Wed 24 Jan 2007
As state committeemen voting for GOP officers at the statutory meeting this Saturday, we should give a good long look at the seemingly inconsequential treasurer’s post. The two candidates are Horst Kraus and Timothy Lee, who runs a property management firm in Casa Grande.
There is a growing outrage that Kraus, owner of a clothing optional resort , is being considered to serve as one of the elected party officers. Just two years ago, it came to the public’s attention that Mr. Kraus not only operated a children’s nudist camp at his Shangril-La ranch, but also voluntarily testified as a character witness for a previously convicted child molester in a case involving a resident at his facility.
In an article titled, Trouble in Paradise, (Sonoran News, November 2004) Mr. Kraus is quoted as complimenting the pedophile and maligning the child victim:
While Kraus complained about the timeliness of raising Thompson’s crimes, the Arizona State Supreme Court just ruled on Oct. 26 against a petition from Thompson for post-conviction relief on grounds of inadequate attorney support and vague constitutional issues that had already been rejected by appeal courts. Thompson will continue to serve his life sentences.
Thompson was a resident at Shangri-La when he befriended a young boy whose mother had moved into the camp with her live-in boyfriend. In 1997, Thompson, according to the verdict of a jury in two separate trials, molested the child in the pool of the nudist camp and again during an outing to Lake Pleasant. During the investigation, it was determined that Thompson had been convicted in Maricopa County Superior Court of molesting two other young boys in 1982. In his retrial on the Shangri-La offenses, the second jury took less than four hours to reach a unanimous verdict of guilty and Thompson was sentenced to life in prison on two counts.
While Kraus wrote that he testified during the appeals portion of Thompson’s trial, he actually was a witness for the defense during the retrial who testified, according to court insiders and Kraus himself, about the character of the defendant and the lack of truthfulness of the child victim. Even after the convictions and the early revelations of prior offenses, Kraus told this reporter, “It’s suspicious to me that no sooner Owen was gone and the child latched onto another single man.” He said that the child later charged the second man with molestation, but it was never taken to police as the alleged perpetrator left town immediately.Thompson, on the other hand, had praise from Kraus. “He was a model tenant,” said the nudist camp owner. “Thompson never fell out of line with any other child.”
The juries disagreed with Horst Kraus. The perpetrator is currently serving two life terms for his abominable acts.
January 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
How much did the Democrats pay this guy to run for Republican Party Leadership
January 24th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
And I got beat up (and edited) for saying what a pervert Horst Kraus is!? Now we find out that Kraus not only housed a child molester in his nudie camp, but that child molester actually molested a young boy in Horst Kraus’s pool. And THEN Kraus went on to testify ON BEHALF OF the child molester as a “character” witness. What a sick puppy. You Republicans who keep defending this sick SOB should be ashamed of yourselves.
January 24th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
I juat googled Horst Kraus and the following article from CNN featuring a disgusted Mark Foley back in 2003
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0306/20/se.18.html
January 24th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Just brought in today’s mail and lo, and behold, there is a letter from Horst Kraus.
He used the two-sided missive to give an overview of his qualifications and his Republican credentials.
Although Kraus describes himself as a “successful entrepreneur,” he omits his nudist ranch from the list of his holdings. He says he “owns and operates Kraus Investments, LC, among a number of other real estate holdings and Shangri-La Water Works a licensed private water utility, and Shangri-La WWTP a private waste water plant and EPAK & Associates Inc.a lese hold and financial services corporation.”
Kraus also states that he, “enjoys working with people and ideas that are beneficial to the common good.”
Guess his nudist ranch http://www.shangrilaranch.com/ must have slipped his mind.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hey Smart Voter….I’ve got you beat!
I just brought in my mail, and there was a letter addressed to me from the ” Friends of Lisa James.” Among the names of supporters she proudly displays, are none other than Horst and Gigi Kraus.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
I hope we don’t look too deeply into the potential conflict of interest of Timothy Lee and his property management firm and his role on the Planning Commission in Casa Grande (where he was the lone dissenting vote on a request to build “affordable housing”). Sounds like a free-market Republican to me….
