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That alone is reason NOT to support him.

RINOS are ruining the Republican Party. If things continue the way they have been right now, there is no chance the Republicans will win the next Presidential election. The base proved last year that THEY WILL stay home.

> Horst also defends a teenage nudist camp.
> Sorry, but parents who let there children
> go to be naked with other raging hormone
> teenagers have something loose in their
> brain.

Hey, Buddy, have you ever been to Shangri La Ranch? Have you observed SLR’s Kids Camp for hours (or days) at a time? Have you talked to the organizers? To the chaperones? Have you talked to the kids? If you haven’t, you know not of what you speak. You really ought to keep your fantasies of teen sex to yourself.

Buddy, I suspect you were trained from birth to go ape at the mere glimpse of an ankle. That was the Victorian way. In later generations, ankles became ho-hum; textiles were trained to react to other visual triggers. Nevertheless, if you’ve been to a beach anytime in the last 50 years, you’d know that folks of all ages — including teens — manage to keep their cool when 90% of their own and others’ body is visible. Yet, inexplicably, you insist that nudist kids are bound to go ape at the mere sight of the remaining 10%.

Let me assure you, nudist kids raised nude in nudist homes and among large numbers of nude nudists of all ages at nudist places, do not react to nudity as you were trained to do. In spite of what you were taught to believe, nudity does NOT equate to sex.

You’d know the truth of what I say if you’d ever tested your prejudices by going to nudist places.

> Horst, if I remember the the story
> correctly, also was complimentary of
> Hitler. He told the reporter that Hitler
> had the right approach to homosexuals by
> sending them to concentration camps.

Hmmmm. You admit you’re repeating gossip, and you aren’t even sure you remember the gossip correctly. Yet you still repeat it. My oh my oh my!

Fact: Horst owns Shangri La Ranch. Horst sets the policies. Horst sets the tone. Shangri La Ranch does not discriminate against homosexuals by policy or in practice. I live there. I’m there now. I know.

Buddy, I’ll take personal observation over half-remembered gossip any time. I think you should too. That’s the ethical way, the American way. Please help make it the Republican way!

Frank Wells

Horst VOLUNTEERED to testify. There was no supeona. He went to defend the child molester.

The story referenced in this blog even reported that Horst was still critical of the child and defended the pervert four years after the bum was convicted.

Horst also defends a teenage nudist camp. Sorry, but parents who let there children go to be naked with other raging hormone teenagers have something loose in their brain.

Horst, if I remember the the story correctly, also was complimentary of Hitler. He told the reporter that Hitler had the right approach to homosexuals by sending them to concentration camps.

Horst did not have to lie under oath. He did HAVE to testify at all. He did so willingly and voluntarily. He did it because he believed the pervert and thought the child was a “homo”. That was Horst’s word in the paper.

If the Republicans elect Horst to state office I will be ashamed to be a Republican.

> The bare bones fact of the case is that
> Horst Kraus testified as a character
> witness for a previously convicted
> pedophile in a child molestation case.

And you, in Horst’s shoes, would have fled to Iran or somewwhere to avoid telling the truth as you knew it? Or perhaps you would have stuck around and then lied under oath?

Horst is by far the better American, and the better Republican.

Frank Wells

This has nothing to do with developers or nudism. The defendant, Thompson, is serving two life terms for his heinous acts against children.

I’ve known Horst Kraus for six years. I’m a member of Shangri La Ranch. My wife and I live on the premises for several months each year. I’m far better qualified to comment on Horst and on Shangri La Ranch than Chuck Jones and the others who’ve had their nasty, destructive say.

Shangri La Ranch is an absolutely legal and thoroughly moral business operated by Horst and four other members of his family. SLR caters to permanent residents, snow birds, short term visitors, and the many locals who come to spend the day. Quite simply, the Kraus family is in the hospitality business. Their facility differs from thousands of others in only two respects. First, it’s cleaner, better run, and better equipped than most. Second, at SLR, each individual is accorded the personal freedom to decide what, if anything, to wear. I can’t imagine why Chuck Jones (or anyone else) would object to that. After all, Republicans value individual freedoms. Or so I’ve always thought.

