

Lastly, if you will take careful notice, I never accused Pullen of attacking anyone, I did say that Matt Benson printed that assertion. In addition, look through the previous posts and see if you can identify any attacks on Goldwater by some of the posters. Please put the complaints in context.

The only thing that linked Pullen with Goldwater was the last statement that Pullen could take a lesson of meeting with his supporters and getting their input before taking a position he knew was against the wishes of an overwhelming majority of those who voted for his election only a few months ago.

DSW: Discussion is not always cordial, but I did not see anything vulgar. If you moderated a post that had vulgar input, I was not aware of it.

I thought that was how party committees took positons on things. These things were introduced, debated, then voted on. Of course no debate was even allowed on this one because they wouldn’t allow it.

See? No debate allowed? Crying while attacking? Sounds like the left, not the right…

There were also personal attacks about Goldwater who is not even a voting member of the EGC and is merely carrying a message from his Executive Committee on their feelings about continuing the Initiative due to the statements of Janet NO, Magruder, Sproul, the Wake Up Arizona group and the historical facts about the actions of the legislature in similar situations. Seems like Goldwater should be recognized as having serious integrity for staying the course and representing the group position, which is something Pullen could learn a lesson.

As the Benson article stated in one of its few clear and accurate moments, Pullen and his people decided to attack the very people who voted him into office in order to gain some type of personal benefit from his enemies.

I am told he did the same thing when first elected as National Committeeman and had to be confronted about the situation as to where his loyalties were. It seems like another trip to the woodshed is in order.

The Party will do nothing but alienate part of its base if it takes ANY official position on the initiative at this point. It made a statement in January by all its State Committeemen and the Chairman should not be taking a position in direct opposition to that position. Even the Executive Committee should not act to override the vote of the members.

Again, the only reason Pullen is Chairman is his previous position on the Initiative which was the opposite of his opponent. He needs to remember that.

Tim, I’m sorry that our conversation took the turn it did. My poor justification is you started it, but that does not validate my participation. I will try to keep the level a little higher in the future regardless of your input.