Maybe we could look elsewhere for a Treasurer?
“‘So this is going to be sort of like an apartment on steroids, right?’ asked commission Chairman Timothy Lee. ‘Because 954 square feet is an apartment, and the apartments right across the way there go all the way up to about 1,200 square feet.’”
“For Ryland Homes, it’s a matter of competition and a glut of new homes on the market in the same category as originally proposed for Carlton Commons. ‘The original square footages are very saturated in the market, according to our research. This would create an opportunity to move into a home,’ the spokesman said.”
“Other areas of town have empty homes in the higher ranges that aren’t being sold, Commission member Tina Cramp said, ’so I’m really hoping that you strongly look at that. I think that these will go very well in what we’re looking to accomplish as far as affordable, as long they are affordable according to Casa Grande standards,’ said Cramp.”
“‘Affordable housing isn’t $100,000 for the average family of four. It is not affordable, and so I’m not going to sit here and allow developers to tell me that this is affordable housing when they skinny something up, and then tell us that they’ve downgrading the materials and now we’re talking about affordable housing at $150,000. That’s ridiculous; it’s just simply ridiculous,’ Chairman Lee added, ‘Affordable to me is when Del Webb is giving $110,000 off a house in Phoenix. That’s affordable.’”
January 25th, 2007 at 1:50 am
I believe that anyone can be nominated from the floor during the meeting.
January 25th, 2007 at 3:14 am
You all really don’t get it, do you? I mean, you can’t see for yourselves what the Republican Party has become. Remarkable.
January 25th, 2007 at 4:23 am
We know what we don’t want – a party of Mark Foleys and creepy individuals who give liberals and our political foes ammunition to use against us.
January 25th, 2007 at 4:37 am
This is not what the Republican party has become, Randall.
Horst Kraus is, thankfully, an aberration.
It is incumbent upon us to ensure such a person is not elected.
Simple as that.
January 25th, 2007 at 6:22 am
Walter,
Because of your attempt to sully Mr. Lee’s reputation we went to the Arizona Department of Real Estate and looked up Timothy. He has been licensed to sell real estate since 1997. His profile says that he has no disciplinary actions and no open complaints. A 10-year record and no violations or complaints. Looks good to me.
By the way some people believe that housing is still an issue that is best solved by the free-market.
January 25th, 2007 at 6:41 am
Yup… I’m totally bugged by Horst Kraus now… Is anyone going to make sure that the delegates have this information?
January 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
OVD, free-market was the point of my post. What business is it of Timothy Lee in his role as chairman of a governmental entity to determine what is “affordable” and then to take a developer to task for deciding what will sell in the market. It’s the developer who is taking the risk of capital.
And I’m not sure how posting a quote from a newspaper article is “sullying” someone’s reputuation.
If I wanted to sully his reputation, I’d make some jaded jump of logic involving his support of the Am. Cancer Society, but I leave that to the fine creators of this site.
January 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Walter,
By its very definition and function a planning and zoning commission is a restriction on the free market. They seem to be popular with communities so that they can establish some sort of standards for development. I think the key part of the article that you failed to mention was “using cheaper materials would bring the homes into … an affordable range.” I can see how someone on a board set up to have minimum development standards for a community would not want sub-standard housing.
You may be against planning and zoning commissions and you may be disappointed that Timothy has given his time to be a member of the commission but his vote can be easily backed up by reason and logic.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17685141&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6
January 25th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Besides his business, Horst Kraus is a a Clancy Jayne lacky. Horst was treasurer for Clancy Jayne’a campaign. So if you want a McCain and Clancy Jayne lover as treasuer, he’s the guy to vote for. Or for the ones who were at the county meeting he’s also bestfriends with Bev Cuthberson.
January 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Funny how you, Jaime Seel, accepted Horst Kraus’ invitation to attend the Sen. Jon Kyl Coffee Cup in 2005? (There are photos of this if anyone wants) You also sat his table at the John Shadegg Breakfast that same year as his guest. Your a hypocrite!