SLR’s annual summer camp — for nudist kids from nudist families — is well attended and very well run. It’s earned an impeccable reputation. I can’t imagine why Chuck Jones (or anyone else) would object to it, but Jones apparently does. Is Jones also appalled that members of minority religious groups send their kids to sectarian camps which support their religious views? Does Jones really believe in the right of parents to guide their children’s development? Is Jones truly a freedom loving American Republican? Or is he one of those freedom-hating, bluenosed Republican bigots the liberals keep telling us about?

In addition to its general nastiness, Chuck Jones’ article is replete with factual errors. For example, Jones claims “growing outrage” but fails to document an iota of it. Instead, he seems intent on creating outrage, and on doing so by fudging facts.

As I understand the circumstances of Horst Kraus’ testimony in the Thompson case, Horst testified under subpoena. That is, he was forced to testify. On the stand, Horst truthfully recounted his observations. Would Jones have had him lie under oath?

But if, as Jones claims, Horst did testify voluntarily, nothing changes. Horst is an American, and proud to be one. He takes his duties of citizenship seriously. Would Jones have wanted Horst to refuse to tell what he knew just because the defendant was accused of a heinous crime?

Jones concludes his screed by saying, “The jury disagreed with Horst Kraus.” In fact, the reverse is the case. Horst Kraus testified that Thompson was guilty. The jury agreed. Read carefully. Jones himself quotes Horst as saying, “Thompson never fell out of line with any OTHER child.”

The whole Thompson case comes down to this. 1. A pedophile lived at Shangri La Ranch during part of Horst’s first year as owner. So? Would Chuck Jones blame Del Webb if a pedophile were discovered living at a Del Webb development? 2. A child was molested. Would Chuck Jones hold Del Webb responsible if that had occurred at a Del Webb site? 3. Horst testified at trial, and told what he’d observed. Does Chuck Jones object to that?

The entire article, posted by Chuck Jones, is a substance-free hatchet job which reflects poorly on no one but Chuck Jones himself. The garbage spewed forth by most other posters reflects only on them.

It all sounds like Republicans engaging in vicious warfare against their own, and to their own detriment. Nothing new about that! Ronald Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment has once again been forgotten. Nothing new about that, either.

Electing Horst Kraus would demonstrate that Republicans no longer buy into scurrilous attacks on each other. Electing the owner of a nudist resort would indicate that Reagan’s “Big Tent” is alive and well.

As for the longer term effect, remember that Arizona has far more than its share of nudist voters, and that nudists do vote.

Lord knows, if we nudists were in the majority, we wouldn’t treat you as so many of you treat us. We’d do unto the clothes-constricted as we wish the cloth-addicted had done unto us.

Have a nice day.

The other reason that accepted an invitation to an event with Horst is that I too was running for office in the same district election and in some chance that he would have won I didn’t wish to decline an invation and start a working relationship on a bumpy road.

2. Lowering a standard, doesn’t make it substandard and wouldn’t make it something that a P&Z commissioner should be knocking down a zoning request for. I think you are drawing a lot of inferences. What if the developers decided they wanted to use lineoleum instead of tile or less mature landscaping, that’s not substandard, it’s a lower standard. Read the quote — Mr. Lee wants to set the market.

3. I fully understand the duties of planning and zoning boards and appreciate the work that people put into these volunteer positions. They need to adhere to the rules, not make their personal judgement part of the process (sort of like an activist judge…)

Covering for a pedophile? Yup, that I’m caring about… Anyone else?

And upon reflection, Horst attacking the kids credibility because he latched onto “another single man” after the first one was gone seems to ignore the mountain of evidence that shows victims of abuse routinely subjecting themselves to more. Young men who are molested at early ages find themselves seeking out harmful relationships as do victims of physical violence, etc.

This is going to be a real problem for our Party if Kraus wins. Let’s stay focused on the problem before us.

And Horst, I’m sure you’re monitoring this thread. If you care about this Party, you will withdraw from this race and not subject the Party to the nasty and negative attention that your prominence will bring us. You may very well be right about everything, but you must recognize your own radioactivity and accept that as a price of the lifestyle you have chosen to live and promote. Please don’t make us pay the price for it.