January 25th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Next time a conservative bully starts up some claptrap about liberal “political correctness”, it will be sufficient to offer up this thread as a rebuttal.
January 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
LD-6 PC, do the facts that Horst Kraus is a Clancy Jayne lacky or that Kraus was treasurer for Clancy Jayne’s campaign or that he is fast friends with Bev Cuthberson change because Jamie sat at his table?
Kraus has a history of trying to buy people,evidently it didn’t work with Jamie.
January 25th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
No Susan is just shows how hypocritical some are who attack Mr. Kraus. If he is so bad, why did Mrs. Seel accept his invitation in the first place? Mr. Kraus has never attempted to buy anyone. He only tried to get more people involved in the Republican events that not everyone can afford to attend. Bev Cuthbertson, the former LD-6 Chairman has done more for the Republican Party in Arizona in her more than 40 years of volunteering than most. What have you done Susan?
January 25th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Ld6 PC, Susan says HOG WASH! We have all been active and contribute what we can to our party in time and money. The issues are the FACTS regarding Horst Kraus. Also I just don’t believe Kraus is just trying to be nice to the less fortunate without expecting something in return.
By the way are you a PC Jeff?
January 25th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
PC this, PC that… Not really caring about that stuff…
Covering for a pedophile? Yup, that I’m caring about… Anyone else?
And upon reflection, Horst attacking the kids credibility because he latched onto “another single man” after the first one was gone seems to ignore the mountain of evidence that shows victims of abuse routinely subjecting themselves to more. Young men who are molested at early ages find themselves seeking out harmful relationships as do victims of physical violence, etc.
This is going to be a real problem for our Party if Kraus wins. Let’s stay focused on the problem before us.
And Horst, I’m sure you’re monitoring this thread. If you care about this Party, you will withdraw from this race and not subject the Party to the nasty and negative attention that your prominence will bring us. You may very well be right about everything, but you must recognize your own radioactivity and accept that as a price of the lifestyle you have chosen to live and promote. Please don’t make us pay the price for it.
January 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
OVD, 1. I most certainly did include Mr. Lee’s quote that the developer was lowering the standard.
2. Lowering a standard, doesn’t make it substandard and wouldn’t make it something that a P&Z commissioner should be knocking down a zoning request for. I think you are drawing a lot of inferences. What if the developers decided they wanted to use lineoleum instead of tile or less mature landscaping, that’s not substandard, it’s a lower standard. Read the quote — Mr. Lee wants to set the market.
3. I fully understand the duties of planning and zoning boards and appreciate the work that people put into these volunteer positions. They need to adhere to the rules, not make their personal judgement part of the process (sort of like an activist judge…)
January 26th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Yes, I went with Horst to a Kyl breakfast. I don’t believe Horst is a bad person. I just don’t believe in his politics. He works hard for what he believes in. I stand up for what I believe and put my name on things. Horst is a good volunteer, but I don’t believe he is what this party wants or needs in leadership.
January 26th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
I believe Sean Hannity says it best ” I have liberals as friends, I just don’t want them in power.”
The other reason that accepted an invitation to an event with Horst is that I too was running for office in the same district election and in some chance that he would have won I didn’t wish to decline an invation and start a working relationship on a bumpy road.
January 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
I’m Frank Wells, a resident of Oregon. Unlike many posters to this thread, I’m not afraid to use my name. My wife and I live in Arizona four or five months per year. Like at least ten million other Americans, we’re nudists. A whole lot of nudists are permanent residents of Arizona. Nudists vote.
I’ve known Horst Kraus for six years. I’m a member of Shangri La Ranch. My wife and I live on the premises for several months each year. I’m far better qualified to comment on Horst and on Shangri La Ranch than Chuck Jones and the others who’ve had their nasty, destructive say.
Shangri La Ranch is an absolutely legal and thoroughly moral business operated by Horst and four other members of his family. SLR caters to permanent residents, snow birds, short term visitors, and the many locals who come to spend the day. Quite simply, the Kraus family is in the hospitality business. Their facility differs from thousands of others in only two respects. First, it’s cleaner, better run, and better equipped than most. Second, at SLR, each individual is accorded the personal freedom to decide what, if anything, to wear. I can’t imagine why Chuck Jones (or anyone else) would object to that. After all, Republicans value individual freedoms. Or so I’ve always thought.
SLR’s annual summer camp — for nudist kids from nudist families — is well attended and very well run. It’s earned an impeccable reputation. I can’t imagine why Chuck Jones (or anyone else) would object to it, but Jones apparently does. Is Jones also appalled that members of minority religious groups send their kids to sectarian camps which support their religious views? Does Jones really believe in the right of parents to guide their children’s development? Is Jones truly a freedom loving American Republican? Or is he one of those freedom-hating, bluenosed Republican bigots the liberals keep telling us about?
In addition to its general nastiness, Chuck Jones’ article is replete with factual errors. For example, Jones claims “growing outrage” but fails to document an iota of it. Instead, he seems intent on creating outrage, and on doing so by fudging facts.
As I understand the circumstances of Horst Kraus’ testimony in the Thompson case, Horst testified under subpoena. That is, he was forced to testify. On the stand, Horst truthfully recounted his observations. Would Jones have had him lie under oath?
But if, as Jones claims, Horst did testify voluntarily, nothing changes. Horst is an American, and proud to be one. He takes his duties of citizenship seriously. Would Jones have wanted Horst to refuse to tell what he knew just because the defendant was accused of a heinous crime?
Jones concludes his screed by saying, “The jury disagreed with Horst Kraus.” In fact, the reverse is the case. Horst Kraus testified that Thompson was guilty. The jury agreed. Read carefully. Jones himself quotes Horst as saying, “Thompson never fell out of line with any OTHER child.”
The whole Thompson case comes down to this. 1. A pedophile lived at Shangri La Ranch during part of Horst’s first year as owner. So? Would Chuck Jones blame Del Webb if a pedophile were discovered living at a Del Webb development? 2. A child was molested. Would Chuck Jones hold Del Webb responsible if that had occurred at a Del Webb site? 3. Horst testified at trial, and told what he’d observed. Does Chuck Jones object to that?
The entire article, posted by Chuck Jones, is a substance-free hatchet job which reflects poorly on no one but Chuck Jones himself. The garbage spewed forth by most other posters reflects only on them.
It all sounds like Republicans engaging in vicious warfare against their own, and to their own detriment. Nothing new about that! Ronald Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment has once again been forgotten. Nothing new about that, either.
Electing Horst Kraus would demonstrate that Republicans no longer buy into scurrilous attacks on each other. Electing the owner of a nudist resort would indicate that Reagan’s “Big Tent” is alive and well.
As for the longer term effect, remember that Arizona has far more than its share of nudist voters, and that nudists do vote.
Lord knows, if we nudists were in the majority, we wouldn’t treat you as so many of you treat us. We’d do unto the clothes-constricted as we wish the cloth-addicted had done unto us.
Have a nice day.
January 27th, 2007 at 12:25 am
The bare bones fact of the case is that Horst Kraus testified as a character witness for a previously convicted pedophile in a child molestation case. Thompson was then convicted in the case in which Kraus testified on his behalf.
This has nothing to do with developers or nudism. The defendant, Thompson, is serving two life terms for his heinous acts against children.
January 27th, 2007 at 2:41 am
Chuck Jones Says:
> The bare bones fact of the case is that
> Horst Kraus testified as a character
> witness for a previously convicted
> pedophile in a child molestation case.
And you, in Horst’s shoes, would have fled to Iran or somewwhere to avoid telling the truth as you knew it? Or perhaps you would have stuck around and then lied under oath?
Horst is by far the better American, and the better Republican.
Frank Wells
January 27th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
You defenders of Horst are so wrong!
Horst VOLUNTEERED to testify. There was no supeona. He went to defend the child molester.
The story referenced in this blog even reported that Horst was still critical of the child and defended the pervert four years after the bum was convicted.
Horst also defends a teenage nudist camp. Sorry, but parents who let there children go to be naked with other raging hormone teenagers have something loose in their brain.
Horst, if I remember the the story correctly, also was complimentary of Hitler. He told the reporter that Hitler had the right approach to homosexuals by sending them to concentration camps.
Horst did not have to lie under oath. He did HAVE to testify at all. He did so willingly and voluntarily. He did it because he believed the pervert and thought the child was a “homo”. That was Horst’s word in the paper.
If the Republicans elect Horst to state office I will be ashamed to be a Republican.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
It’s time to set the record straight on this once and for all. Horst Kraus did NOT testify as a character witness for the defendant. In fact, it was Mr. Kraus who called the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Dept when the mother told him about the defendant’s improper actions towards her son at Lake Pleasant. That so called ‘article’ in 2004, written by Alan Richardson, a Distict 6 PC and at the time an employee of the State Senate, is full of blatent lies and slander. The article, published 3 days prior to the District 6 election in which Mr. Kraus was running for Chairman (he lost by 3 votes) is now being used to derail his campaign for Treasurer. Now this ‘article’ has been published on this Blog, and may be subjuect to legal action.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Buddy Breon Says in part:
> Horst also defends a teenage nudist camp.
> Sorry, but parents who let there children
> go to be naked with other raging hormone
> teenagers have something loose in their
> brain.
Hey, Buddy, have you ever been to Shangri La Ranch? Have you observed SLR’s Kids Camp for hours (or days) at a time? Have you talked to the organizers? To the chaperones? Have you talked to the kids? If you haven’t, you know not of what you speak. You really ought to keep your fantasies of teen sex to yourself.
Buddy, I suspect you were trained from birth to go ape at the mere glimpse of an ankle. That was the Victorian way. In later generations, ankles became ho-hum; textiles were trained to react to other visual triggers. Nevertheless, if you’ve been to a beach anytime in the last 50 years, you’d know that folks of all ages — including teens — manage to keep their cool when 90% of their own and others’ body is visible. Yet, inexplicably, you insist that nudist kids are bound to go ape at the mere sight of the remaining 10%.
Let me assure you, nudist kids raised nude in nudist homes and among large numbers of nude nudists of all ages at nudist places, do not react to nudity as you were trained to do. In spite of what you were taught to believe, nudity does NOT equate to sex.
You’d know the truth of what I say if you’d ever tested your prejudices by going to nudist places.
> Horst, if I remember the the story
> correctly, also was complimentary of
> Hitler. He told the reporter that Hitler
> had the right approach to homosexuals by
> sending them to concentration camps.
Hmmmm. You admit you’re repeating gossip, and you aren’t even sure you remember the gossip correctly. Yet you still repeat it. My oh my oh my!
Fact: Horst owns Shangri La Ranch. Horst sets the policies. Horst sets the tone. Shangri La Ranch does not discriminate against homosexuals by policy or in practice. I live there. I’m there now. I know.
Buddy, I’ll take personal observation over half-remembered gossip any time. I think you should too. That’s the ethical way, the American way. Please help make it the Republican way!
Frank Wells
January 29th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Horst doesn’t discriminate against Homosexuals?
That alone is reason NOT to support him.
RINOS are ruining the Republican Party. If things continue the way they have been right now, there is no chance the Republicans will win the next Presidential election. The base proved last year that THEY WILL stay home.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:27 am
“Children raised nudist often leave the camps and reject nudism as adults.”
“Many men who have been nudists for many years are voyeurs and sexual exploiters and that is why they are nudists for photos and access to women and children.”
“Nudist denial and apology for sex offenders by owners and operators of nudist camps is common.” This information was obtained from NUDIST HALL OF SHAME on http://www.nudisthallofshame.info.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
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